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Language name is _Kusaal_
In 2013 this entry was moved from _Kusaal language_ to _Kusali language_.
The people are called _Kusasi_, the language name is Kusaal.
http://www.ethnologue.com/language/kus
Not sure if this is helpful.
Other comments — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
41.189.161.32 (
talk) 13:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Good to see that someone knowledgeable has been reworking my stub article on Kusaal!
(I think possibly I can guess who? if I've guessed right, thankyou for the Fulani goat cheese ... and the IT terms in Mampruli ... and the loan of Manessy's book ...)
The original stub was largely based on my own (unpublished) work from when I lived in Bawku in the 1990's. Unfortunately I am not a professional linguist and could not do justice to this beautiful and fascinating language.
M pu'us ya bedugo.
For what it's worth (not much, given your expertise and my amateur status) I disagree with your analysis of inflecting verbs as having five forms:
(a) the "irrealis" -in(e) is, I would say, an enclitic particle -n(e), the -i being the reduced final vowel of the preceding word (cf object pronouns). It can follow the imperfective -d(a) flexional form as well as the perfective. It can also follow the otherwise uninflecting stative-type verbs. The tonal behaviour supports this analysis too.
(b) I'd say the "gerund" formation belongs to derivation rather than flexion, but YMMV.
86.128.167.211 ( talk) 22:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Another point re the palatalised velars of Mampruli and Dagbani: I think Kusaal and Moore in fact preserve the original pattern, and the palatalisation in the former two languages was occasioned by originally following front vowels. This is concealed by e.g. the fact that short 'e' has consistently shifted to 'a' in closed syllables in Mampruli and Dagbani:
cf Kusaal keng(e) 'go' with Dagbani changi and many similar.
There is a separate series of palatal stops in more distantly related Gur languages like Gurmanche but the the corresponding reflexes in cognates in "Western Oti-Volta" are just s, z.
cf Kusaal saan(a) Dagbani sana "guest, stranger" with Gurmanche caano id.
Manassy's account of all this in his (generally wonderful) book on the Oti-volta languages is completely off the mark; he ends up setting up three series in the protolanguage because he doesn't recognise the secondary nature of the palatals in Mampruli and Dagbani, and distinguishing dentals, alveolars and palatals in a threefold system found in none of the extant languages along with some extremely implausible phonetic changes to give the modern forms.
As the initial comment above shows, someone moved this article back and forth between Kusaal and Kusasi. As I write this, it's at Kusasi. It's not clear to me, who probably never heard of the language till today, whether Kusasi (or Kusaasi) or KusaaL is the better name for the language in English, but in any case, a decision should be made and then the form used in the title should match the form used in the text. At the moment (2021.12.07) the title says Kusasi but the language is consistently called Kusaal within the text. -- Haruo ( talk) 00:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) BilledMammal ( talk) 08:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Kusasi language → Kusaal language – Ethnologue and all the currently cited sources in English use the name "Kusaal" and not "Kusasi". Several people on the talk page suggested "Kusaal", too. FYI, @ Kwamikagami. Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 06:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 18:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
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![]() | On 1 February 2023, it was proposed that this article be moved from Kusasi language to Kusaal language. The result of the discussion was moved. |
Language name is _Kusaal_
In 2013 this entry was moved from _Kusaal language_ to _Kusali language_.
The people are called _Kusasi_, the language name is Kusaal.
http://www.ethnologue.com/language/kus
Not sure if this is helpful.
Other comments — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
41.189.161.32 (
talk) 13:53, 27 November 2014 (UTC)
Good to see that someone knowledgeable has been reworking my stub article on Kusaal!
(I think possibly I can guess who? if I've guessed right, thankyou for the Fulani goat cheese ... and the IT terms in Mampruli ... and the loan of Manessy's book ...)
The original stub was largely based on my own (unpublished) work from when I lived in Bawku in the 1990's. Unfortunately I am not a professional linguist and could not do justice to this beautiful and fascinating language.
M pu'us ya bedugo.
For what it's worth (not much, given your expertise and my amateur status) I disagree with your analysis of inflecting verbs as having five forms:
(a) the "irrealis" -in(e) is, I would say, an enclitic particle -n(e), the -i being the reduced final vowel of the preceding word (cf object pronouns). It can follow the imperfective -d(a) flexional form as well as the perfective. It can also follow the otherwise uninflecting stative-type verbs. The tonal behaviour supports this analysis too.
(b) I'd say the "gerund" formation belongs to derivation rather than flexion, but YMMV.
86.128.167.211 ( talk) 22:45, 20 July 2008 (UTC)
Another point re the palatalised velars of Mampruli and Dagbani: I think Kusaal and Moore in fact preserve the original pattern, and the palatalisation in the former two languages was occasioned by originally following front vowels. This is concealed by e.g. the fact that short 'e' has consistently shifted to 'a' in closed syllables in Mampruli and Dagbani:
cf Kusaal keng(e) 'go' with Dagbani changi and many similar.
There is a separate series of palatal stops in more distantly related Gur languages like Gurmanche but the the corresponding reflexes in cognates in "Western Oti-Volta" are just s, z.
cf Kusaal saan(a) Dagbani sana "guest, stranger" with Gurmanche caano id.
Manassy's account of all this in his (generally wonderful) book on the Oti-volta languages is completely off the mark; he ends up setting up three series in the protolanguage because he doesn't recognise the secondary nature of the palatals in Mampruli and Dagbani, and distinguishing dentals, alveolars and palatals in a threefold system found in none of the extant languages along with some extremely implausible phonetic changes to give the modern forms.
As the initial comment above shows, someone moved this article back and forth between Kusaal and Kusasi. As I write this, it's at Kusasi. It's not clear to me, who probably never heard of the language till today, whether Kusasi (or Kusaasi) or KusaaL is the better name for the language in English, but in any case, a decision should be made and then the form used in the title should match the form used in the text. At the moment (2021.12.07) the title says Kusasi but the language is consistently called Kusaal within the text. -- Haruo ( talk) 00:18, 8 December 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( non-admin closure) BilledMammal ( talk) 08:47, 19 February 2023 (UTC)
Kusasi language → Kusaal language – Ethnologue and all the currently cited sources in English use the name "Kusaal" and not "Kusasi". Several people on the talk page suggested "Kusaal", too. FYI, @ Kwamikagami. Amir E. Aharoni ( talk) 06:40, 1 February 2023 (UTC) — Relisting. ASUKITE 18:09, 9 February 2023 (UTC)