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Further, some disputes over the attendance numbers of the first Kunicon in Miami, Florida were made by the owner of an established site that reviews and photographs conventions in the area. This attendance controversy is discussed on thier site at Rising Sun. There is also a small LiveJournal community dedicated to boycotting Kunicon [1], formed by an ex-employee. A derisive name, UsoCon, is being applied to it in these circles. "Uso" is a Japanese term for "liar."
The above is my edited version of the original content. I had made an attempt to clean this clean this up to make it more NPOV while researching the statements made, but since I now find them to be centered around personal grievances of a few individuals, and their band of followers (not to say that there are not other disgruntled attendees, but they are in the minority, by far) This doesn't seem like it really belongs on an encyclopedic page. Since nobody is monitoring this page anyway, I've taken it upon myself to try and fix it. I'm no writer, I did what I could. -- 68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
To the original author of the version before my edits, I get the impression you are seeking not to present facts, but to slant the facts in a particular direction. If you would like to discuss what facts warrant including in this article and how best to present them, I recommend that you present your suggestions here on the talk page. -- 68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Re: comment: Past and future Kunicon conventions - The site is offline, the rest is just conjecture. It is not conjecture. Manny has admitted the forums were frozen after Kunicon, Miami 2004 and the blame was laid on the previous sysadmin in the Kunicon forums (which I have archived offline). Furthermore, the blame on the current systems admin (though less direct) was stated on Manny's livejournal. It's not conjecture if the information comes straight from the party in question. -- Nijyo 9/21/2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijyo ( talk • contribs) 03:00, September 23, 2005 (UTC)
This article is not intended to spin Kunicon to the desires of the staff who plan and run it, nor the attendees disappointed by it. Rather, it is intended to be (as is Wikipedia in general) a verbose accounting of data and events around the topic. Kunicon has generated a fair amount of controversy, so to remove links that give accounting of this ongoing subject is disingenuous, to say the least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijyo ( talk • contribs) 08:19, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
This is what a wiki page for an anime convention should look like Anime Boston
Wikipedia pages are a place for facts, not for your differences with the con or it's staff to be announced. There is no evidence to back either your claims nor the con's claims. This is all hearsay without documentation, and it is therefore non-encyclopedic. This is not what a wiki article is supposed to be, until you can learn to present unbiased facts in an encyclopeidia format you should refrain from contributing. (and no, I am NOT manny)
Wikipedia is an Encyclopiedia, See a Definition of a wikipiedia entry: Wikipedia -- 68.209.108.64 05:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I've started adding references and cleaning up some of the NPOV content...but if someone else wants to continue where I left off, go right ahead! -- PatrickD 06:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The "UsoCon" joke predates Otakucon, and got attached the project by staffers within it. "UsoCon" started as a joke at our local anime club about this con we'd lie about saying we had been to so we could feel out people at cons who'd be making stuff up and didn't know anything. Hajime Yadate was usually a guest at UsoCon. There was a Otakucon staffer (as this was well before any of the name change stuff) who was in that group, we'll call him "Crow". I'm pretty sure Crow was responsible for the UsoCon moniker spreading. I had gotten involved with d20 because they wanted me to make content for them as a promotion for Otakucon. Only it wasn't supposed to be recognized as a group that was owned, affiliated, or associated with d20 and Otakucon. Even though it was named virtually the same thing, they figured fans wouldn't notice, and didn't seem to get our concerns that people would really hate us if they found this out. They also thought Otakon wouldn't be a concern, either. The deal got increasingly dodgy so we ended up just walking away once we were offered contracts that would have prevented us from attending non-d20 conventions. Not guesting, running, or that stuff, but ATTENDING non-d20 conventions was covered under the no-compete they wanted. So we left with very little faith that the cons would even start, much less become the national chain they were envisioned to be. So Crow stayed on board with d20 through the first actual con, at least, and we would often call it UsoCon amongst ourselves, calling back to the older joke. -- Secret Agent 3k2505 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.146.102.214 ( talk) 21:41, March 24, 2007 (UTC)
How come Seth's not on here at all? Shouldn't the genius of "They'll never figure out OtakuCon and OtakuRadio are connected!" show up in here somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.84.119 ( talk) 13:42, August 27, 2007 (UTC)
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Further, some disputes over the attendance numbers of the first Kunicon in Miami, Florida were made by the owner of an established site that reviews and photographs conventions in the area. This attendance controversy is discussed on thier site at Rising Sun. There is also a small LiveJournal community dedicated to boycotting Kunicon [1], formed by an ex-employee. A derisive name, UsoCon, is being applied to it in these circles. "Uso" is a Japanese term for "liar."
The above is my edited version of the original content. I had made an attempt to clean this clean this up to make it more NPOV while researching the statements made, but since I now find them to be centered around personal grievances of a few individuals, and their band of followers (not to say that there are not other disgruntled attendees, but they are in the minority, by far) This doesn't seem like it really belongs on an encyclopedic page. Since nobody is monitoring this page anyway, I've taken it upon myself to try and fix it. I'm no writer, I did what I could. -- 68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
To the original author of the version before my edits, I get the impression you are seeking not to present facts, but to slant the facts in a particular direction. If you would like to discuss what facts warrant including in this article and how best to present them, I recommend that you present your suggestions here on the talk page. -- 68.209.108.64 11:12, 25 August 2005 (UTC)
Re: comment: Past and future Kunicon conventions - The site is offline, the rest is just conjecture. It is not conjecture. Manny has admitted the forums were frozen after Kunicon, Miami 2004 and the blame was laid on the previous sysadmin in the Kunicon forums (which I have archived offline). Furthermore, the blame on the current systems admin (though less direct) was stated on Manny's livejournal. It's not conjecture if the information comes straight from the party in question. -- Nijyo 9/21/2005 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijyo ( talk • contribs) 03:00, September 23, 2005 (UTC)
This article is not intended to spin Kunicon to the desires of the staff who plan and run it, nor the attendees disappointed by it. Rather, it is intended to be (as is Wikipedia in general) a verbose accounting of data and events around the topic. Kunicon has generated a fair amount of controversy, so to remove links that give accounting of this ongoing subject is disingenuous, to say the least. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Nijyo ( talk • contribs) 08:19, September 7, 2005 (UTC)
This is what a wiki page for an anime convention should look like Anime Boston
Wikipedia pages are a place for facts, not for your differences with the con or it's staff to be announced. There is no evidence to back either your claims nor the con's claims. This is all hearsay without documentation, and it is therefore non-encyclopedic. This is not what a wiki article is supposed to be, until you can learn to present unbiased facts in an encyclopeidia format you should refrain from contributing. (and no, I am NOT manny)
Wikipedia is an Encyclopiedia, See a Definition of a wikipiedia entry: Wikipedia -- 68.209.108.64 05:52, 14 September 2005 (UTC)
I've started adding references and cleaning up some of the NPOV content...but if someone else wants to continue where I left off, go right ahead! -- PatrickD 06:57, 28 February 2007 (UTC)
The "UsoCon" joke predates Otakucon, and got attached the project by staffers within it. "UsoCon" started as a joke at our local anime club about this con we'd lie about saying we had been to so we could feel out people at cons who'd be making stuff up and didn't know anything. Hajime Yadate was usually a guest at UsoCon. There was a Otakucon staffer (as this was well before any of the name change stuff) who was in that group, we'll call him "Crow". I'm pretty sure Crow was responsible for the UsoCon moniker spreading. I had gotten involved with d20 because they wanted me to make content for them as a promotion for Otakucon. Only it wasn't supposed to be recognized as a group that was owned, affiliated, or associated with d20 and Otakucon. Even though it was named virtually the same thing, they figured fans wouldn't notice, and didn't seem to get our concerns that people would really hate us if they found this out. They also thought Otakon wouldn't be a concern, either. The deal got increasingly dodgy so we ended up just walking away once we were offered contracts that would have prevented us from attending non-d20 conventions. Not guesting, running, or that stuff, but ATTENDING non-d20 conventions was covered under the no-compete they wanted. So we left with very little faith that the cons would even start, much less become the national chain they were envisioned to be. So Crow stayed on board with d20 through the first actual con, at least, and we would often call it UsoCon amongst ourselves, calling back to the older joke. -- Secret Agent 3k2505 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.146.102.214 ( talk) 21:41, March 24, 2007 (UTC)
How come Seth's not on here at all? Shouldn't the genius of "They'll never figure out OtakuCon and OtakuRadio are connected!" show up in here somewhere? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.196.84.119 ( talk) 13:42, August 27, 2007 (UTC)