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An IP has been attempting to change the orthography, altering the established spelling of internal links to WP articles, which is probably not a good idea. Our article is called Musical theatre and there is no obvious advantage in spelling it otherwise when linking to it, especially as even the most patriotic American must agree that both "theatre" and "theater" are current American spellings, as Merriam-Webster and other dictionaries of American English confirm. If the editor demurs we can discuss the matter here. Tim riley talk 18:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Change “Chenoweth made her film debut in 2002” under the Film section of the Career tab to instead include information about her starring in Annie in 1999 with Victor Garber and Kathy Bates. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_(1999_film) LebaElleirbag45 ( talk) 04:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi! User talk:Ssilvers said I should come here with suggestions. I think there should be changes to the lead and body of the text so it should have some sense of flow and organization to it.
As a reader who wanted to look at her career the lead looked incredibly overstuffed. I think there's a way to condense it so it's easy to read. I personally think it would make more sense to have a section of theatre, mention her Broadway debut, Tony Award win and nominations, followed by notable Broadway roles. Then a section for her television roles, Emmy win and nomination, and for film roles. Also, it also doesn't make sense to list all 8 of her studio albums here.
As for the body of the article I would definitely suggest having dates to break up her career instead of just labeling "Theater", "Film", and "Television" repeating the sub headings already in her credits section. For me with the text as is, there doesn't seem to be a flow or progression.
Also why is there a separate article linked titled " Kristin Chenoweth credits" and then all the credits are repeated in the Kristin Chenoweth article? I think we should either do away with her credits on this page since it's redundant being in the separate article or at the very least remove the non-Broadway stage performances on this page since it's already listed in the "credits" page.
Here below is a condensed cleaner suggestion of what her lead could look like:
The One I Left ( talk) 13:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
(1) I would be OK with moving GCB, T&E and Schmigadoon out of the 1st paragraph and into the 3rd. Cheno was the most important character in GCB -- it was her show. She also got a lot of attention in Schmigadoon, and was in the main cast of T&E, so I think they are Leadworthy, but I agree that they need not be in the 1st paragraph. (2) Again, we are going to remove the Credits section, so it will not be repetitive. I reject the "at-a-glance argument. This is an encyclopedia bio. We should not repeat ourselves -- let others weigh in. (3) Again, I said I agree with deleting the Credits section, once we have done what I specified above. I will not repeat myself, but I explained above what approach we should take, per WP:NOTEWORTHY. Broadway performances are not the only noteworthy performances for theatre actors. See WP:NOTEWORTHY and try to stop repeating yourself -- let others weigh in. We don't need bullet points here. Per WP:TALK, please keep your Talk page comments concise -- a sprawling Talk page is not helpful. I try to keep mine to one paragraph for conciseness (4) As I already said, I disagree. You didn't read the article carefully enough if you think she only hosted one awards show, as I just stopped counting at 3. I disagree with your other points, and I am pretty sure there is nothing inaccurate in the Lead -- like what? What do other editors think? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 04:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Jasonbres and User:Flami72 have been the most active editors of this page after me. Do either of you have any opinions about the proposals either way? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Ssilvers asked me to weigh in here. It seems that there is a consensus above to split credits off to a different article once that has been cross-checked, which seems like a reasonable solution. There also seems to be consensus for this change, although please revert if you disagree. I've also removed a little bit of repetition. I don't think it's necessary to specify in the lead which particular award shows she's hosted, particularly if there is a concern about wordiness, and I think a thematic structure for the article as a whole is a valid approach at current length, with the option to revisit if it expands significantly. (I'd also suggest you both focus on discussing the article content rather than each other). Nikkimaria ( talk) 21:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Per the previous section's discussion, I have now gone through the theatre credits to make sure that they are mentioned in the text with refs. (I had to add some) and also contained in the sub-article, which they all were. Therefore, I have removed them. I still need to do the Film and TV credits. One problem with what we are doing, however, is that the refs are in Chenoweth's text, but not (mostly) in the credits tables, which someone copied into the sub-article, so the sub article does not have adequate referencing. I would appreciate if User:The One I Left or someone would copy them into the sub-article. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)
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An IP has been attempting to change the orthography, altering the established spelling of internal links to WP articles, which is probably not a good idea. Our article is called Musical theatre and there is no obvious advantage in spelling it otherwise when linking to it, especially as even the most patriotic American must agree that both "theatre" and "theater" are current American spellings, as Merriam-Webster and other dictionaries of American English confirm. If the editor demurs we can discuss the matter here. Tim riley talk 18:09, 27 May 2021 (UTC)
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Change “Chenoweth made her film debut in 2002” under the Film section of the Career tab to instead include information about her starring in Annie in 1999 with Victor Garber and Kathy Bates. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Annie_(1999_film) LebaElleirbag45 ( talk) 04:12, 31 December 2021 (UTC)
Hi! User talk:Ssilvers said I should come here with suggestions. I think there should be changes to the lead and body of the text so it should have some sense of flow and organization to it.
As a reader who wanted to look at her career the lead looked incredibly overstuffed. I think there's a way to condense it so it's easy to read. I personally think it would make more sense to have a section of theatre, mention her Broadway debut, Tony Award win and nominations, followed by notable Broadway roles. Then a section for her television roles, Emmy win and nomination, and for film roles. Also, it also doesn't make sense to list all 8 of her studio albums here.
As for the body of the article I would definitely suggest having dates to break up her career instead of just labeling "Theater", "Film", and "Television" repeating the sub headings already in her credits section. For me with the text as is, there doesn't seem to be a flow or progression.
Also why is there a separate article linked titled " Kristin Chenoweth credits" and then all the credits are repeated in the Kristin Chenoweth article? I think we should either do away with her credits on this page since it's redundant being in the separate article or at the very least remove the non-Broadway stage performances on this page since it's already listed in the "credits" page.
Here below is a condensed cleaner suggestion of what her lead could look like:
The One I Left ( talk) 13:07, 9 April 2024 (UTC)
(1) I would be OK with moving GCB, T&E and Schmigadoon out of the 1st paragraph and into the 3rd. Cheno was the most important character in GCB -- it was her show. She also got a lot of attention in Schmigadoon, and was in the main cast of T&E, so I think they are Leadworthy, but I agree that they need not be in the 1st paragraph. (2) Again, we are going to remove the Credits section, so it will not be repetitive. I reject the "at-a-glance argument. This is an encyclopedia bio. We should not repeat ourselves -- let others weigh in. (3) Again, I said I agree with deleting the Credits section, once we have done what I specified above. I will not repeat myself, but I explained above what approach we should take, per WP:NOTEWORTHY. Broadway performances are not the only noteworthy performances for theatre actors. See WP:NOTEWORTHY and try to stop repeating yourself -- let others weigh in. We don't need bullet points here. Per WP:TALK, please keep your Talk page comments concise -- a sprawling Talk page is not helpful. I try to keep mine to one paragraph for conciseness (4) As I already said, I disagree. You didn't read the article carefully enough if you think she only hosted one awards show, as I just stopped counting at 3. I disagree with your other points, and I am pretty sure there is nothing inaccurate in the Lead -- like what? What do other editors think? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 04:36, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
User:Jasonbres and User:Flami72 have been the most active editors of this page after me. Do either of you have any opinions about the proposals either way? -- Ssilvers ( talk) 16:46, 10 April 2024 (UTC)
Ssilvers asked me to weigh in here. It seems that there is a consensus above to split credits off to a different article once that has been cross-checked, which seems like a reasonable solution. There also seems to be consensus for this change, although please revert if you disagree. I've also removed a little bit of repetition. I don't think it's necessary to specify in the lead which particular award shows she's hosted, particularly if there is a concern about wordiness, and I think a thematic structure for the article as a whole is a valid approach at current length, with the option to revisit if it expands significantly. (I'd also suggest you both focus on discussing the article content rather than each other). Nikkimaria ( talk) 21:49, 11 April 2024 (UTC)
Per the previous section's discussion, I have now gone through the theatre credits to make sure that they are mentioned in the text with refs. (I had to add some) and also contained in the sub-article, which they all were. Therefore, I have removed them. I still need to do the Film and TV credits. One problem with what we are doing, however, is that the refs are in Chenoweth's text, but not (mostly) in the credits tables, which someone copied into the sub-article, so the sub article does not have adequate referencing. I would appreciate if User:The One I Left or someone would copy them into the sub-article. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:19, 21 April 2024 (UTC)