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Why is Benson's 2004 trade to the Mets considered infamous? He, and solid prospect Jeff Keppinger, were acquired for Ty Wiggington (a utility player of arguably equal value to Keppinger), Jose Bautista (an infielders who has yet to establish himself), and minor leaguer Matt Peterson. At worst, this trade was a wash.
Is the author confusing this trade with the Zambrano-Kazmir trade that occurred on the same day? The 2 trades were announced simultaneously by many media outlets, leading them to be grouped together in posterity. The Zambrano-Kazmire trade, as any Met fan knows, was a horribly inept move on face value. Dbn429 15:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
If anything, Benson's trade should be considered fortuitous for the Mets, since they got John Maine, a future ace of the staff by dealing away Benson.
When one truly researches the above assumptions, one will find out that the Kris Benson trade didn't really work to the Mets advantages or disadvantages. Kris Benson pitches 200 innings between Pittsburgh and New York during the 2004 season, and 184 in 2005. John Maine pitched less innings in his first two years with the Mets compared to Benson's time in NY. Maine's innings have decreased yearly, and his ERA has slowly increased. It is also unfair to compare the two pitchers wins and loses, since Benson threw for the Mets when they were a totally different team. During the 2004 season when Benson arrived, the Mets finished 71-91, whereas Maine's first season produced a 97-65 team record. Both pitchers have had shoulder injuries as well. Therefore, all the reporters bashing on Benson once he left, has no merit when one researches the facts.
Once again, it was the shoddy reporting by New York sports reporters that started the false comparison, and subsequent following of other reporters and their "copying" of New York media gossip.---- Anonymous ( talk) 23:15, 13 April 2010.
As the quote continually removed by the anonymous user makes clear, the SI comment regarding the Bensons is a evaluation, in part, of her strong presence in the public's perception of his career. Mrs. Benson certainly maintained an oft noted part of her husband's relationship with franchises and fan bases. The quote's point is that his wife's comments and actions often overshadowed his own career, clearly a germane contention for an article on Kris Benson. -- Vaudedoc ( talk) 07:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC).
As mlb.com has numerous "reporters" that post their opinions on players and their careers, so does Sports Illustrated. Just because a certain writer thought it was fun to write about Anna Benson in an piece about Kris Benson, makes the exact point that it is simply a game to include her to make their piece look a little less boring. I do not see this as reporting anything or have any relevance towards Kris Benson, and it is still nothing but an opinion that has been passed around to make certain reporters look "clever" in their pieces. Kris Benson has been a professional baseball player for 14 years, only a year and half in New York City (when this was written). I don't think the New York gossip media's portrayal of Anna Benson has anything to do with the "overshadowing" of Kris Benson's career, and it was something started by one reporter and picked up and passed around because it was "cool" to write or copy. Therefore, the point that continually is made by Vlaudidoc is nothing more than sensationalist reporting, and it's merits are unimportant to his personal page, and career in general. Ultimately, this entire debate only shows the insecurity of certain reporters, that they can not stick to the task at hand, which is to write about baseball. Therefore, just because it showed up in SI, doesn't make this anymore "credible" than a gossip write up in the NY Post, that's also considered a legit publishing to some. The Post is the one that most likely started the entire storyline, and SI, and it's reporter that the quote is "based" on, is just another reporter that followed the bandwagon of gossip journalism. If that's the case, there could probably be many different quotes that make Anna Benson seem to overshadow Kris Benson's career, but as a whole, it doesn't at all.---- Anonymous ( talk) 22:52, 13 April 2010.
Since Vlaudidoc seems to have all the answers and speaks for the Wikipedia world ("everyone on Wikipedia"), how can anyone disagree? I do. Once again, you keep citing Anna Benson stories. You speak of the "threatened to sleep with the entire team" as if you really believed it. If you don't recall, from my "research", I believe she was on Howard Stern when she said that. It's a nice place to be sensational, just like the New York media in general. So continue to "site" away and justify your inner desire to post the quotation facts. More I think about it, you must be a sports reporter since you say "the job of a sports reporter is...". Who would give Anna Benson SO much energy in a platform like this? By the way, the reporter(s) did try to include her, because they asked her questions. As far as Mickelson's wife, she had BREAST CANCER. A little different. A little more impacting. Yes, a reporter that has to drag a players wife into the mix by asking her questions in a negative way are insecure in their reporting and professional skills. Long story short, no I don't believe that spouses fit into "this category". It's just excited little reporters getting a chance to speak to a fantasy they'll never obtain and trying to make it relevant. You see it all over TV, in all areas of the reporting world. Bad reporting, and sports reporters may be the worse. But that's a different topic for a different day. We only hope to be as "sited" by the media, so we can have our very own Wikipedia page, and people really care to read it. By the way, you sound so passionate. It's almost as if you're obsessed with Anna Benson as well. You know so much about her past. You've spent so much time justifying your hard work. Me, I just hit erase. It's like her quotes happened yesterday, not 6 years ago. Either way, I think we're going to agree to disagree, so why bother going back and forth. You keep putting the hard sought after "irrelevant research" that you've done on Anna Benson on Kris Benson's page, and Anonymous will continue to take it off of "Kris Benson's page". My opinions don't get included on the main page, but I have the power to "uninclude" yours. You do your duty and make the "Wkipedia world" a better place though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.177.61.148 ( talk) 04:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I love the sweet taste of debating victory. Did I strike a nerve? Now you're spending more time trying to prove your posting worth just to try and get your poor points across. I still have a delete button, and you have too much time on your hands Vlaudidoc.---- Anonymous ( talk) 1:56, 16 April 2010.
Time to rally the Wikipedia world troops Vlaudidoc. It's like a little baby crying to mommy. How funny! You say you write within the guidelines of the WP, and I'll continue to delete within my right as well. Hope you continue to get alerts that your writing has been altered, tomorrow, a week, or a month from now. Whenever I have time to pop in and see an opening. Just in case you want to get specific on letter A, it never says which Benson talked about the quote they talk about. It could go either way, so your assumption is just that without a "Kris Benson said". If you say this quote, it could hold true for either party. If you want to be true to your calling, I guess you'd have to take this down. As far as the filing for divorce, you can put it up there now that you're trying to prove a point about your posting professionalism. Just let your boyfriends know Anonymous said don't waste their time either. It won't be locked forever. If anything, it shows how similar Vlaudidoc is to the countless insecure sports reporters that have to prove their points when it comes to Anna Benson. Now the site has become even more Anna-oriented due to Vladork's obvious obsession with her.---- Anonymous ( talk) 12:26, 16 April 2010.
Sorry about the reference to vandalism in my last edit summary. I misunderstood the previous anonymous editor's reference, and was trying to say that it WASN'T, not that it WAS. ThtrWrtr 16:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patchyreynolds ( talk • contribs)
All of the recent edits are uncited and quite a few are PoV. Any one have sources for any of this? Or should it be reverted? ThtrWrtr ( talk) 16:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I've poked about and can'r find sources for much of the information (e.g., being one of only two freshmen to make his HS team)) that was recently added. Unless some cites appear I'm going to start taking uncited info down as per BLP. ThtrWrtr ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC).
I removed some otherwise useful data (and some PoV material) because I couldn't find any sources for it. Anyone know of anything online for this? ThtrWrtr ( talk) 16:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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Why is Benson's 2004 trade to the Mets considered infamous? He, and solid prospect Jeff Keppinger, were acquired for Ty Wiggington (a utility player of arguably equal value to Keppinger), Jose Bautista (an infielders who has yet to establish himself), and minor leaguer Matt Peterson. At worst, this trade was a wash.
Is the author confusing this trade with the Zambrano-Kazmir trade that occurred on the same day? The 2 trades were announced simultaneously by many media outlets, leading them to be grouped together in posterity. The Zambrano-Kazmire trade, as any Met fan knows, was a horribly inept move on face value. Dbn429 15:15, 20 March 2007 (UTC)
If anything, Benson's trade should be considered fortuitous for the Mets, since they got John Maine, a future ace of the staff by dealing away Benson.
When one truly researches the above assumptions, one will find out that the Kris Benson trade didn't really work to the Mets advantages or disadvantages. Kris Benson pitches 200 innings between Pittsburgh and New York during the 2004 season, and 184 in 2005. John Maine pitched less innings in his first two years with the Mets compared to Benson's time in NY. Maine's innings have decreased yearly, and his ERA has slowly increased. It is also unfair to compare the two pitchers wins and loses, since Benson threw for the Mets when they were a totally different team. During the 2004 season when Benson arrived, the Mets finished 71-91, whereas Maine's first season produced a 97-65 team record. Both pitchers have had shoulder injuries as well. Therefore, all the reporters bashing on Benson once he left, has no merit when one researches the facts.
Once again, it was the shoddy reporting by New York sports reporters that started the false comparison, and subsequent following of other reporters and their "copying" of New York media gossip.---- Anonymous ( talk) 23:15, 13 April 2010.
As the quote continually removed by the anonymous user makes clear, the SI comment regarding the Bensons is a evaluation, in part, of her strong presence in the public's perception of his career. Mrs. Benson certainly maintained an oft noted part of her husband's relationship with franchises and fan bases. The quote's point is that his wife's comments and actions often overshadowed his own career, clearly a germane contention for an article on Kris Benson. -- Vaudedoc ( talk) 07:57, 13 March 2010 (UTC).
As mlb.com has numerous "reporters" that post their opinions on players and their careers, so does Sports Illustrated. Just because a certain writer thought it was fun to write about Anna Benson in an piece about Kris Benson, makes the exact point that it is simply a game to include her to make their piece look a little less boring. I do not see this as reporting anything or have any relevance towards Kris Benson, and it is still nothing but an opinion that has been passed around to make certain reporters look "clever" in their pieces. Kris Benson has been a professional baseball player for 14 years, only a year and half in New York City (when this was written). I don't think the New York gossip media's portrayal of Anna Benson has anything to do with the "overshadowing" of Kris Benson's career, and it was something started by one reporter and picked up and passed around because it was "cool" to write or copy. Therefore, the point that continually is made by Vlaudidoc is nothing more than sensationalist reporting, and it's merits are unimportant to his personal page, and career in general. Ultimately, this entire debate only shows the insecurity of certain reporters, that they can not stick to the task at hand, which is to write about baseball. Therefore, just because it showed up in SI, doesn't make this anymore "credible" than a gossip write up in the NY Post, that's also considered a legit publishing to some. The Post is the one that most likely started the entire storyline, and SI, and it's reporter that the quote is "based" on, is just another reporter that followed the bandwagon of gossip journalism. If that's the case, there could probably be many different quotes that make Anna Benson seem to overshadow Kris Benson's career, but as a whole, it doesn't at all.---- Anonymous ( talk) 22:52, 13 April 2010.
Since Vlaudidoc seems to have all the answers and speaks for the Wikipedia world ("everyone on Wikipedia"), how can anyone disagree? I do. Once again, you keep citing Anna Benson stories. You speak of the "threatened to sleep with the entire team" as if you really believed it. If you don't recall, from my "research", I believe she was on Howard Stern when she said that. It's a nice place to be sensational, just like the New York media in general. So continue to "site" away and justify your inner desire to post the quotation facts. More I think about it, you must be a sports reporter since you say "the job of a sports reporter is...". Who would give Anna Benson SO much energy in a platform like this? By the way, the reporter(s) did try to include her, because they asked her questions. As far as Mickelson's wife, she had BREAST CANCER. A little different. A little more impacting. Yes, a reporter that has to drag a players wife into the mix by asking her questions in a negative way are insecure in their reporting and professional skills. Long story short, no I don't believe that spouses fit into "this category". It's just excited little reporters getting a chance to speak to a fantasy they'll never obtain and trying to make it relevant. You see it all over TV, in all areas of the reporting world. Bad reporting, and sports reporters may be the worse. But that's a different topic for a different day. We only hope to be as "sited" by the media, so we can have our very own Wikipedia page, and people really care to read it. By the way, you sound so passionate. It's almost as if you're obsessed with Anna Benson as well. You know so much about her past. You've spent so much time justifying your hard work. Me, I just hit erase. It's like her quotes happened yesterday, not 6 years ago. Either way, I think we're going to agree to disagree, so why bother going back and forth. You keep putting the hard sought after "irrelevant research" that you've done on Anna Benson on Kris Benson's page, and Anonymous will continue to take it off of "Kris Benson's page". My opinions don't get included on the main page, but I have the power to "uninclude" yours. You do your duty and make the "Wkipedia world" a better place though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 32.177.61.148 ( talk) 04:41, 15 April 2010 (UTC)
I love the sweet taste of debating victory. Did I strike a nerve? Now you're spending more time trying to prove your posting worth just to try and get your poor points across. I still have a delete button, and you have too much time on your hands Vlaudidoc.---- Anonymous ( talk) 1:56, 16 April 2010.
Time to rally the Wikipedia world troops Vlaudidoc. It's like a little baby crying to mommy. How funny! You say you write within the guidelines of the WP, and I'll continue to delete within my right as well. Hope you continue to get alerts that your writing has been altered, tomorrow, a week, or a month from now. Whenever I have time to pop in and see an opening. Just in case you want to get specific on letter A, it never says which Benson talked about the quote they talk about. It could go either way, so your assumption is just that without a "Kris Benson said". If you say this quote, it could hold true for either party. If you want to be true to your calling, I guess you'd have to take this down. As far as the filing for divorce, you can put it up there now that you're trying to prove a point about your posting professionalism. Just let your boyfriends know Anonymous said don't waste their time either. It won't be locked forever. If anything, it shows how similar Vlaudidoc is to the countless insecure sports reporters that have to prove their points when it comes to Anna Benson. Now the site has become even more Anna-oriented due to Vladork's obvious obsession with her.---- Anonymous ( talk) 12:26, 16 April 2010.
Sorry about the reference to vandalism in my last edit summary. I misunderstood the previous anonymous editor's reference, and was trying to say that it WASN'T, not that it WAS. ThtrWrtr 16:39, 15 July 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Patchyreynolds ( talk • contribs)
All of the recent edits are uncited and quite a few are PoV. Any one have sources for any of this? Or should it be reverted? ThtrWrtr ( talk) 16:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)
I've poked about and can'r find sources for much of the information (e.g., being one of only two freshmen to make his HS team)) that was recently added. Unless some cites appear I'm going to start taking uncited info down as per BLP. ThtrWrtr ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:21, 12 January 2011 (UTC).
I removed some otherwise useful data (and some PoV material) because I couldn't find any sources for it. Anyone know of anything online for this? ThtrWrtr ( talk) 16:22, 12 March 2011 (UTC)
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