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Someone has added a bunch of unsourced or poorly sourced material, which I have deleted. The material is from unreliable blogs and other websites. Thanks. 109.255.71.203 ( talk) 14:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Also deleting mention of a book that doesn't exist. 109.255.71.203 ( talk) 14:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Also deleted information about an alleged "associate". There is no other wikipedia article that attacks someone because of their associate. 109.255.71.203 ( talk) 15:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Kripalu Maharaj →
Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj – Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is the name by which he is most commonly known, and has become his de facto name, and there are other people with similar names which would create confusion. It was originally "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj", but a user moved it to Kripalu Maharaj on April 19th 2012.
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"Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" gives 60,000 results [2] "Kripalu Maharaj" only gives 18,200 results [3]
Jagadguru is an ordained religious title, not an honorific, and he is so widely known as "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" that it has become his de facto name.
There are other prominent Kripalus and Swami Kripalus and a Kripaluji Maharaj. This would create confusion about who is who. "Jagadguru" is the central point that this Kripalu Maharaj is known for, and the main thing that people would want information about or search for, and a central theme of this article, and as pointed out above, passes the google test for popularity, and has been featured twice on the English wikipedia home page only in relation to the "Jagadguru" title. Therefore, it is necessary to reflect that in the title. Lotusjuice ( talk) 08:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Referring to specific policy, the Titles and honorifics section of the Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Indic) page says: "Generally, titles and honorifics should not be used either in the article body or when naming an article. However, exceptions may apply to individuals who are widely known by an honorific name or with a title." I believe and have shown that this is the case for Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj Lotusjuice ( talk) 11:14, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
1. A discussion on Hinduism-related_topics_notice_board with an admin about this exact article, and this exact subject. The administrator concluded that the article would be called Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj if that is the name he is famous with. I have shown that this is the name used by BBC, Al Jazeera, Wall Street Journal, Economic Times, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 1, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 2, NDTV, ANI (Asia News Network), Telegraph India, Tribune India, Austin Statesman, Hamilton College Journal Article, Indo American News to name a few.
2. The 'Titles and honorifics' section of Naming_conventions_(Indic) says that honorifics may be used as titles of articles in rare cases where individuals are widely known by an honorific name or with a title. I have shown that Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is the name used in mainstream reliable sources such as BBC, Al Jazeera, Wall Street Journal, Economic Times, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 1, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 2, NDTV, ANI (Asia News Network), Telegraph India, Tribune India, Austin Statesman, Hamilton College Journal Article, Indo American News to name a few. Therefore, it should also be the name of this article. Wikipedia isn't the place to decide which version of the name to use, if it contradicts these sources? Why have an article on the subject at all, if the title is not as widely used as some other name?
3. Comparing with for-like spiritual teachers: A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is listed in Naming_conventions_(Indic) as an example of a spiritual teacher who may use an honorific as his name because it says that he is widely known by that name. I have shown that "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" is much more popular on google than "Kripalu Maharaj". "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" gives 60,000 results [10] "Kripalu Maharaj" only gives 18,200 results [11]. So, it is an unusual case where an honorific or title is the most used name. The wikipedia user who changed the name of "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" to "Kripalu Maharaj" is also an editor of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and has never questioned the validity of using honorifics as the title of that article, because the spiritual teacher of that article is his own teacher. Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is not his teacher, and he claimed in a deletion discussion that he is not notable and hadn't heard of him. If he hadn't heard of him, how would he know which version of the name is more popular?
4. An additional point which I haven't mentioned is that Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is used as the name in other language wikipedias since 2007 - namely Gaelic Wikipedia.
5. Avoiding ambiguity - There are other spiritual teachers with similar names as "Kripalu Maharaj" - e.g. [12], [13], [14], [15]), Swami Kripalu or Kripalu (e.g. [16] etc.
6. Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is a spiritual teacher, not a politician like Gandhi - politicians use secular names in their line of business). He also comes under the umbrella of indic naming conventions, a very specialized topic, so comparisons with Jesus are invalid.
7. Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is an ordained name, not a name given by followers or a name that just took off, but it has become the name by which he is most known, and has become his de facto name to most people who refer to him. The article gives ample sources about that. It is also the name which he personally uses in his official communications, work and TV Broadcasts (e.g. on Aastha TV). It is also the official name of the author of the book he is famous for (i.e. Prem Ras Siddhant) Lotusjuice ( talk) 19:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
8. Found two authoritative Encyclopedias which refer to him as Jagadguru Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj. One is called " Encyclopedia of American Religions" published by Gale_(publisher), but the text is not available online. The other is called "Encyclopaedia of Indian philosophy", published by Anmol Publications. Lotusjuice ( talk) 20:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
9. The present name of the article doesn't adhere to Wikipedia:COMMONNAME#Common_names.
10. As mentioned by User:ansumang below, the article had gone to main page twice (as Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj) and nobody questioned it. Lotusjuice ( talk) 14:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
The Concise Guide to Today's Religions and Spirituality - Page 193 James K. Walker - 2007 Jagadguru Kripalu Parishat, Shree Kripaluji Maharaj Austin, TX: A HINDU nonprofit religious organization formed to promote the teachings of its founder, who claims to be the fifth Jagadguru (divine presence descended to earth) in the last 5000 years.
Lotusjuice ( talk) 14:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)Encyclopedia of American Religions - Page 1011 - The Divine Love Mission grew out of the work of the devotion inspired by Jagadguru Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj (born in 1922 as Ram Kripalu Tripathi in Mangarh, near Allahabad, India). After completing his formal education at the age of 16 he found his way to Vrindavan and the next year emerged as a guru known affectionately as Shri Maharajji. He is remembered for leading devotees in a six-month continuous chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra when he was only 17 years old. He was 34 years old when given the title "Jagadguru" by the Kashi Vidvat Parishad, a group of Hindu scholars.
In general, styles and honorifics should not be included in front of the name. There are some exceptions: Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for "Father Coughlin" (presently at Charles Coughlin) and Mother Teresa.
I have added an infobox in the article, most of the fields are blank (foundation, literary works etc), I request a primary contributor of the article to fill these fields. If you need any help you can ping me in my talk page! -- Tito Dutta Message 17:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Although the name sounds very prestigious, I could find no indication that it is a significant or noteworthy award. Generally speaking, awards mentioned in articles should only be included if they are significant to an encyclopedic understanding of the topic. Since the majority of sources I could find that mention the award are minor blurbs talking about the JKP (or JPK, as a lot of sources mistakenly call it), this doesn't appear to qualify. Since the award doesn't appear to be significant enough to have its own article ( Nelson Mandela Peace Award), this should not be included in the article, in my opinion. To be clear, nobody is denying that the JKP did receive the award, only that it should be included in the article. Grayfell ( talk) 21:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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I couldn't get past the intro it was so comical. Will someone clean this up? — Sesel ( talk) 03:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
This sounds less like a Wikipedia article, and more like a biased glorification on their own guru. "Supreme Spiritual Master of the World, Jagadguru Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj was the Descension of Divine Love and Bliss, Propounder of Eternal Vedic Philosophy and Reconciler of all Philosophies"
Compared to other guru's pages, this is clearly heavily biased. It desperately needs editing from someone who wants to serve Wikipedia, without the ulterior motive of glorifying their guru. 125.239.51.166 ( talk) 00:38, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
This article has been heavily edited by editors associated with the organization (such as KumarS) and several SPAs who have repeatedly moved the article to a title with several additional honorifics, removed clean-up tags, and added unreliable and primary sources and peacock-langauage to the article. The article content and sources need to be reviewed in toto by experienced editors unconnected with the subject and associated spiritual movement in order to meet wikipedia's standards to sourcing and neutrality. Abecedare ( talk) 03:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC) Abecedare ( talk) 03:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Vikas.jehanabad, Prabhujiy, AX Parish, Fruityk, Aashishji, AX JKP, Ashishtripat, and JagadguruKripaluParishat:: can you, and any other editors who need to, please disclose any association you have/had with the subject of this article or with the Jagadguru Kripalu Parishat? Abecedare ( talk) 03:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
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Someone has added a bunch of unsourced or poorly sourced material, which I have deleted. The material is from unreliable blogs and other websites. Thanks. 109.255.71.203 ( talk) 14:54, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
Also deleting mention of a book that doesn't exist. 109.255.71.203 ( talk) 14:55, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Also deleted information about an alleged "associate". There is no other wikipedia article that attacks someone because of their associate. 109.255.71.203 ( talk) 15:03, 27 February 2012 (UTC)
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Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj – Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is the name by which he is most commonly known, and has become his de facto name, and there are other people with similar names which would create confusion. It was originally "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj", but a user moved it to Kripalu Maharaj on April 19th 2012.
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"Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" gives 60,000 results [2] "Kripalu Maharaj" only gives 18,200 results [3]
Jagadguru is an ordained religious title, not an honorific, and he is so widely known as "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" that it has become his de facto name.
There are other prominent Kripalus and Swami Kripalus and a Kripaluji Maharaj. This would create confusion about who is who. "Jagadguru" is the central point that this Kripalu Maharaj is known for, and the main thing that people would want information about or search for, and a central theme of this article, and as pointed out above, passes the google test for popularity, and has been featured twice on the English wikipedia home page only in relation to the "Jagadguru" title. Therefore, it is necessary to reflect that in the title. Lotusjuice ( talk) 08:51, 19 April 2012 (UTC)
Referring to specific policy, the Titles and honorifics section of the Wikipedia:Naming_conventions_(Indic) page says: "Generally, titles and honorifics should not be used either in the article body or when naming an article. However, exceptions may apply to individuals who are widely known by an honorific name or with a title." I believe and have shown that this is the case for Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj Lotusjuice ( talk) 11:14, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
1. A discussion on Hinduism-related_topics_notice_board with an admin about this exact article, and this exact subject. The administrator concluded that the article would be called Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj if that is the name he is famous with. I have shown that this is the name used by BBC, Al Jazeera, Wall Street Journal, Economic Times, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 1, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 2, NDTV, ANI (Asia News Network), Telegraph India, Tribune India, Austin Statesman, Hamilton College Journal Article, Indo American News to name a few.
2. The 'Titles and honorifics' section of Naming_conventions_(Indic) says that honorifics may be used as titles of articles in rare cases where individuals are widely known by an honorific name or with a title. I have shown that Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is the name used in mainstream reliable sources such as BBC, Al Jazeera, Wall Street Journal, Economic Times, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 1, Indian Government Press Information Bureau 2, NDTV, ANI (Asia News Network), Telegraph India, Tribune India, Austin Statesman, Hamilton College Journal Article, Indo American News to name a few. Therefore, it should also be the name of this article. Wikipedia isn't the place to decide which version of the name to use, if it contradicts these sources? Why have an article on the subject at all, if the title is not as widely used as some other name?
3. Comparing with for-like spiritual teachers: A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada is listed in Naming_conventions_(Indic) as an example of a spiritual teacher who may use an honorific as his name because it says that he is widely known by that name. I have shown that "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" is much more popular on google than "Kripalu Maharaj". "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" gives 60,000 results [10] "Kripalu Maharaj" only gives 18,200 results [11]. So, it is an unusual case where an honorific or title is the most used name. The wikipedia user who changed the name of "Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj" to "Kripalu Maharaj" is also an editor of A. C. Bhaktivedanta Swami Prabhupada and has never questioned the validity of using honorifics as the title of that article, because the spiritual teacher of that article is his own teacher. Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is not his teacher, and he claimed in a deletion discussion that he is not notable and hadn't heard of him. If he hadn't heard of him, how would he know which version of the name is more popular?
4. An additional point which I haven't mentioned is that Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is used as the name in other language wikipedias since 2007 - namely Gaelic Wikipedia.
5. Avoiding ambiguity - There are other spiritual teachers with similar names as "Kripalu Maharaj" - e.g. [12], [13], [14], [15]), Swami Kripalu or Kripalu (e.g. [16] etc.
6. Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is a spiritual teacher, not a politician like Gandhi - politicians use secular names in their line of business). He also comes under the umbrella of indic naming conventions, a very specialized topic, so comparisons with Jesus are invalid.
7. Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj is an ordained name, not a name given by followers or a name that just took off, but it has become the name by which he is most known, and has become his de facto name to most people who refer to him. The article gives ample sources about that. It is also the name which he personally uses in his official communications, work and TV Broadcasts (e.g. on Aastha TV). It is also the official name of the author of the book he is famous for (i.e. Prem Ras Siddhant) Lotusjuice ( talk) 19:29, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
8. Found two authoritative Encyclopedias which refer to him as Jagadguru Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj. One is called " Encyclopedia of American Religions" published by Gale_(publisher), but the text is not available online. The other is called "Encyclopaedia of Indian philosophy", published by Anmol Publications. Lotusjuice ( talk) 20:48, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
9. The present name of the article doesn't adhere to Wikipedia:COMMONNAME#Common_names.
10. As mentioned by User:ansumang below, the article had gone to main page twice (as Jagadguru Kripalu Maharaj) and nobody questioned it. Lotusjuice ( talk) 14:26, 27 April 2012 (UTC)
The Concise Guide to Today's Religions and Spirituality - Page 193 James K. Walker - 2007 Jagadguru Kripalu Parishat, Shree Kripaluji Maharaj Austin, TX: A HINDU nonprofit religious organization formed to promote the teachings of its founder, who claims to be the fifth Jagadguru (divine presence descended to earth) in the last 5000 years.
Lotusjuice ( talk) 14:22, 29 April 2012 (UTC)Encyclopedia of American Religions - Page 1011 - The Divine Love Mission grew out of the work of the devotion inspired by Jagadguru Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj (born in 1922 as Ram Kripalu Tripathi in Mangarh, near Allahabad, India). After completing his formal education at the age of 16 he found his way to Vrindavan and the next year emerged as a guru known affectionately as Shri Maharajji. He is remembered for leading devotees in a six-month continuous chanting of the Hare Krishna mantra when he was only 17 years old. He was 34 years old when given the title "Jagadguru" by the Kashi Vidvat Parishad, a group of Hindu scholars.
In general, styles and honorifics should not be included in front of the name. There are some exceptions: Where an honorific is so commonly attached to a name that the name is rarely found without it, it should be included. For example, the honorific may be included for "Father Coughlin" (presently at Charles Coughlin) and Mother Teresa.
I have added an infobox in the article, most of the fields are blank (foundation, literary works etc), I request a primary contributor of the article to fill these fields. If you need any help you can ping me in my talk page! -- Tito Dutta Message 17:45, 22 April 2012 (UTC)
Although the name sounds very prestigious, I could find no indication that it is a significant or noteworthy award. Generally speaking, awards mentioned in articles should only be included if they are significant to an encyclopedic understanding of the topic. Since the majority of sources I could find that mention the award are minor blurbs talking about the JKP (or JPK, as a lot of sources mistakenly call it), this doesn't appear to qualify. Since the award doesn't appear to be significant enough to have its own article ( Nelson Mandela Peace Award), this should not be included in the article, in my opinion. To be clear, nobody is denying that the JKP did receive the award, only that it should be included in the article. Grayfell ( talk) 21:31, 27 April 2014 (UTC)
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I couldn't get past the intro it was so comical. Will someone clean this up? — Sesel ( talk) 03:26, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
This sounds less like a Wikipedia article, and more like a biased glorification on their own guru. "Supreme Spiritual Master of the World, Jagadguru Shri Kripalu Ji Maharaj was the Descension of Divine Love and Bliss, Propounder of Eternal Vedic Philosophy and Reconciler of all Philosophies"
Compared to other guru's pages, this is clearly heavily biased. It desperately needs editing from someone who wants to serve Wikipedia, without the ulterior motive of glorifying their guru. 125.239.51.166 ( talk) 00:38, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
This article has been heavily edited by editors associated with the organization (such as KumarS) and several SPAs who have repeatedly moved the article to a title with several additional honorifics, removed clean-up tags, and added unreliable and primary sources and peacock-langauage to the article. The article content and sources need to be reviewed in toto by experienced editors unconnected with the subject and associated spiritual movement in order to meet wikipedia's standards to sourcing and neutrality. Abecedare ( talk) 03:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC) Abecedare ( talk) 03:28, 4 May 2023 (UTC)
@ Vikas.jehanabad, Prabhujiy, AX Parish, Fruityk, Aashishji, AX JKP, Ashishtripat, and JagadguruKripaluParishat:: can you, and any other editors who need to, please disclose any association you have/had with the subject of this article or with the Jagadguru Kripalu Parishat? Abecedare ( talk) 03:51, 4 May 2023 (UTC)