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Unless otherwise noted, the source is: "Norske Militærgeværerer etter 1867" (ISBN82-993143-1-3)
Pretty much all of chapter 5. Details of the experiemtns leading up to the half-capsule magasine, see pages 74 to 77. Details regading the testing of the early prototypes in Denmark, see pages 77 to 78. Details regarding changes brought about due to feedback from the Danes, see pages 85 to 93.
See pages 78 to 84. Good info at http://www.public.asu.edu/~roblewis/SMLE/IIID2a10b.htm retrived at 2005-01-26
See pages 89 to 91 - allthought this source is weak on this and most info has been provided by other wikipedians.
Selection of caliber, see page 94 to 96. For details on the selection and testing, see pages 95 to 113 (short paragraph on the swedes selection of the Mauser on page 108).
Despite what some people claim, the ammunition produced in Sweden and Norway are interchangeable. The norwegian round is insignificantly longer, which means that a spanking new Swedish Mauser may require a certain push on the bolthandle to chamber it completly - thats all there is. The reason the rumour has survived is, I believe, that the swedish weaponhistorian Josef Alm repeted it in a book. Perhaps he did that because he didn't bother to check the reports from "generalfelttygmestaren" and "chefen for artelleriet" - who conclude that the ammunition prodused in both nations are within the spesified parameters and interchangable - or perhaps he did that because he was angry that Norway kicked the swedes out in 1905 and went their own way... I don't know. What I do know is that any rumour to the effect that the ammunition is not interchangable is just that... a rumour. See pages 368 to 370
See chapter 18. Includes a lot of interesting stuff btw.
See chapter 19.
Taken from various chapters in the book, website mentioned under American Krag-Jørgensen variants (retrived on 2005-01-26) and from a an online discussion on homeloading for the Krag-Jørgesen (retrived 2005-01-28)
Taken from various chapters in the book, the website mentioned under Danish Krag-Jørgensen variants, and the website mentioned under American Krag-Jørgensen variants, both retrived on 2005-01-26.
Feel free to add to the list people. WegianWarrior 09:27, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The article should mention the famous U.S. song from the Philippine-American War with the verse
Infrogmation 11:24, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"All production rifles up World War 2 also featured a magazine cut-off," should this read "All production rifles up to World War 2 also featured a magazine cut-off," ?
Shoka
There is some misunderstanding of the purpose of magazine cutoffs. The theory of the time, late 19th century, was that magazine fed repeating rifles would cause infantry to "waste" ammunition by firing it too fast. The purpose of the cutoff was that infantry would fire in volley, under positive command of their NCO's and officers, a single round at a time manually fed. The magazine would be left full in case of a close charge of the enemy, in which the infantryman would be authorized to flip off the magazine cutoff and fire at will. A silly theory that took a while to leave the minds of ordnance bureaus.
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Hooray! This is now a featured article! I wish to thank everyone who contributed so far, as well as everybody giving constructive critizim and helping support it when I posted it on WP:FAC. Thank you all! WegianWarrior 07:50, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Can this be added to Category:Weapons of the United States since it was used by the United States? -- Kenyon 06:50, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
In doing a review of Geocities references (Yahoo is scheduled to close down the site later this year) I noticed several references on this article were sourced to a Norwegian gun owner's Geocities page, which would fail WP:RS unless the individual is independently recognized as an expert in the field. Similarly with another reference that appeared to be a personal homepage. Posting to talk because it's very unusual to find this in a featured article. Discussion? Durova Charge! 05:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
It strikes me as strange that a Norwegian weapon used in Norwegian service has the Danish, then the US, versions listed first. Particularly the mention of the US Krag-Jørgensens before the Norwegian ones seem to reflect a US bias. I'd suggest re-ordering such that the Norwegian is first, or at least, moving the Danish section down such that the list is in alphabetical order. 129.241.210.239 ( talk) 11:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Per Talk:Springfield_Model_1892–99#Name of article - should be redirected to Krag-Jørgensen#American_Krag-Jørgensen_rifles - seven years is long enough before merging WegianWarrior ( talk) 10:09, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
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At the Philippine Veterans Museum in Taguig, there is on display a Krag carbine which is said to have been used by Philippine guerrillas during World War II. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.105.76.54 ( talk) 09:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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Unless otherwise noted, the source is: "Norske Militærgeværerer etter 1867" (ISBN82-993143-1-3)
Pretty much all of chapter 5. Details of the experiemtns leading up to the half-capsule magasine, see pages 74 to 77. Details regading the testing of the early prototypes in Denmark, see pages 77 to 78. Details regarding changes brought about due to feedback from the Danes, see pages 85 to 93.
See pages 78 to 84. Good info at http://www.public.asu.edu/~roblewis/SMLE/IIID2a10b.htm retrived at 2005-01-26
See pages 89 to 91 - allthought this source is weak on this and most info has been provided by other wikipedians.
Selection of caliber, see page 94 to 96. For details on the selection and testing, see pages 95 to 113 (short paragraph on the swedes selection of the Mauser on page 108).
Despite what some people claim, the ammunition produced in Sweden and Norway are interchangeable. The norwegian round is insignificantly longer, which means that a spanking new Swedish Mauser may require a certain push on the bolthandle to chamber it completly - thats all there is. The reason the rumour has survived is, I believe, that the swedish weaponhistorian Josef Alm repeted it in a book. Perhaps he did that because he didn't bother to check the reports from "generalfelttygmestaren" and "chefen for artelleriet" - who conclude that the ammunition prodused in both nations are within the spesified parameters and interchangable - or perhaps he did that because he was angry that Norway kicked the swedes out in 1905 and went their own way... I don't know. What I do know is that any rumour to the effect that the ammunition is not interchangable is just that... a rumour. See pages 368 to 370
See chapter 18. Includes a lot of interesting stuff btw.
See chapter 19.
Taken from various chapters in the book, website mentioned under American Krag-Jørgensen variants (retrived on 2005-01-26) and from a an online discussion on homeloading for the Krag-Jørgesen (retrived 2005-01-28)
Taken from various chapters in the book, the website mentioned under Danish Krag-Jørgensen variants, and the website mentioned under American Krag-Jørgensen variants, both retrived on 2005-01-26.
Feel free to add to the list people. WegianWarrior 09:27, 15 Sep 2004 (UTC)
The article should mention the famous U.S. song from the Philippine-American War with the verse
Infrogmation 11:24, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
"All production rifles up World War 2 also featured a magazine cut-off," should this read "All production rifles up to World War 2 also featured a magazine cut-off," ?
Shoka
There is some misunderstanding of the purpose of magazine cutoffs. The theory of the time, late 19th century, was that magazine fed repeating rifles would cause infantry to "waste" ammunition by firing it too fast. The purpose of the cutoff was that infantry would fire in volley, under positive command of their NCO's and officers, a single round at a time manually fed. The magazine would be left full in case of a close charge of the enemy, in which the infantryman would be authorized to flip off the magazine cutoff and fire at will. A silly theory that took a while to leave the minds of ordnance bureaus.
170.186.245.72 (
talk)
22:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
Hooray! This is now a featured article! I wish to thank everyone who contributed so far, as well as everybody giving constructive critizim and helping support it when I posted it on WP:FAC. Thank you all! WegianWarrior 07:50, 4 Feb 2005 (UTC)
Can this be added to Category:Weapons of the United States since it was used by the United States? -- Kenyon 06:50, May 14, 2005 (UTC)
In doing a review of Geocities references (Yahoo is scheduled to close down the site later this year) I noticed several references on this article were sourced to a Norwegian gun owner's Geocities page, which would fail WP:RS unless the individual is independently recognized as an expert in the field. Similarly with another reference that appeared to be a personal homepage. Posting to talk because it's very unusual to find this in a featured article. Discussion? Durova Charge! 05:03, 25 April 2009 (UTC)
It strikes me as strange that a Norwegian weapon used in Norwegian service has the Danish, then the US, versions listed first. Particularly the mention of the US Krag-Jørgensens before the Norwegian ones seem to reflect a US bias. I'd suggest re-ordering such that the Norwegian is first, or at least, moving the Danish section down such that the list is in alphabetical order. 129.241.210.239 ( talk) 11:11, 18 April 2016 (UTC)
Per Talk:Springfield_Model_1892–99#Name of article - should be redirected to Krag-Jørgensen#American_Krag-Jørgensen_rifles - seven years is long enough before merging WegianWarrior ( talk) 10:09, 19 July 2016 (UTC)
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At the Philippine Veterans Museum in Taguig, there is on display a Krag carbine which is said to have been used by Philippine guerrillas during World War II. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.105.76.54 ( talk) 09:47, 30 December 2020 (UTC)