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This needs a lot of work, it's totally hagiographic in Greek POV-ish. Might wanna check out the BG edition for an entirely different view on this guy. Todor → Bozhinov 18:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
This article is too far from the historical facts. Jingby ( talk) 14:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
This is very funny yet at the same time sad, his last words were "Živja Grcija, Svoboda ili Smrt". Funny, he says in Macedonian long live Greece. And takes a direct quote from VMRO, Slobod ili Smrt, this is one confused person. :). PMK1 ( talk) 14:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
No matter what are views of the facts, the reality doesn't change. This is how things happened, weather you like it or not! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs) 20:00, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I didn't say he was always Greek because I don't know that. I just wrote that finally, he chose the Greek side, as it happened.Chrusts 09:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
He used to say to the villagers: "For us the Macedonians, there are two ways to go: the one is the Bulgarian, which is the easy way, because they promised to us money and welth, and the other is the Greek, it is the way of our heart, but it is difficult, passing through blood and fighting. I think it is worth to choose the second one." Look, nobody tries to change his ethnicity. His ethnicity is written by his actions. If you like to humiliate the Greek heroes, try it in another site.Chrusts 13:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
You are talking about the Bulgarian way of view.Chrusts 13:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The day that Markov, ordered K. Christou to kill a Greek patriarchic priest, Konstantinos Christou decided to leave IMRO and join the Greeks. That day, he loathed the Bulgarians and started to fight them. "Douglas Dakin, The Greek Struggle in Macedonia 1897-1913 (Thessaloniki, 1966)"Chrusts 15:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
I propose that we move this article to Kote Hristov or Kote Hristov Sarovski. Does anyone agree with this notion? PMK1 ( talk) 13:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree at all. We are talking for a man who is a hero to the Greeks and traitor to the Bulgarians. Why should we adopt the Bulgarian point of view?Chrusts 13:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
We use the Greek name because he died for Greece. When he was arrested, the Greek consule of Monastiri tried to liberate him. 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 05:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
My proof for what? 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 09:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC) Proof is his words. Or better read memoirs of Georgios Christou Modis 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 10:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I have to scan it first. I don't know if there is on internet. There are some references here:
http://clubs.pathfinder.gr/MAKEDONIKOS_AGON/572690
but they are in Greek.Chrusts 11:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
http://www.promacedonia.org/en/lyngos/gm_ms7.html. Something from Modis' writings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 12:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there any evidence of the Bulgarian or FYROM point of view about his ethnicity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 14:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
For us the Macedonians, it is a great honor if someone call us Grecoman. Are you sure that Grecomans are not Greeks? Now about the oxymoron: There are turkish-speaking Greeks, albanian-speaking Greeks, latin-speaking Greeks, russian-speaking Greeks, hindi-speaking Greeks etc. It is obvious that there can exist slavic-speaking Greeks, also. Those slavic-speaking Greeks were the core of the Macedonian struggle. Macedonia's freedom is owed to Macedonian slavophone Greeks.Chrusts 20:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
His dialect was local slavic dialect of village Roulia. "Zivjia Gritsja. Slovoda i smir." Was the exact phrase as he told it. Ask the older villagers of village Kottas, now. Why should we argue to this? Can't you accept local dialects or only the official languages? Why don't you co-operate with reality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
No. I just read it like this, in several books. Maybe you are right.Chrusts 07:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
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Jingiby Ref 21 (Modes 2004, p. 44) one of the four cited sources for the statement says σλαβόφωνος which means slavophone. Also Greek historiography calls people like Kottas Slavic speakers without delving deeper into whether they spoke Bulgarian or something else. Either way I am not going to waste time arguing over something so trivial, I am just making a factual statement. Catlemur ( talk) 08:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)
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This needs a lot of work, it's totally hagiographic in Greek POV-ish. Might wanna check out the BG edition for an entirely different view on this guy. Todor → Bozhinov 18:08, 11 April 2009 (UTC)
This article is too far from the historical facts. Jingby ( talk) 14:34, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
This is very funny yet at the same time sad, his last words were "Živja Grcija, Svoboda ili Smrt". Funny, he says in Macedonian long live Greece. And takes a direct quote from VMRO, Slobod ili Smrt, this is one confused person. :). PMK1 ( talk) 14:29, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
No matter what are views of the facts, the reality doesn't change. This is how things happened, weather you like it or not! —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs) 20:00, 12 April 2009 (UTC)
I didn't say he was always Greek because I don't know that. I just wrote that finally, he chose the Greek side, as it happened.Chrusts 09:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
He used to say to the villagers: "For us the Macedonians, there are two ways to go: the one is the Bulgarian, which is the easy way, because they promised to us money and welth, and the other is the Greek, it is the way of our heart, but it is difficult, passing through blood and fighting. I think it is worth to choose the second one." Look, nobody tries to change his ethnicity. His ethnicity is written by his actions. If you like to humiliate the Greek heroes, try it in another site.Chrusts 13:27, 13 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
You are talking about the Bulgarian way of view.Chrusts 13:44, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
The day that Markov, ordered K. Christou to kill a Greek patriarchic priest, Konstantinos Christou decided to leave IMRO and join the Greeks. That day, he loathed the Bulgarians and started to fight them. "Douglas Dakin, The Greek Struggle in Macedonia 1897-1913 (Thessaloniki, 1966)"Chrusts 15:34, 13 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
I propose that we move this article to Kote Hristov or Kote Hristov Sarovski. Does anyone agree with this notion? PMK1 ( talk) 13:43, 13 April 2009 (UTC)
I don't agree at all. We are talking for a man who is a hero to the Greeks and traitor to the Bulgarians. Why should we adopt the Bulgarian point of view?Chrusts 13:48, 13 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
We use the Greek name because he died for Greece. When he was arrested, the Greek consule of Monastiri tried to liberate him. 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 05:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
My proof for what? 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 09:20, 14 April 2009 (UTC) Proof is his words. Or better read memoirs of Georgios Christou Modis 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 10:37, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
I have to scan it first. I don't know if there is on internet. There are some references here:
http://clubs.pathfinder.gr/MAKEDONIKOS_AGON/572690
but they are in Greek.Chrusts 11:31, 14 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
http://www.promacedonia.org/en/lyngos/gm_ms7.html. Something from Modis' writings. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 12:52, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
Is there any evidence of the Bulgarian or FYROM point of view about his ethnicity? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 94.67.154.136 ( talk) 14:54, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
For us the Macedonians, it is a great honor if someone call us Grecoman. Are you sure that Grecomans are not Greeks? Now about the oxymoron: There are turkish-speaking Greeks, albanian-speaking Greeks, latin-speaking Greeks, russian-speaking Greeks, hindi-speaking Greeks etc. It is obvious that there can exist slavic-speaking Greeks, also. Those slavic-speaking Greeks were the core of the Macedonian struggle. Macedonia's freedom is owed to Macedonian slavophone Greeks.Chrusts 20:16, 24 April 2009 (UTC)
His dialect was local slavic dialect of village Roulia. "Zivjia Gritsja. Slovoda i smir." Was the exact phrase as he told it. Ask the older villagers of village Kottas, now. Why should we argue to this? Can't you accept local dialects or only the official languages? Why don't you co-operate with reality? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs) 15:21, 14 April 2009 (UTC)
No. I just read it like this, in several books. Maybe you are right.Chrusts 07:11, 15 April 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyraechmes ( talk • contribs)
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Jingiby Ref 21 (Modes 2004, p. 44) one of the four cited sources for the statement says σλαβόφωνος which means slavophone. Also Greek historiography calls people like Kottas Slavic speakers without delving deeper into whether they spoke Bulgarian or something else. Either way I am not going to waste time arguing over something so trivial, I am just making a factual statement. Catlemur ( talk) 08:55, 11 February 2023 (UTC)