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Why was this article moved to Koichi Yamadera when the WP:MOS-JA clearly states it should be at Kōichi Yamadera? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon jo e 23:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
"Spelling, including macron usage, of the name of a modern figure should adhere to the following, in order of preference:
1. Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet; 2. Use the form found in a dictionary entry from a generally-accepted English dictionary; 3. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world; 4. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in any other popular Latin-alphabet-using language (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, German, and Dutch, or variations); or 5. If none of the above is available, use the macronned form.
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If you want, I can get proof that his trade name = Koichi Yamadera. WhisperToMe 05:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.cowboybebop.org/english/session/first/index.html - This archive of the official CB site = Koichi Yamadera WhisperToMe 05:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, see on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?ie=UTF8&index=dvd-uk&field-keywords=Koichi%20Yamadera&page=1 WhisperToMe 05:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, Nihonjoe, it's a deja vu: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Nihonjoe&diff=61301584&oldid=61301261 WhisperToMe 05:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
According to the summary Patrick Schwemmer moved Mifune on April 13 [1] (Rationale: moved Toshiro Mifune to Toshirō Mifune over redirect: I feel the distinction between long and short vowels is crucial in Japanese, and English article titles should reflect this difference.). I moved it back today :) WhisperToMe 06:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
2. Yamadera does not have to explicitly state "I want my name to be romanized like this" in order for the official romanizations to count.
Behalf is defined by Merriam-Webster as http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Behalf : "A body of opinion favors in with the “interest, benefit” sense of behalf and on with the “support, defense” sense. This distinction has been observed by some writers but overall has never had a sound basis in actual usage. In current British use, on behalf (of) has replaced in behalf (of); both are still used in American English, but the distinction is frequently not observed." WhisperToMe 20:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
So, does this mean the discussion is closed? If so, I will move the page back in three days. WhisperToMe 04:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Please add that he started this month the much awaited role of Kenshiro Kasumi, the uncle of Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star's hero of the same name in it's prequel anime, Souten no Ken.
Any word on who, if anyone, he plays in Dialga VS Palkia VS Darkrai?
I've called an RFC over this question of whether some 75% of this article should comprise a bare list of titles on which this actor has worked. In my opinion such a list is quite unnecessary. Only his most significant work needs to be recorded, not for instance every single film in which he has dubbed a voice. -- TS 14:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
How about this? First we reference everything we can from any available reliable sources. We remove those items that aren't yet referenced, moving them to this talk page if desired. When a given item becomes reliably sourced, it goes into the article. -- TS 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
These can be added back to the main page after sources have been found. I've made a good start on it. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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according to shrek wiki, he dubs the role of Donkey. Masterball2 ( talk) 17:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 22:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Kōichi Yamadera → Koichi Yamadera – According to WP:JTITLE, articles about Japanese people should use the romanization used officially by the person and their agency, unless another romanization clearly dominates in reputable English texts.
"Koichi Yamadera" without a macron is used on his agency's site, JFDB and the English posters and press notes for films and series including Lupin III: The First, A Letter to Momo, Appleseed XIII, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex – Solid State Society, and Angel Heart, as well as on Netflix.
I can see that a discussion about moving the article back to "Koichi Yamadera" was started before, 15 years ago, but the process was blocked by people who either didn't understand the rules or were willfully ignoring them because they disagreed with the rules. Disagreeing with the rules is a valid stance, but if you think the rules are wrong then you should try to get the rules changed, not block people who are just following what the rules currently are. All that does is reflect badly on oneself. Tempjrds ( talk) 01:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
How do we add his history of racism? Every time I list it seems to get deleted and yes there’s video evidence of this 108.30.129.171 ( talk) 13:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
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Why was this article moved to Koichi Yamadera when the WP:MOS-JA clearly states it should be at Kōichi Yamadera? ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihon jo e 23:47, 22 May 2006 (UTC)
"Spelling, including macron usage, of the name of a modern figure should adhere to the following, in order of preference:
1. Use the official trade name if available in English/Latin alphabet; 2. Use the form found in a dictionary entry from a generally-accepted English dictionary; 3. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in the English-speaking world; 4. Use the form publicly used on behalf of the person in any other popular Latin-alphabet-using language (French, Spanish, Italian, Portuguese, German, and Dutch, or variations); or 5. If none of the above is available, use the macronned form.
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If you want, I can get proof that his trade name = Koichi Yamadera. WhisperToMe 05:11, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
http://www.cowboybebop.org/english/session/first/index.html - This archive of the official CB site = Koichi Yamadera WhisperToMe 05:19, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, see on Amazon: http://www.amazon.co.uk/s?ie=UTF8&index=dvd-uk&field-keywords=Koichi%20Yamadera&page=1 WhisperToMe 05:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
Also, Nihonjoe, it's a deja vu: http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=User_talk:Nihonjoe&diff=61301584&oldid=61301261 WhisperToMe 05:28, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
According to the summary Patrick Schwemmer moved Mifune on April 13 [1] (Rationale: moved Toshiro Mifune to Toshirō Mifune over redirect: I feel the distinction between long and short vowels is crucial in Japanese, and English article titles should reflect this difference.). I moved it back today :) WhisperToMe 06:04, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
2. Yamadera does not have to explicitly state "I want my name to be romanized like this" in order for the official romanizations to count.
Behalf is defined by Merriam-Webster as http://mw1.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/Behalf : "A body of opinion favors in with the “interest, benefit” sense of behalf and on with the “support, defense” sense. This distinction has been observed by some writers but overall has never had a sound basis in actual usage. In current British use, on behalf (of) has replaced in behalf (of); both are still used in American English, but the distinction is frequently not observed." WhisperToMe 20:22, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
So, does this mean the discussion is closed? If so, I will move the page back in three days. WhisperToMe 04:46, 12 May 2007 (UTC)
Please add that he started this month the much awaited role of Kenshiro Kasumi, the uncle of Hokuto no Ken/Fist of the North Star's hero of the same name in it's prequel anime, Souten no Ken.
Any word on who, if anyone, he plays in Dialga VS Palkia VS Darkrai?
I've called an RFC over this question of whether some 75% of this article should comprise a bare list of titles on which this actor has worked. In my opinion such a list is quite unnecessary. Only his most significant work needs to be recorded, not for instance every single film in which he has dubbed a voice. -- TS 14:57, 20 February 2008 (UTC)
How about this? First we reference everything we can from any available reliable sources. We remove those items that aren't yet referenced, moving them to this talk page if desired. When a given item becomes reliably sourced, it goes into the article. -- TS 14:56, 21 February 2008 (UTC)
These can be added back to the main page after sources have been found. I've made a good start on it. ··· 日本穣 ? · Talk to Nihonjoe 10:39, 23 February 2008 (UTC)
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according to shrek wiki, he dubs the role of Donkey. Masterball2 ( talk) 17:30, 29 September 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Skarmory (talk • contribs) 22:19, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Kōichi Yamadera → Koichi Yamadera – According to WP:JTITLE, articles about Japanese people should use the romanization used officially by the person and their agency, unless another romanization clearly dominates in reputable English texts.
"Koichi Yamadera" without a macron is used on his agency's site, JFDB and the English posters and press notes for films and series including Lupin III: The First, A Letter to Momo, Appleseed XIII, Ghost in the Shell: Stand Alone Complex – Solid State Society, and Angel Heart, as well as on Netflix.
I can see that a discussion about moving the article back to "Koichi Yamadera" was started before, 15 years ago, but the process was blocked by people who either didn't understand the rules or were willfully ignoring them because they disagreed with the rules. Disagreeing with the rules is a valid stance, but if you think the rules are wrong then you should try to get the rules changed, not block people who are just following what the rules currently are. All that does is reflect badly on oneself. Tempjrds ( talk) 01:17, 3 April 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. 🐶 EpicPupper (he/him | talk) 21:52, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
How do we add his history of racism? Every time I list it seems to get deleted and yes there’s video evidence of this 108.30.129.171 ( talk) 13:04, 7 May 2022 (UTC)