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This article is full of archaic POV from the 1911 Britannica and badly needs updating - MPF 11:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
I've done a partial rewrite. Still need to sort out or check;
Imc 16:22, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
I think there ought to be two links to maps. The new link points to a map that is very unreadble on my browser. -- BostonMA 21:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
In connection with the map of kodagu taluka wise, i have such a map from the karnataka state small industries corporation website. can i upload the same ? i dont think this should be copyright infringement. 203.199.21.59 04:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
You KannadigasKodaga State your full name address and we can meet
Hi, This article is being vandalised on daily basis, the anon ip has been already twiced warned and again today i left the msg on his talk page. if vandalism keeps continuing we will have to report the matter to admin.
Hello. My apologies for not making myself aware that this talk page was being used, before making recent changes. I've only got enough time just now to comment on the 'State of Coorg' section, which I removed yesterday. Previously, I removed the history section, because someone else had already created another History of Kodagu page with the same content. The historic State of Coorg is history, and it belongs there. However, I put in mention of the current autonomy movement. If someone can provide enough material to make it a separate section, then please do so. Imc 07:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
To add to the confusion, all the state govt. sites call the district as medikere, neither coorg nor kodagu. Can anyone tell us if the name is officially changed ?
Arunk17
05:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
No. It is not changed, not even unofficially. It is the lack of knowledge that makes people call it Madikeri. Madikeri is the district HQ -- Wikicheng 04:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I've twice recently removed the suggestions that Kodavas may have originated in the Middle East or with the Greeks. Several other theories exist, most with little evidence. There is a little evidence for the Middle East origin and it could reasonably go in if a clear source stating the evidence was quoted. There is no evidence that I know of for the Alexander's army theory, except repeated conjectures that keep floating round the internet. As far as I can make out, it is just somebody's fancy and probably originate in those Kodava who would like to think of themselves as a little bit European. The unsubstantiated theories have no place anywhere with encyclopaedic pretensions (unless they are examples of thinking without evidence). Imc 22:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
We do not care what you have removed, however, fact remains
No I have seen Kodavas who were embarrassed to know that they could have European/Greek bloodline as they declare with no uncertain terms that they are the original inhabitants of India and the coorg land. So it is wrong to say it is somebody's fancy but a recent research has seen similarities between few traditional Greek and Kodava words like Okka for family and Aine Mane for a traditional family home.
The DED seems to suggest that the name "Kodagu" possibly has some connection with "west" (The relevant entries are 1649 and 2203). At any rate, the fact that this term seems to go back to Proto-Dravidian (note that it treats " Kurukh" and " Kodagu" as coming from the same root) would seem to rule out the etymologies which this article suggests, so perhaps the best way forward is to remove them unless they're confirmed by a reliable linguistic source? -- Arvind 23:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm copyediting this page, and there's one sentence that I'm taking out which refers to a threat that globalisation poses to the region. I'm removing it because it is unspecific and unsourced, but I think it would be a good idea for someone to check that out and see if it needs to be included in the article. Kleio08 ( talk) 18:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Just to let you all know I'm back at work. If I accidentally alter or delete information, please wait 2-3 days before editing/correcting so I can finish the wording. BTW: the ancient and modern Hebrew name for Greece was Yavan, if this has any bearing on ethnic origins. Thank you all, Shir-El too 21:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Copyedit finished. Good Luck, Shir-El too 23:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I cannot see that coorgcreek.com [1] can be considered a reliable source. Hence I've removed it from references; though there may still be material that is not supported except on this website. Imc ( talk) 21:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I personally prefer the use of the local name (in Kodava takk and in Kannada) Kodagu over the anglicised word Coorg. But as many people, especially outside Karnataka, are unaware of the name Kodagu and instead know of Coorg as being a popular tourist destination i had used both terms. However one must remember that Kodagu is the older and more authentic name, the word Coorg arose from callous mispronunciation. There are many theories regarding the origin of the words Kodagu and Kodava but most of them are mythical hence they can't be verified. However they all have the same root 'Koda-'. This must be analogous to 'Tulu' (as in Tuluva and Tulunad).
Also many people lay stress on the foriegn origins of the Kodavas. Till date that hasn't been proved, instead it is known from ancient inscriptions that the Kodavas lived in the same land Kodagu from many centuries. Both the Kodavas and Kodagu have similar names, one arose from the other, hence they have very ancient ties. Also one must not forget that there were several smaller-numbered communities of Kodagu who were similar to them while belonging to different castes and social classes : Amma Kodavas (Brahminised), Kodagu Gowdas (Vokkaliga), Heggades (agricultural), Airis (artisan), Kodava Moplah (Muslim), Poleyas (Dalit), Yeravas (tribal), Betta Kurubas (tribal), etc. Many Thanks. Theonlynitin ( talk) 08:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
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This article was moved as above without discussion. There is no convention that districts must have the word 'district' after their name. There is the Wikipedia convention that names should be the standard common form. I am therefore requesting that this be moved back to Kodagu. Imc ( talk) 17:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Kodagu district → Kodagu relisted -- Mike Cline ( talk) 12:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC) – Reversion of undiscussed move, to standard name that is valid in accordance with naming policies. Imc ( talk) 18:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Oppose. Kodagu is also used (with whatever disputed accuracy) to refer to a language or a group of languages. Why not Kodagu, Karnataka? That would be immediately informative and genuinely helpful to readers who know nothing about the term or the topic. The present title at least lets us know that the article is geographical: not literary, linguistic, or whatever else. Noetica Tea? 21:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
The name Kodagu, without disambiguation, is in accordance with WP:Name and WP:D.
The disambiguation provided by the addition of 'district' is unnecessary and superfluous. The rare instances quoted of the incorrect use of Kodagu for the language are not significant.
There has been a restatement that the names of districts should be standardised, with 'district' added. Since most districts are named after cities and towns, it is necessary in those cases, but not here. This desire for standardisation of names here is imposing a condition that is not justified by WP policies, has not been discussed, and does not occur in real life (a somewhat similar case is the frequent unnecessary addition of the term 'river' in Wikipedia even where it is not used in practice, but at least that is justified in the relevant naming conventions). This move was never discussed, and some of the contributors to this discussion have been making such moves previously without discussion to adhere to this newly stated convention. For the record, I am aware that both the districts of Dakshina Kannada and Uttara Kannada were named just that till recently, and they were were renamed to include the term 'district' without discussion, something that I agree that I have reverted. I would have challenged these originally had I been watching these pages. Google hits mean little here. I've just tried 'State of Coorg' and that produced over a million hits, more than twice as much as 'Kodagu district'.
Imc ( talk) 18:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I removed the content posted by Sajansubbaiah on 9 March 2012 because it appears to have been copied verbatim from http://www.languageinindia.com/oct2001/kodavarajyashree.html without any indication of its copyright status. Imc ( talk) 19:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Copyediting and cleanup in progress. I am removing the tags when I am done. Tnx. Kanga Roo in the Zoo ( talk) 07:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC) Those who want to read about the History of Kodagu are redirected to a different link History of Kodagu. Non-Kodava communities have been mentioned. These include the Hindus other than the native Kodavas and the other Kodava language speakers, the forest dwellers, the Kannada speakers, the Malayalam speakers, the Christians and the Muslims. Kanga Roo in the Zoo ( talk) 07:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
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In the history section it says that British rule "led to establishment of educational institutions" and "better governance". The first statement means that there were no educational institutions before the British came in which cannot be true. The second one is a judgemental statement. Pareshbh ( talk) 21:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
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I wish to request you, change the introduction paragraph as there are some grammatical errors.
→The original paragraph is: It occupies an area of 4,102 square kilometres (1,584 sq mi) in the Western Ghats of southwestern Karnataka. In 2001 its population was 548,561, 13.74% of which resided in the district's urban centre, making it the least populous of the 31 districts in Karnataka.
The nearest railway stations are Mysore Junction, located around 95 km away and Thalassery and Kannur in Kerala, at a distance of 79 km. The nearest airports are Kannur International Airport in Kerala (59 km from Kodagu) and Mangalore International Airport (118 km from Kodagu).
→but the correct version is:
It occupies an area of 4,102 square kilometers (1,584 sq mi) in the Western Ghats of southwestern Karnataka. In 2001 its population was 548,561, 13.74% of which resided in the district's urban center, making it the least populous of the 31 districts in Karnataka.
The nearest railway stations are Mysore Junction, located around 95 km away, and Thalassery and Kannur in Kerala, 79 km. The nearest airports are Kannur International Airport in Kerala (59 km from Kodagu) and Mangalore International Airport (118 km from Kodagu).
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This article is full of archaic POV from the 1911 Britannica and badly needs updating - MPF 11:06, 3 December 2005 (UTC)
I've done a partial rewrite. Still need to sort out or check;
Imc 16:22, 26 December 2005 (UTC)
I think there ought to be two links to maps. The new link points to a map that is very unreadble on my browser. -- BostonMA 21:38, 27 January 2006 (UTC)
In connection with the map of kodagu taluka wise, i have such a map from the karnataka state small industries corporation website. can i upload the same ? i dont think this should be copyright infringement. 203.199.21.59 04:58, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
You KannadigasKodaga State your full name address and we can meet
Hi, This article is being vandalised on daily basis, the anon ip has been already twiced warned and again today i left the msg on his talk page. if vandalism keeps continuing we will have to report the matter to admin.
Hello. My apologies for not making myself aware that this talk page was being used, before making recent changes. I've only got enough time just now to comment on the 'State of Coorg' section, which I removed yesterday. Previously, I removed the history section, because someone else had already created another History of Kodagu page with the same content. The historic State of Coorg is history, and it belongs there. However, I put in mention of the current autonomy movement. If someone can provide enough material to make it a separate section, then please do so. Imc 07:17, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
To add to the confusion, all the state govt. sites call the district as medikere, neither coorg nor kodagu. Can anyone tell us if the name is officially changed ?
Arunk17
05:02, 30 September 2006 (UTC)
No. It is not changed, not even unofficially. It is the lack of knowledge that makes people call it Madikeri. Madikeri is the district HQ -- Wikicheng 04:50, 13 November 2006 (UTC)
I've twice recently removed the suggestions that Kodavas may have originated in the Middle East or with the Greeks. Several other theories exist, most with little evidence. There is a little evidence for the Middle East origin and it could reasonably go in if a clear source stating the evidence was quoted. There is no evidence that I know of for the Alexander's army theory, except repeated conjectures that keep floating round the internet. As far as I can make out, it is just somebody's fancy and probably originate in those Kodava who would like to think of themselves as a little bit European. The unsubstantiated theories have no place anywhere with encyclopaedic pretensions (unless they are examples of thinking without evidence). Imc 22:08, 13 June 2006 (UTC)
We do not care what you have removed, however, fact remains
No I have seen Kodavas who were embarrassed to know that they could have European/Greek bloodline as they declare with no uncertain terms that they are the original inhabitants of India and the coorg land. So it is wrong to say it is somebody's fancy but a recent research has seen similarities between few traditional Greek and Kodava words like Okka for family and Aine Mane for a traditional family home.
The DED seems to suggest that the name "Kodagu" possibly has some connection with "west" (The relevant entries are 1649 and 2203). At any rate, the fact that this term seems to go back to Proto-Dravidian (note that it treats " Kurukh" and " Kodagu" as coming from the same root) would seem to rule out the etymologies which this article suggests, so perhaps the best way forward is to remove them unless they're confirmed by a reliable linguistic source? -- Arvind 23:53, 29 September 2007 (UTC)
I'm copyediting this page, and there's one sentence that I'm taking out which refers to a threat that globalisation poses to the region. I'm removing it because it is unspecific and unsourced, but I think it would be a good idea for someone to check that out and see if it needs to be included in the article. Kleio08 ( talk) 18:37, 12 June 2008 (UTC)
Just to let you all know I'm back at work. If I accidentally alter or delete information, please wait 2-3 days before editing/correcting so I can finish the wording. BTW: the ancient and modern Hebrew name for Greece was Yavan, if this has any bearing on ethnic origins. Thank you all, Shir-El too 21:03, 24 June 2008 (UTC) Copyedit finished. Good Luck, Shir-El too 23:29, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
I cannot see that coorgcreek.com [1] can be considered a reliable source. Hence I've removed it from references; though there may still be material that is not supported except on this website. Imc ( talk) 21:24, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
Hi, I personally prefer the use of the local name (in Kodava takk and in Kannada) Kodagu over the anglicised word Coorg. But as many people, especially outside Karnataka, are unaware of the name Kodagu and instead know of Coorg as being a popular tourist destination i had used both terms. However one must remember that Kodagu is the older and more authentic name, the word Coorg arose from callous mispronunciation. There are many theories regarding the origin of the words Kodagu and Kodava but most of them are mythical hence they can't be verified. However they all have the same root 'Koda-'. This must be analogous to 'Tulu' (as in Tuluva and Tulunad).
Also many people lay stress on the foriegn origins of the Kodavas. Till date that hasn't been proved, instead it is known from ancient inscriptions that the Kodavas lived in the same land Kodagu from many centuries. Both the Kodavas and Kodagu have similar names, one arose from the other, hence they have very ancient ties. Also one must not forget that there were several smaller-numbered communities of Kodagu who were similar to them while belonging to different castes and social classes : Amma Kodavas (Brahminised), Kodagu Gowdas (Vokkaliga), Heggades (agricultural), Airis (artisan), Kodava Moplah (Muslim), Poleyas (Dalit), Yeravas (tribal), Betta Kurubas (tribal), etc. Many Thanks. Theonlynitin ( talk) 08:06, 18 August 2011 (UTC)
I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Kodagu's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "demographics":
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT ⚡ 03:48, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
This article was moved as above without discussion. There is no convention that districts must have the word 'district' after their name. There is the Wikipedia convention that names should be the standard common form. I am therefore requesting that this be moved back to Kodagu. Imc ( talk) 17:59, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
No consensus to move. Vegaswikian ( talk) 03:54, 4 December 2011 (UTC)
Kodagu district → Kodagu relisted -- Mike Cline ( talk) 12:19, 27 November 2011 (UTC) – Reversion of undiscussed move, to standard name that is valid in accordance with naming policies. Imc ( talk) 18:03, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
Oppose. Kodagu is also used (with whatever disputed accuracy) to refer to a language or a group of languages. Why not Kodagu, Karnataka? That would be immediately informative and genuinely helpful to readers who know nothing about the term or the topic. The present title at least lets us know that the article is geographical: not literary, linguistic, or whatever else. Noetica Tea? 21:31, 18 November 2011 (UTC)
The name Kodagu, without disambiguation, is in accordance with WP:Name and WP:D.
The disambiguation provided by the addition of 'district' is unnecessary and superfluous. The rare instances quoted of the incorrect use of Kodagu for the language are not significant.
There has been a restatement that the names of districts should be standardised, with 'district' added. Since most districts are named after cities and towns, it is necessary in those cases, but not here. This desire for standardisation of names here is imposing a condition that is not justified by WP policies, has not been discussed, and does not occur in real life (a somewhat similar case is the frequent unnecessary addition of the term 'river' in Wikipedia even where it is not used in practice, but at least that is justified in the relevant naming conventions). This move was never discussed, and some of the contributors to this discussion have been making such moves previously without discussion to adhere to this newly stated convention. For the record, I am aware that both the districts of Dakshina Kannada and Uttara Kannada were named just that till recently, and they were were renamed to include the term 'district' without discussion, something that I agree that I have reverted. I would have challenged these originally had I been watching these pages. Google hits mean little here. I've just tried 'State of Coorg' and that produced over a million hits, more than twice as much as 'Kodagu district'.
Imc ( talk) 18:05, 19 November 2011 (UTC)
I removed the content posted by Sajansubbaiah on 9 March 2012 because it appears to have been copied verbatim from http://www.languageinindia.com/oct2001/kodavarajyashree.html without any indication of its copyright status. Imc ( talk) 19:58, 22 February 2013 (UTC)
Copyediting and cleanup in progress. I am removing the tags when I am done. Tnx. Kanga Roo in the Zoo ( talk) 07:03, 27 July 2014 (UTC) Those who want to read about the History of Kodagu are redirected to a different link History of Kodagu. Non-Kodava communities have been mentioned. These include the Hindus other than the native Kodavas and the other Kodava language speakers, the forest dwellers, the Kannada speakers, the Malayalam speakers, the Christians and the Muslims. Kanga Roo in the Zoo ( talk) 07:47, 27 July 2014 (UTC)
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In the history section it says that British rule "led to establishment of educational institutions" and "better governance". The first statement means that there were no educational institutions before the British came in which cannot be true. The second one is a judgemental statement. Pareshbh ( talk) 21:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC)
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I wish to request you, change the introduction paragraph as there are some grammatical errors.
→The original paragraph is: It occupies an area of 4,102 square kilometres (1,584 sq mi) in the Western Ghats of southwestern Karnataka. In 2001 its population was 548,561, 13.74% of which resided in the district's urban centre, making it the least populous of the 31 districts in Karnataka.
The nearest railway stations are Mysore Junction, located around 95 km away and Thalassery and Kannur in Kerala, at a distance of 79 km. The nearest airports are Kannur International Airport in Kerala (59 km from Kodagu) and Mangalore International Airport (118 km from Kodagu).
→but the correct version is:
It occupies an area of 4,102 square kilometers (1,584 sq mi) in the Western Ghats of southwestern Karnataka. In 2001 its population was 548,561, 13.74% of which resided in the district's urban center, making it the least populous of the 31 districts in Karnataka.
The nearest railway stations are Mysore Junction, located around 95 km away, and Thalassery and Kannur in Kerala, 79 km. The nearest airports are Kannur International Airport in Kerala (59 km from Kodagu) and Mangalore International Airport (118 km from Kodagu).
Kookie kiki ( talk) 16:22, 28 September 2022 (UTC)