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Whether you are asserting a positive or a negative point, keeping a neutral POV is vital for an encyclopedia article. EVERY city in this world have a slum. EVERY city have broken roads. EVERY city have traffic problems. EVERY city have poverty. Then getting hold of some of that information and adding that to the page does not constitute a neutral POV.
The opposite is also true. EVERY city would have a nice segment of road, a nice building, or a scenic location. Highlighting that also does not constitute a neutral POV.
In order to qualify for inclusion in the encyclopedia page, the information must add some value to the page. Stating/proving Kochi has a slum, with a few tents pitched in an open ground, doesn't add any value, and it is not neutral POV, because every city have them, and nothing special about it.
If you want, get the official statistics of the slum dwellers by number, show that it is a significant percentage of the population, and THEN use the picture to support that.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 10:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
See the following links as you enquired . http://www.corporationofcochin.net/ksudp/poverty.html http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/shoberg/1/1263590407/a-stream-outside-one-of-the-slums.jpg/tpod.html http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/shoberg/1/1263590407/in-a-shanty-house-in-the-slums.jpg/tpod.html http://staffcommunity.com/showthread.php?t=180
Hope now I can edit this..
-- Induzcreed ( talk) 05:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
None of the links give any information leading to the conclusion that there is a slum problem in the city that is different from other cities in the country.
First link is the policy statement of the corporation. It appears that you haven't read the article of the second and third photo links, because those are from MUMBAI, not Kochi. the flourth link is a forum post, which itself is not acceptable per Wikipedia stds, and it is talking about building housing for the poor.
None of this gives any notion that slums is a major, or unique feature of Kochi. In order to satisfy the content needs of wikipedia for inclusion of that picture, you must prove the following:
1. Slums is either a major, or unique feature of the city, compared to other similar cities. The links posted by you does not come anywhere near that. 2. The picture has a traceable license.
Do that, and then edit the article please. Happy editing.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 07:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
The corporation of Cochin states that there are 280 slums in the city. And there are plans to eradicate that. Apart from the identified slums, there are many more slums created by the labors from other states. This is well evident and the website of corporation of cochin is a valid citation. If you want, I can provide more citations from Kerala Government’s slum eradication programme.
In most cities, slums are there. This doesn't mean that it should not be told here. And it is an unique feature for Kochi in the sense that it holds the most number of slums in Kerala. If there are slums in Kochi, why you are fighting to hide that? It seems that you want to glorify the city you represent. Same time, I want to put the facts for the city I represent. So, there is a diferrence in view point. And, it is evident that the POV you are putting forward is not NEUTRAL. You and your friends do not want to mention Kochi as the second largest city behind the capital means you are not NEUTRAL. You do not want to publish any negative things of the city, means you are not NEUTRAL.
I am not removing any positive things with citations from the article. I am not adding any negative things without citations. So, how can you tell that I am not neutral? I request you to follow an unbiased view point here. This article should not be for ADVERTISING THE CITY. It should hold both NEGATIVE and POSITIVE facts.
Also, please do not post lies here about the license of the picture. If you have any problem with the license of the picture, do report it in the Creative Commons or in the Image Description Page. I am not the one who uploaded it and took license for it.
Enjoy Editing. Thanks. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 10:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, if your point is that Kochi has the most number of slums in Kerala, you sure can add that information with the citations.
About the image, no, you can not use that image without proper license. The fact that someone else uploaded it without license, does not mean you can use it unhindered.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 11:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Please check before you reply. The image is already licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.
Check out the image if you are in doubt.
Thanks -- Induzcreed ( talk) 13:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
If you want to make a point, add the citation please. Title of an image from a wiki source is not a citation. Link the corporation article (if that is what you want to use as reference) and make your assertion the fact based on that.
The source of that image is not verified. It is not clear if the original uploader had the right to do so. DileepKS69 ( talk) 13:49, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 00:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 04:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC) The same phrase is already there in the image description itself..I don't think it should be removed. Why I should oblige to a un-genuine request? You mean to say local people stays in such shabby areas ? I believe not. It is the migrant labourers. Thanks. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 05:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC) OK.If you are particular about reference than those in the image itself please fidn these links http://www.hindu.com/2007/10/09/stories/2007100960020300.htm http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/81252/ I think these will be more than you required..Now I'm reverting back to the old..Please don't do the edit war again.Please. Thanks and enjoy editing other than this. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 07:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
The tent dwellers are not labourers. They do rag picking, panhandling and such occupations. Only a very small part of the BPL population live in those tents. In fact I am afraid that they don't even feature in the records.
Given these facts, your reference could not be accepted.
I deny any allegation of edit war. All I am asking is a reference to the phrase Hundreds of people, mostly comprising migrant labourers from other states of India who come to the city seeking job prospects, live in such shabby areas.. I have removed the phrase only after giving you ample time and opportunity to provide the reference. You sir, on the other hand, have added the disputed phrase back unilaterally, quoting links that does not give any substance. If someone is doing edit war, I am sorry to say, that would be yourself.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 09:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Initially,your dispute was about the license of the image,then was the phrase.When a valid reference give you cannot accept that and telling that the people shown in the picture are not labourers.How can you tell that? Anyway no more dipute in that.Here's a more valid reference than a newspaper news. http://csesindia.org/admin/modules/cms/docs/publication/16.pdf
Hope now you are happy with this.
Thanks.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Induzcreed ( talk • contribs) 01:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I invite the opinion of other learned editors on this. 3% of the undocumented slum dwellers, which would be a feeble minority of the total slum dwellers, lives in shanties. Does that qualify for a photograph?
DileepKS69 ( talk) 03:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC) FYI,It is not me who has taken the photograph and uploaded in the wiki under the license and not me who has given the image description.It is the photographer himself given that.You can verify that. Also,a study is conducted on a sample basis not a full mass.
-- Induzcreed ( talk) 17:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear DileepKS69,
The study is conducted only on the Tamil migrant labourers in the city. It does not cover other state labourers from Karnataka, Maharashtra, Bihar, Bengal, etc. I was providing you a sample, since you were so adamant about a reference. You can find more references in the internet. Also, in an attempt to support your blind claim, you are LYING here and HIDING facts regarding the percentage of people lives in verandah of shops. The study says that 7.8% of the people(those who are single) lives in Verandah of shops. And the photograph is not a Verandah of any shop; it is about a slum like dwelling. Also, nowhere in the study asserts that only 3% live in shanties.
The study says “ They live in shanty houses/rooms in slum like localities often on a sharing basis. A few of them live on verandas of shops. They have limited access to sanitation facilities and safe water. Their practices of waste disposal pose problems of public health and environment. Their working and living conditions and habits make them suffer from a number of diseases. But their access to public services like health and education is limited. They enjoy very limited protection from labour laws. ”
The study cements again, “ Most of the migrant workers live in shanty houses/rooms in slum-like localities often on a sharing basis. In many cases, the houses/rooms are overcrowded. Only one in twenty families lives in an independent house. Many of the migrant families live in small houses or rooms where adequate toilet facilities are absent. ”
The photograph portrays some of the shanty dwellings of the migrant workers. I can even send you some similar photos taken from the city. Closing your eyes will not turn the world blind, but only push you into darkness. :-)
Thank you so much for forcing me to do more research on the subject, --
Induzcreed (
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04:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Unless you do that, the image shall be deleted. DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC) DileepkKS69, Table 12 says 7.8% on 100, not on 38. Read it once more with a calm mind. It is not about feeble minority. And I understand that house is some place where people live in. It need not be a four-walled and roofed one, it can be tents too. The image description says about migrant labourers living in shanty slum like dwellings. It can be tents also. And the image description says only about the migrant workers, not about the local population. If you search internet, you will get various other references even with more shabby images than this.-- Induzcreed ( talk) 09:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 11:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
See this reference : http://123cochin.com/demographic.html -- Induzcreed ( talk) 14:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 14:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Induscreed, from your recent actions, I have deduced that your intentions are not the integrity of the article. I will give one more chance to engage you in discussion.
The presence of a few shanty houses can not be significant for a city, just like the presence of a few mansions isn't. You are trying to deface the page by posting the image of a slum, where it no way represent the city. You need to show that people living in shanties are a significant number, or the area covered by shanty towns are significant. You haven't done any of that. You posted some links that simply shows shanty towns exist. That will not do.
In consideration of the neutral POV, and the standards of Wikipedia, the said image will not be allowed to stay on the page.
Any editor, other than the ones indulged in the edit war, please post your comments here.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 14:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, you made your point, that you have no point to make.
The image is irrelevant, and shall not be allowed to stay on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DileepKS69 ( talk • contribs) 00:39, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
You are creating unwanted arguments repeatedly even-after providing many proofs and references.
.The image is relevant to the article "Demographics", and will stay on the page. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 01:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Inviting all the editors, especially the seniors, who are interested, please let your opinion known here, before you call it is an edit war.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear INDUZCREED - Let me know where you are from, so I can post pictures of a few potholes, poverty and slums in your city's wiki page. Would you like that to be done? Please let us know - I think I have a hot Diwali Gift for ya! :)
Happy Diwali - 59.160.190.130 ( talk) 11:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Digger, thanx for the opinion. I initiated WP:3O. Meanwhile, I hope the editor who added the image would remove it according to WP:BRD you outlined.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 16:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 (
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15:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm here to offer a third opinion in response to the request at WP:3O. I'm just a regular editor with no special powers, and you are free to listen to my opinion or ignore me as you see fit ;)
This article contains many images of Kochi. Most of these images represent the city as a beautiful and pleasant place.
I feel that using one image showing the slum tents, out of all those positive images, is proportionate and appropriate. It makes the article more rounded and accurate in its visual representation of the city. The image, with its juxtaposition of the slum tents and the modern office buildings, is quite editorially powerful and adds a lot of value to the article.
I think the image should be used.
Thparkth ( talk) 15:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh yes! the image should be used. BTW, where are you from, Thparkth. I might have some images of that city of yours which I can upload on your city page. Do let me know! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.178.192 ( talk) 18:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Thparkth, which is important for an encyclopedia? Neutrality, Accuracy, Fairness and Balance, OR Visual proportion, roundness, and editorial power? Your view have a place in politics, not in an encyclopedia. I believe the images must be showing something significant or unique about the city, that distinguishes it from the others. My objection is NOT that the image is maligning the city. My objection is that the image doesn't show anything significant or unique about the city. I thank you for the opinion.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 03:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello Thparkth. Could you please identify the images that are not significant or unique? We can discuss them, and remove if they do not satisfy the criteria. You are taking the unique' part alone, which is incorrect. It is significant or unique. That definition is a precision way of saying give readers a sense of what the place is actually like. Now, let me ask you. How does showing the picture of a few slums make it actually like it, where the whole city have only a few such shanties.
I would definitely agree that the shanties have significance, if there are hundreds of them at one location. I happen to know the location of the photograph. It is a carefully composed image to capture the few shanties with the backdrop of the highrises. It is a good photo for sensational journalism, but unsuitable for an encyclopedia. I would wholeheartedly welcome an editor providing a photo of a spread of a number shanties, if they can find them. That would be fact, and deserves a place on the encyclopedia.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 03:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
I thank all the editors for their opinions, and according to the high standards of Wikipedia, I accept the verdict.
I am sure the same high standards would be applied to the other city pages as well, when a dispute happens in the future.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC) But,this page is categorized under FA,which should contain all Pros and Cons.Otherwise there is no value of FA. Thanks -- Induzcreed ( talk) 04:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The page has been protected to stop the continuous edit war. Please discuss all issues on the talk page. The protection is not an endorsement of the current version.
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I suggest the page to be kept protected, and edits proposed here and done under consensus. Should work much better than all the flip-flops.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 05:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, there is a line which says "most of these islands are small ...." which requires a Citation and none has been provided for so long. Please have that removed, coz as far as I know that ain't true :)
THANKS!
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You may please add this as the citation requested by MountainWhiskey Average size of islands Thanks -- Induzcreed ( talk) 05:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}Please edit the mayor's name to Tony Chamminy, who was sworn in yesterday. DileepKS69 ( talk) 15:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Check, why was the survey details removed from Demographics? You mention talk page, but I don't see the talk. Please clarify your grounds for the edit. DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
AC Nielsen is a well known and reputed market researcher, whose opinion carries a lot of weight in the industry. The Confederation of Indian Industry is the apex body of industrialists in India. Both are reputed and reliable sources for evaluating the livability and competitiveness of a city. You should have researched the sources before discounting them simply because they do not align with your POV. The sources are reliable and authentic enough.
If surveys from entities like Rediff, and news from sources like metrovaartha could be used as source, especially if it carries a weak POV on the city, I wonder why AC Nielsen can't be a reliable source? DileepKS69 ( talk) 05:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 08:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I found a copy of the same document at http://www.janwani.org/images/Governance/cii_and%20_insti_for_competetiveness_liveability-report_2009.pdf. The link says 2009, but the actual document is the 2010. DileepKS69 ( talk) 09:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Check, what exactly is the weasel word in the statement Kochi is the most cosmopolitan city in Kerala.. I checked the wiki page on that, and neither significant words appear on that page. Please clarify your grounds for the edit. DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
So, a GoK document is not good reference for you, when it comes to a strong POV, while any source, including sites like metrovaartha is good source for a weak POV?. If you go like that, no reference could be valid enough for you. How do you measure cosmopolitan-ness? Can you quantify it? If you start asking questions like that you will have to face such questions at a lot of points at a lot of pages. Once again, you can't bend the conventions and pick and choose the sources based on POV. GoK is a valid source, so allow its use. DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I have deleted a wrong assertion made based on a business standard report on the Liveability Index study. It said lowest rank, while the actual number if 23. I propose to re-write the last three paragraphs using the available references, because they looks kind of disjoint right now.
Looking at the liveability report, we can find that the following are the strikingly salient points. Overall ranking 12, which is best in state. Housing ranks 23 which is worst in state by a large margin. Education ranks 36, but all three cities similar.
Since the crime report is featured, we may note the safety ranking here, which is 16, and best in state.
Please comment. DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The unemployment numbers are incorrect, as they refer to the District, not the city. One data point to note that Kochi and Kanayannur taluks where the city situated, shows only 5.3 and 6.7% increase. So, the rate should be around 6%.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, it does say 8 cities have their lowest, BUT, the actual ranking number is available elsewhere in the same report, and that is NOT the lowest. So, which one should one use? A general statement, or the actual number?
madly dedicated to glorify is a very strong allegation, which I forcefully deny. There are a number of editors, yourself included, working to project anything bad about the city. (I am not complaining. that is your POV). Naturally, you will see things from that perspective. What I try is to counteract the biased views presented, and bring back the balance and reality.
I intend to play by the rules, both in letters AND spirit, and by the high standards of Wikipedia, I would always go by consensus. I take my work here quite seriously, and I would greatly appreciate if you would respect that.
Regarding the crime report, I am NOT asking to remove it. What I am asking is to add the information from the livability report next to that. Why should you object to that?
Also, please note that I am using the talk page, and have not edited anything, waiting for consensus. I would greatly appreciate the same courtesy from you and the other editors hereafter.
Happy and constructive editing. DileepKS69 ( talk) 13:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
These arguments are irrelevant for the original context. We are talking about re-writing a section, combining the available data. If you think the current form is good, please say so.
Now, I am forced to answer a couple of points you made.
1. I wasn't involved with the Epitome of Adventure. I made no edit, and no comment. 2. I have never used a bad tone on Wikipedia. Never will. I graciously accepted the 3O, after getting some clarification from the editor. Someone else did some edit in very bad taste there. It wasn't me. I have never edited without my own ID, and I do not condone uncivil behaviour. DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I fixed a grammar error there, and that specific issue can be closed. Still, it is better to cite the report, because some other editor, at a later date, might question the number.
I need to reply to an assertion you made above. I took some time and reviewed your entire edit history. The ONLY positive thing you added to Kochi (in this user ID, because even though it begins on 2nd Oct, you do go way back) was Sreesanth. (Well, given his antics, I wonder if it is in fact positive or negative). You did some neutral edits, like fixing links, and re phrasing, which I appreciate. But in general, you spent time fighting any positive edit. You also pushed POV several times by irrelevantly linking Trivandrum. You have not earned the right (in this user ID) to profess neutrality.
I take you (this user ID) for what you are, and try to work with you. Happy Editing. DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I never irrelevantly linked Trivandrum. You wanted to remove the sentence "Kochi is the second largest city after the state capital Thiruvananthapuram". Since this is a fact supported with census data, and I did not see any danger/false in that sentence, I supported to retain it in the lead. What is the wrong in that? Now, I noticed one more thing; that Thiruvananthapuram is removed from the lead. Since you removed the word Thiruvananthapuram, I suggest to link [[Thiruvananthapuram|state capital]], so that the readers will be provided the flexibility to check which is the state capital. (I can foresee a STRONG NO from you :-) ) -- Chektomate ( talk) 07:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
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Indus, Thripunithura have stops for several express trains, hence it is a major station. Please check your facts before boldly reverting. According to the online timetable, the following express trains stop there. 6381/82 Kanyakumari exp, 2623/24 Tvm mail, 6327/28 KRBA TVC Exp, 6301/02 Venad Exp, 6629 Malabar Exp. This station have a computerized reservation centre also. What else do you need? DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC) Computer reservation is not the criteria for a major railway station. Railways is introducing online ticketing services through the IRCTC website for major and minor railway stations.
There are more than 30 express trains passing through Tripunithura and out of it, 8 stops there.Also,FYI,train numbers 6630 and 6382 have NO stop at Tripunitura.How can you say it is a major railway station ? Do not argue for the sake of arguing. Think with an un-biased mind. You can think about starting your own site to advertise your city; you have the potential. My best wishes will be there. Thanks, -- Induzcreed ( talk) 09:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I do not understand your adamancy in this, and why you bring in allegations of bias on this simple, but obviously clear matter.
DileepKS69 (
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09:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I have no adamancy here.If you have the Railway Time Table with you which costs only Rs.30 and you can check yourself which are the Major Stations in Kerala or even in Southern Railways.Will you consider Piravom Station as a major station where some of the express trains stop?Also Edappally has stop for some.Even Cochin Harbour Terminous was considered as a major station before;but it is not functioning now.
Thanks--
Induzcreed (
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10:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 (
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10:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
My suggestion is that the editing in Transport section shall be based on the editing done here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Kochi...
The main points in the Kochi Main Page shall match which the subsections.
BTW,I accept the inclusion of Tripunitura Station in the current way.
Thanks.
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Induzcreed (
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13:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Dileep, I never irrelevantly linked Trivandrum. You wanted to remove the sentence "Kochi is the second largest city after the state capital Thiruvananthapuram". Since this is a fact supported with census data, and I did not see any danger/false in that sentence, I supported to retain it in the lead. What is the wrong in that? Now, I noticed one more thing; that Thiruvananthapuram is removed from the lead. Since you removed the word Thiruvananthapuram, I suggest to link [[Thiruvananthapuram|state capital]], so that the readers will be provided the flexibility to check which is the state capital. (I can foresee a STRONG NO from you :-) ) -- Chektomate ( talk) 07:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 08:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Your agenda revealed again:-) If there is a need to link any thing in this article (whether it is the state capital or not) it will be done. There is no reason to stop that. For eg; if the article has a sentence like "NH47 connects Kochi to the state capital, Trivandrum", the link to Trivandrum would be definitely needed there. And your weak arguments are not enough to stop that, and you need not be irritant to that. I wonder, why a mere link to the state capital is SO SENSITIVE to you !!!
Anyways, I am not going to add any thing, as I am not concerned about it. I was just referring to your point that " you strongly believe that a link to the capital there, or anywhere else in the article, is irrelevant ". The relevance and irrelevance is not to be decided based on your bias.
Let me say some thing too, I am not interested to carry on with debating with you on this matter; as you may never stop arguing and will repeat the same points again and again without any validity. You stretch things to the end of the world !!
Thank you very much. --
Chektomate (
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15:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS(
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16:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
In the transport section,the wiki reference is not necessary for the state highways since the original reference (PWD) is cited there.I think the article regarding state highways is based on the PWD records.So I think,there is no error in that and the citation provided is more than enough.
Thanks
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Induzcreed (
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03:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Check the previous version. The words State Highways itself was missing in the sentence, hence the edit. A wikilink is the easiest reference for a regular user, because it gives the information in a useful form. Hence I recommend retaining the wikilink.
DileepKS(
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04:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion,if an autheticated reference is absent only we need to provide a wiki-reference.Please remember,the wiki-reference is also made with this outside reference.So it will be circle reference.Hence,the wikireference is NOT mandatory since the valid and authenticated citation is already given.I invite other editors' comments on this matter.
Thanks
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Induzcreed (
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04:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
In general, the wikilink is not a reference. Its primary function is additional information. Here, the regular user is given a quick list of SHs as another wiki page. When you wikilink the name of an object, its wiki page is given. It is done as a convenience, not as a backup.
At least that is my impression of its function, as a normal user of Wikipedia.
Then, Indus, based on your current stand, how would you justify your wikilinking Trivandrum city, where Trivandrum Rly division is mentioned? Just curious.
DileepKS(
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05:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:Then, I am afraid to say that your understanding is not fully correct. Wiki link can be a valid reference, if the linked article is supported with external citations. Those citations need not be repeated in the other article also (which is holding the wikilink).
Trivandrum Railway Division is situated in Trivandrum city. Since there was no page for the Trivandrum Railway Division, I linked with the city page. You search the other articles in wiki, and could find many such cases. It is a natural act, and there is no question of a firm stand on that matter. In the eyes of biased editors like you, every such things may be wrong.
At the same time, wiki linking the city page instead of the the Rly division may not serve the full purpose of linking it. Hence, I am not adamant to keep it either. Hope this clarifies. And I request to stop this silly Q&A. It seems that you are very interested to keep on posting here; non-stop. I may not be so curious in replying for repeated points from your side.
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Induzcreed (
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08:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS(
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09:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Actually there was an edit error.Thanks for correcting,DileepKS :).
Providing wikilinks are not a wrong idea;but it should be used whereever necessary.Here evenif the wikilink is not provided;also nothing wrong in it.So better keep the link
BTW,I think Induzcreed didn't provide the linking of Trivandrum in Trivandrum railway division once the user Binoyjsdk pointed out about the "repeatlink".So accusing Induzcreed even after NOT doing the same mistake again, is NOT fair.:)
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R3dg33k (
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15:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS(
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02:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Read my reply carefully. I told , “ ‘’ wiki linking the city page instead of the the Rly division may not serve the full purpose of linking it. Hence, I am not adamant to keep it either. ‘’ “. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 02:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
The unemployment numbers are not correct. The numbers quoted are for the whole district. The city/metro area numbers can be reliably deduced from the Taluk wise table, which comes to 21.6, with an increase of around 6%.
I propose to edit the line as follows:
The region of the district where the city belongs registered an unemployment rate of 21.6% in 2003, which is roughly 6% more than that in 1998. DileepKS( talk) 01:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
The article currently reads: Major business sectors include gold and textile retailing, seafood and spices exports, chemical industries, information technology (IT), tourism, health services, banking, shipbuilding, and the fishing industry. It is not accurate.
I propose to edit it as Major business sectors include construction, manufacturing, shipbuilding, transportation/shipping, seafood and spices exports, chemical industries, information technology (IT), tourism, health services, and banking
Refer to the GDP numbers from the planning board. Since city figures are not available, we have to use district figures. Construction is 19%, manufacturing is 17%(incl shipbuilding), trade and hotel (includes hospitality, tourism, and trade) is 19%, transportation 10%, which is mainly the port. Banking is 4.8%.
Comments invited.
DileepKS(
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05:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
There are some colleges in the Education section, those are not in Kochi.
1. MACE,Kothamangalam there.MACE is around 45-50 kms away and not even in the suburbs of Kochi.
http://www.mace.ac.in/php/showContent.php?linkid=9&parent_id=2
2. Federal Institute of Science and Technology,which is actually near Mookkannur,a rustic village in the outskirts of Angamaly. It is not in the suburbs of Kochi city.
3. The Federal Business School which is a part of FISAT.
http://www.fisat.ac.in/php/showData.php?linkid=186&headid=7&headtype=Y is also not in Kochi city.
The above institutions should not be mentioned in the article.
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Induzcreed (
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09:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS( talk) 11:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Following are the candidates for inclusion in the list
Engg Colleges
In the order of reducing urbanity
K M E A Engineering College, Pukkattupady, Alwaye Sree Narayana Gurukulam College of Engineering, Kadayiruppu P O, Ernakulam Toc-H Institute of Science and Technology, Mulamthurutthy, Ernakulam Jaibharath College of Management & Engineering Technology, Arackappady, Vengola Adi Shankara Institute of Engineering and Technology, Sankar Nagar, Mattoor, Kalady
Medical
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church Medical College, Kolenchery, Ernakulam Sree Narayana Institute of Medical Sciences,Chalakka, North Kuthiathode, Ernakulam
DileepKS(
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11:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding FISAT,we can't add those details of what people feels.Since this is an encyclopedia,we should stick to the factual details.So it also be removed.
BTW,The listed institutions seems lengthy including those already in the page and those yet to be brought out.So my suggestion is why can't be a separate page titled "Education in Kochi"?There these shall be listed under the different categories like Engineering Colleges,Medical Colleges,Business Schools etc...
Thus the content in the article "Education" in the city page shall be brief and the in detailed in the Supporting Page.What say??
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Induzcreed (
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15:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS( talk) 01:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Checktomate, this issue had been discussed above, and the information had been the way it was for a long time now. You are trying to incite an edit war here, which is sorely unfortunate.
I have proposed a rational and unquestionably neutral method to resolve this, and similar issues, but you haven't responded. Instead, you are digging up an old issue. This clearly shows bad intentions. If your intention is the well being of the article, as it should be for any editor here, please, let us work on the solution.
I was under the impression that we have come to an agreement that we would discuss first and then do the edit. You are violating that trust as well here.
With your ample resources, you might be able to steamroll the changes, but let me tell you that it goes directly against the principles of Wikipedia.
If you have any respect for the principles of Wikipedia, I implore you to stop, and let us discuss.
DileepKS( talk) 08:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
@ DileepKS, it was an OLD information which was already there and you only removed . Hence, we should retain it till consensus is reached in talk page.
Also,I don't think it is an irrelevant information.So,it will be reverted back.
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Induzcreed (
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12:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I have given up trying to engage in a civil and productive collaboration with Checktomate and Induscreed in editing the Kochi page. I have no choice, other than to ignore the adamant narcissism of those editors who strive to establish the superiority and make a mark of their favourite place on every page possible.
I can contribute a lot more as an editor if I just ignore these silly and childish insistences. You are beneath me, my friends, and I shall not stoop to your levels. Hereafter, I shall not meddle in any Trivandrum boosting you may do on this page. I leave it to other editors, if any, to deal with them as they choose.
DileepKS(
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14:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Mountainwhiskey,That is a good idea.Hope I can also contribute some in that.If you have the Political Map of Inida/Kerala it will be easy for you to compile.
If you eager to create such a page better NOT to restrict with Kochi alone and Can do it for other major cities too..
Also,DileepKS,at last, you agreed to atleast one fact. And I noticed that you and some other "editors" do not want to keep any link to Trivandrum in any Kochi related pages. Why is that?
Being Trivandrum the Capital of Kerala, is not the problem of either Chektomate or Induzcreed.All other states/city pages do give importance to their state capital.Why you people are NOT want here?
I feel you people have some hidden and planned agenda NOT to do so.
Btw, you agreed as above to create a page "Education in Kochi".Please do that at the earliest.I appreciate your acceptance of that task and Mountainwhiskey for the Distance Page.
Of Course, I am not here to one to edit from anonymous IPs. If I need to put forward some edits, I will do that from my account. You can believe me.
Thanks,
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Sixsigma69 (
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15:38, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
If you have not inetersted who cares??I am NOT worried too.Even when I worried you need not care also
As you mentioned,it cannot be added as per your will and wish as this is NOT a "Sardarji Jokes" Page.Also, Kochi is NOT the State Capital and it will NEVER be too.
Also,keep cool..This is an encyclopedia... NOT your blog or your webpage to show your nasty comments and arrogance.
-- Sixsigma69 ( talk) 17:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I hope User:DileepKS69 will be civil in replying here. Can you please show me where in this article I tried to boost up any other place? I wish you could reply accurately, rather than issuing generalised and vague statements.
If you could give me a satisfactory and valid answers to the above questions, I would be happy to agree with you. Thanks in advance, -- Chektomate ( talk) 17:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Sixsigma, another sock? I just reviewed your contribs. You went to all the city pages in this part of the country and boosted Trivandrum there. Good job sir. Why don't you go to the pages of Delhi and Mumbai, and boost there too. Why stop there. Go to NYC and add that it is connected to Trivandrum. Let us see who objects!!
I am done. No more discussion on the holy city of yours.
DileepKS( talk) 02:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I would like if Mountainwhiskey show a little bit civil behaviour here; rather than using harsh tones and personal attacks. Adding the location info quoting the distance and direction from state capital is a followed norm for Indian cities. There is nothing wrong in that, as it gives the reader a better idea about the location of the city. You need not be worried that "YOUR CITY" will lose importance. If you continue the edit war here, you might be blocked. Please use WP:3O or similar methods to arrive at the conclusion. Thanks, -- Chektomate ( talk) 13:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I humbly request user DileepKS should stop being so neurotic and quite frankly, a bit of a drama queen, by seeing a Trivandrum bogeyman behind every editor in Wiki. And please stop posturing under make-believe high ideals and yet do the same things later under some guise. You make provocative strawmen like "I wont stoop to low levels" comment above, when I feel no one, including you "stooped" at any levels!! I believe we are all discussing, not stooping around as you want everyone to believe. Why create this personal hatred and strawmen?
Anyways what is the point in personalizing this discussion? This is not a personal war or a self-important excersize, when it comes to these topics. Please stop these petty fights and provocations.
Mountainwhiskey, a person who is visiting Kochi with business or other interests that involve interaction with Kerala State Govt should be informed of the distance to places where they might need to travel for government approvals and other administrative matters.
Also,please refrain from personal attacks.I support Chektomate in thi regard.Also,adding a distance map is different from adding a distance to the State Capital. The distance to the State Capital is more relevant and important than the former and is followed in most of the indian cities' pages.Then whats wrong adding that here?
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Sixsigma69 (
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01:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I propose the following text to replace the current text.
The patern of primary education is essentially the same all over the state. There are government controlled schools, owned, or aided, which are affiliated to the Kerala State Education Board. A few privately owned schools are also affiliated to the system. Most of the schools owned by private organizations or individuals are affiliated to the Central Board for Secondary Education (CBSE). Indian Certificate of Secondary Education (ICSE) have some schools affiliated to them as well. The state education board offers both Malayalam and English medium instruction, while the other boards offer English medium alone. There are a few schools that follow international curricula, such as IB and IGCSE.
The general pattern of education is ten years of common schooling to reach secondary level. Kindegartens are widely available, but considered separate from formal schooling. After the secondary level, three streams, namely Arts, Commerce or Science are offered for higher secondary education. After finishing the school, students can opt for higher education related to the streams they had undergone.
The notable schools in the government sector are Maharaja Sree Rama Varma Boys High School, Edappally High School, Government School-Kochi and Govt Girls High School. There are four Kendriya Vidyalayas run by the central government. Charitable organizations like Chinmaya Mission and Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan runs many schools within the city and the suburbs. Religious trusts like CMI are also running many schools. There are also schools that are owned by private trusts and individuals, such as Toc-H and Greets Academy.
Recently several public schools have started offering advanced facilities and international syllabi. Choice School, Global Public School and Dawn Public School are some of the forerunners in this category.
There maybe some more schools that need mention. I shall move it to the edit unless anyone find this terribly objectionable, and then add the tweaks there.
Thanks. DileepKS( talk) 07:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
After reading some very defensive comments from pro-trivandrum editors here to DileepKS's Replies here, Why not discuss it here? Being a Cochinite, I have read a lot of times atleast for past 3 decades newspapers covering small but isolated movements from other parts of Kerala to shift capital of Kerala to Kochi(and in some cases also Thrissur). 20:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.35.113 ( talk)
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Whether you are asserting a positive or a negative point, keeping a neutral POV is vital for an encyclopedia article. EVERY city in this world have a slum. EVERY city have broken roads. EVERY city have traffic problems. EVERY city have poverty. Then getting hold of some of that information and adding that to the page does not constitute a neutral POV.
The opposite is also true. EVERY city would have a nice segment of road, a nice building, or a scenic location. Highlighting that also does not constitute a neutral POV.
In order to qualify for inclusion in the encyclopedia page, the information must add some value to the page. Stating/proving Kochi has a slum, with a few tents pitched in an open ground, doesn't add any value, and it is not neutral POV, because every city have them, and nothing special about it.
If you want, get the official statistics of the slum dwellers by number, show that it is a significant percentage of the population, and THEN use the picture to support that.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 10:42, 26 October 2010 (UTC)
See the following links as you enquired . http://www.corporationofcochin.net/ksudp/poverty.html http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/shoberg/1/1263590407/a-stream-outside-one-of-the-slums.jpg/tpod.html http://www.travelpod.com/travel-photo/shoberg/1/1263590407/in-a-shanty-house-in-the-slums.jpg/tpod.html http://staffcommunity.com/showthread.php?t=180
Hope now I can edit this..
-- Induzcreed ( talk) 05:55, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
None of the links give any information leading to the conclusion that there is a slum problem in the city that is different from other cities in the country.
First link is the policy statement of the corporation. It appears that you haven't read the article of the second and third photo links, because those are from MUMBAI, not Kochi. the flourth link is a forum post, which itself is not acceptable per Wikipedia stds, and it is talking about building housing for the poor.
None of this gives any notion that slums is a major, or unique feature of Kochi. In order to satisfy the content needs of wikipedia for inclusion of that picture, you must prove the following:
1. Slums is either a major, or unique feature of the city, compared to other similar cities. The links posted by you does not come anywhere near that. 2. The picture has a traceable license.
Do that, and then edit the article please. Happy editing.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 07:13, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
The corporation of Cochin states that there are 280 slums in the city. And there are plans to eradicate that. Apart from the identified slums, there are many more slums created by the labors from other states. This is well evident and the website of corporation of cochin is a valid citation. If you want, I can provide more citations from Kerala Government’s slum eradication programme.
In most cities, slums are there. This doesn't mean that it should not be told here. And it is an unique feature for Kochi in the sense that it holds the most number of slums in Kerala. If there are slums in Kochi, why you are fighting to hide that? It seems that you want to glorify the city you represent. Same time, I want to put the facts for the city I represent. So, there is a diferrence in view point. And, it is evident that the POV you are putting forward is not NEUTRAL. You and your friends do not want to mention Kochi as the second largest city behind the capital means you are not NEUTRAL. You do not want to publish any negative things of the city, means you are not NEUTRAL.
I am not removing any positive things with citations from the article. I am not adding any negative things without citations. So, how can you tell that I am not neutral? I request you to follow an unbiased view point here. This article should not be for ADVERTISING THE CITY. It should hold both NEGATIVE and POSITIVE facts.
Also, please do not post lies here about the license of the picture. If you have any problem with the license of the picture, do report it in the Creative Commons or in the Image Description Page. I am not the one who uploaded it and took license for it.
Enjoy Editing. Thanks. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 10:15, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
Well, if your point is that Kochi has the most number of slums in Kerala, you sure can add that information with the citations.
About the image, no, you can not use that image without proper license. The fact that someone else uploaded it without license, does not mean you can use it unhindered.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 11:10, 27 October 2010 (UTC) Please check before you reply. The image is already licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution 2.0 Generic license.
Check out the image if you are in doubt.
Thanks -- Induzcreed ( talk) 13:43, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
If you want to make a point, add the citation please. Title of an image from a wiki source is not a citation. Link the corporation article (if that is what you want to use as reference) and make your assertion the fact based on that.
The source of that image is not verified. It is not clear if the original uploader had the right to do so. DileepKS69 ( talk) 13:49, 27 October 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 00:59, 28 October 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 04:58, 28 October 2010 (UTC) The same phrase is already there in the image description itself..I don't think it should be removed. Why I should oblige to a un-genuine request? You mean to say local people stays in such shabby areas ? I believe not. It is the migrant labourers. Thanks. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 05:18, 29 October 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:19, 29 October 2010 (UTC) OK.If you are particular about reference than those in the image itself please fidn these links http://www.hindu.com/2007/10/09/stories/2007100960020300.htm http://www.indianexpress.com/oldStory/81252/ I think these will be more than you required..Now I'm reverting back to the old..Please don't do the edit war again.Please. Thanks and enjoy editing other than this. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 07:28, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
The tent dwellers are not labourers. They do rag picking, panhandling and such occupations. Only a very small part of the BPL population live in those tents. In fact I am afraid that they don't even feature in the records.
Given these facts, your reference could not be accepted.
I deny any allegation of edit war. All I am asking is a reference to the phrase Hundreds of people, mostly comprising migrant labourers from other states of India who come to the city seeking job prospects, live in such shabby areas.. I have removed the phrase only after giving you ample time and opportunity to provide the reference. You sir, on the other hand, have added the disputed phrase back unilaterally, quoting links that does not give any substance. If someone is doing edit war, I am sorry to say, that would be yourself.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 09:59, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
Initially,your dispute was about the license of the image,then was the phrase.When a valid reference give you cannot accept that and telling that the people shown in the picture are not labourers.How can you tell that? Anyway no more dipute in that.Here's a more valid reference than a newspaper news. http://csesindia.org/admin/modules/cms/docs/publication/16.pdf
Hope now you are happy with this.
Thanks.. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Induzcreed ( talk • contribs) 01:48, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
I invite the opinion of other learned editors on this. 3% of the undocumented slum dwellers, which would be a feeble minority of the total slum dwellers, lives in shanties. Does that qualify for a photograph?
DileepKS69 ( talk) 03:06, 1 November 2010 (UTC) FYI,It is not me who has taken the photograph and uploaded in the wiki under the license and not me who has given the image description.It is the photographer himself given that.You can verify that. Also,a study is conducted on a sample basis not a full mass.
-- Induzcreed ( talk) 17:32, 1 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:00, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear DileepKS69,
The study is conducted only on the Tamil migrant labourers in the city. It does not cover other state labourers from Karnataka, Maharashtra, Bihar, Bengal, etc. I was providing you a sample, since you were so adamant about a reference. You can find more references in the internet. Also, in an attempt to support your blind claim, you are LYING here and HIDING facts regarding the percentage of people lives in verandah of shops. The study says that 7.8% of the people(those who are single) lives in Verandah of shops. And the photograph is not a Verandah of any shop; it is about a slum like dwelling. Also, nowhere in the study asserts that only 3% live in shanties.
The study says “ They live in shanty houses/rooms in slum like localities often on a sharing basis. A few of them live on verandas of shops. They have limited access to sanitation facilities and safe water. Their practices of waste disposal pose problems of public health and environment. Their working and living conditions and habits make them suffer from a number of diseases. But their access to public services like health and education is limited. They enjoy very limited protection from labour laws. ”
The study cements again, “ Most of the migrant workers live in shanty houses/rooms in slum-like localities often on a sharing basis. In many cases, the houses/rooms are overcrowded. Only one in twenty families lives in an independent house. Many of the migrant families live in small houses or rooms where adequate toilet facilities are absent. ”
The photograph portrays some of the shanty dwellings of the migrant workers. I can even send you some similar photos taken from the city. Closing your eyes will not turn the world blind, but only push you into darkness. :-)
Thank you so much for forcing me to do more research on the subject, --
Induzcreed (
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04:05, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
Unless you do that, the image shall be deleted. DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC) DileepkKS69, Table 12 says 7.8% on 100, not on 38. Read it once more with a calm mind. It is not about feeble minority. And I understand that house is some place where people live in. It need not be a four-walled and roofed one, it can be tents too. The image description says about migrant labourers living in shanty slum like dwellings. It can be tents also. And the image description says only about the migrant workers, not about the local population. If you search internet, you will get various other references even with more shabby images than this.-- Induzcreed ( talk) 09:52, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 11:55, 2 November 2010 (UTC)
See this reference : http://123cochin.com/demographic.html -- Induzcreed ( talk) 14:13, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 14:23, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Induscreed, from your recent actions, I have deduced that your intentions are not the integrity of the article. I will give one more chance to engage you in discussion.
The presence of a few shanty houses can not be significant for a city, just like the presence of a few mansions isn't. You are trying to deface the page by posting the image of a slum, where it no way represent the city. You need to show that people living in shanties are a significant number, or the area covered by shanty towns are significant. You haven't done any of that. You posted some links that simply shows shanty towns exist. That will not do.
In consideration of the neutral POV, and the standards of Wikipedia, the said image will not be allowed to stay on the page.
Any editor, other than the ones indulged in the edit war, please post your comments here.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 14:24, 3 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, you made your point, that you have no point to make.
The image is irrelevant, and shall not be allowed to stay on the page. —Preceding unsigned comment added by DileepKS69 ( talk • contribs) 00:39, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
You are creating unwanted arguments repeatedly even-after providing many proofs and references.
.The image is relevant to the article "Demographics", and will stay on the page. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 01:01, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Inviting all the editors, especially the seniors, who are interested, please let your opinion known here, before you call it is an edit war.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:03, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear INDUZCREED - Let me know where you are from, so I can post pictures of a few potholes, poverty and slums in your city's wiki page. Would you like that to be done? Please let us know - I think I have a hot Diwali Gift for ya! :)
Happy Diwali - 59.160.190.130 ( talk) 11:51, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Digger, thanx for the opinion. I initiated WP:3O. Meanwhile, I hope the editor who added the image would remove it according to WP:BRD you outlined.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 16:01, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 (
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15:00, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
I'm here to offer a third opinion in response to the request at WP:3O. I'm just a regular editor with no special powers, and you are free to listen to my opinion or ignore me as you see fit ;)
This article contains many images of Kochi. Most of these images represent the city as a beautiful and pleasant place.
I feel that using one image showing the slum tents, out of all those positive images, is proportionate and appropriate. It makes the article more rounded and accurate in its visual representation of the city. The image, with its juxtaposition of the slum tents and the modern office buildings, is quite editorially powerful and adds a lot of value to the article.
I think the image should be used.
Thparkth ( talk) 15:27, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Oh yes! the image should be used. BTW, where are you from, Thparkth. I might have some images of that city of yours which I can upload on your city page. Do let me know! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.242.178.192 ( talk) 18:23, 4 November 2010 (UTC)
Dear Thparkth, which is important for an encyclopedia? Neutrality, Accuracy, Fairness and Balance, OR Visual proportion, roundness, and editorial power? Your view have a place in politics, not in an encyclopedia. I believe the images must be showing something significant or unique about the city, that distinguishes it from the others. My objection is NOT that the image is maligning the city. My objection is that the image doesn't show anything significant or unique about the city. I thank you for the opinion.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 03:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
Hello Thparkth. Could you please identify the images that are not significant or unique? We can discuss them, and remove if they do not satisfy the criteria. You are taking the unique' part alone, which is incorrect. It is significant or unique. That definition is a precision way of saying give readers a sense of what the place is actually like. Now, let me ask you. How does showing the picture of a few slums make it actually like it, where the whole city have only a few such shanties.
I would definitely agree that the shanties have significance, if there are hundreds of them at one location. I happen to know the location of the photograph. It is a carefully composed image to capture the few shanties with the backdrop of the highrises. It is a good photo for sensational journalism, but unsuitable for an encyclopedia. I would wholeheartedly welcome an editor providing a photo of a spread of a number shanties, if they can find them. That would be fact, and deserves a place on the encyclopedia.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 03:26, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
I thank all the editors for their opinions, and according to the high standards of Wikipedia, I accept the verdict.
I am sure the same high standards would be applied to the other city pages as well, when a dispute happens in the future.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:44, 8 November 2010 (UTC) But,this page is categorized under FA,which should contain all Pros and Cons.Otherwise there is no value of FA. Thanks -- Induzcreed ( talk) 04:58, 8 November 2010 (UTC)
The page has been protected to stop the continuous edit war. Please discuss all issues on the talk page. The protection is not an endorsement of the current version.
If you wish to make any edits, gain consensus and place {{ editprotected}} before the text that has to be inserted and an administrator will perform those edits. — Spaceman Spiff 16:38, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I suggest the page to be kept protected, and edits proposed here and done under consensus. Should work much better than all the flip-flops.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 05:02, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
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Hi, there is a line which says "most of these islands are small ...." which requires a Citation and none has been provided for so long. Please have that removed, coz as far as I know that ain't true :)
THANKS!
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You may please add this as the citation requested by MountainWhiskey Average size of islands Thanks -- Induzcreed ( talk) 05:29, 9 November 2010 (UTC)
{{ editprotected}}Please edit the mayor's name to Tony Chamminy, who was sworn in yesterday. DileepKS69 ( talk) 15:25, 10 November 2010 (UTC)
Check, why was the survey details removed from Demographics? You mention talk page, but I don't see the talk. Please clarify your grounds for the edit. DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
AC Nielsen is a well known and reputed market researcher, whose opinion carries a lot of weight in the industry. The Confederation of Indian Industry is the apex body of industrialists in India. Both are reputed and reliable sources for evaluating the livability and competitiveness of a city. You should have researched the sources before discounting them simply because they do not align with your POV. The sources are reliable and authentic enough.
If surveys from entities like Rediff, and news from sources like metrovaartha could be used as source, especially if it carries a weak POV on the city, I wonder why AC Nielsen can't be a reliable source? DileepKS69 ( talk) 05:53, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 08:30, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I found a copy of the same document at http://www.janwani.org/images/Governance/cii_and%20_insti_for_competetiveness_liveability-report_2009.pdf. The link says 2009, but the actual document is the 2010. DileepKS69 ( talk) 09:24, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
Check, what exactly is the weasel word in the statement Kochi is the most cosmopolitan city in Kerala.. I checked the wiki page on that, and neither significant words appear on that page. Please clarify your grounds for the edit. DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:35, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
So, a GoK document is not good reference for you, when it comes to a strong POV, while any source, including sites like metrovaartha is good source for a weak POV?. If you go like that, no reference could be valid enough for you. How do you measure cosmopolitan-ness? Can you quantify it? If you start asking questions like that you will have to face such questions at a lot of points at a lot of pages. Once again, you can't bend the conventions and pick and choose the sources based on POV. GoK is a valid source, so allow its use. DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:01, 13 November 2010 (UTC)
I have deleted a wrong assertion made based on a business standard report on the Liveability Index study. It said lowest rank, while the actual number if 23. I propose to re-write the last three paragraphs using the available references, because they looks kind of disjoint right now.
Looking at the liveability report, we can find that the following are the strikingly salient points. Overall ranking 12, which is best in state. Housing ranks 23 which is worst in state by a large margin. Education ranks 36, but all three cities similar.
Since the crime report is featured, we may note the safety ranking here, which is 16, and best in state.
Please comment. DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:40, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
The unemployment numbers are incorrect, as they refer to the District, not the city. One data point to note that Kochi and Kanayannur taluks where the city situated, shows only 5.3 and 6.7% increase. So, the rate should be around 6%.
DileepKS69 ( talk) 06:55, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
Well, it does say 8 cities have their lowest, BUT, the actual ranking number is available elsewhere in the same report, and that is NOT the lowest. So, which one should one use? A general statement, or the actual number?
madly dedicated to glorify is a very strong allegation, which I forcefully deny. There are a number of editors, yourself included, working to project anything bad about the city. (I am not complaining. that is your POV). Naturally, you will see things from that perspective. What I try is to counteract the biased views presented, and bring back the balance and reality.
I intend to play by the rules, both in letters AND spirit, and by the high standards of Wikipedia, I would always go by consensus. I take my work here quite seriously, and I would greatly appreciate if you would respect that.
Regarding the crime report, I am NOT asking to remove it. What I am asking is to add the information from the livability report next to that. Why should you object to that?
Also, please note that I am using the talk page, and have not edited anything, waiting for consensus. I would greatly appreciate the same courtesy from you and the other editors hereafter.
Happy and constructive editing. DileepKS69 ( talk) 13:47, 14 November 2010 (UTC)
These arguments are irrelevant for the original context. We are talking about re-writing a section, combining the available data. If you think the current form is good, please say so.
Now, I am forced to answer a couple of points you made.
1. I wasn't involved with the Epitome of Adventure. I made no edit, and no comment. 2. I have never used a bad tone on Wikipedia. Never will. I graciously accepted the 3O, after getting some clarification from the editor. Someone else did some edit in very bad taste there. It wasn't me. I have never edited without my own ID, and I do not condone uncivil behaviour. DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:42, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 02:45, 16 November 2010 (UTC)
I fixed a grammar error there, and that specific issue can be closed. Still, it is better to cite the report, because some other editor, at a later date, might question the number.
I need to reply to an assertion you made above. I took some time and reviewed your entire edit history. The ONLY positive thing you added to Kochi (in this user ID, because even though it begins on 2nd Oct, you do go way back) was Sreesanth. (Well, given his antics, I wonder if it is in fact positive or negative). You did some neutral edits, like fixing links, and re phrasing, which I appreciate. But in general, you spent time fighting any positive edit. You also pushed POV several times by irrelevantly linking Trivandrum. You have not earned the right (in this user ID) to profess neutrality.
I take you (this user ID) for what you are, and try to work with you. Happy Editing. DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:32, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
I never irrelevantly linked Trivandrum. You wanted to remove the sentence "Kochi is the second largest city after the state capital Thiruvananthapuram". Since this is a fact supported with census data, and I did not see any danger/false in that sentence, I supported to retain it in the lead. What is the wrong in that? Now, I noticed one more thing; that Thiruvananthapuram is removed from the lead. Since you removed the word Thiruvananthapuram, I suggest to link [[Thiruvananthapuram|state capital]], so that the readers will be provided the flexibility to check which is the state capital. (I can foresee a STRONG NO from you :-) ) -- Chektomate ( talk) 07:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Continued in section :
Talk:Kochi#Wiki_Links
Indus, Thripunithura have stops for several express trains, hence it is a major station. Please check your facts before boldly reverting. According to the online timetable, the following express trains stop there. 6381/82 Kanyakumari exp, 2623/24 Tvm mail, 6327/28 KRBA TVC Exp, 6301/02 Venad Exp, 6629 Malabar Exp. This station have a computerized reservation centre also. What else do you need? DileepKS69 ( talk) 01:48, 15 November 2010 (UTC) Computer reservation is not the criteria for a major railway station. Railways is introducing online ticketing services through the IRCTC website for major and minor railway stations.
There are more than 30 express trains passing through Tripunithura and out of it, 8 stops there.Also,FYI,train numbers 6630 and 6382 have NO stop at Tripunitura.How can you say it is a major railway station ? Do not argue for the sake of arguing. Think with an un-biased mind. You can think about starting your own site to advertise your city; you have the potential. My best wishes will be there. Thanks, -- Induzcreed ( talk) 09:10, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I do not understand your adamancy in this, and why you bring in allegations of bias on this simple, but obviously clear matter.
DileepKS69 (
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09:27, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
I have no adamancy here.If you have the Railway Time Table with you which costs only Rs.30 and you can check yourself which are the Major Stations in Kerala or even in Southern Railways.Will you consider Piravom Station as a major station where some of the express trains stop?Also Edappally has stop for some.Even Cochin Harbour Terminous was considered as a major station before;but it is not functioning now.
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Induzcreed (
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10:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 (
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10:24, 15 November 2010 (UTC)
My suggestion is that the editing in Transport section shall be based on the editing done here
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transport_in_Kochi...
The main points in the Kochi Main Page shall match which the subsections.
BTW,I accept the inclusion of Tripunitura Station in the current way.
Thanks.
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Induzcreed (
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13:34, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Dileep, I never irrelevantly linked Trivandrum. You wanted to remove the sentence "Kochi is the second largest city after the state capital Thiruvananthapuram". Since this is a fact supported with census data, and I did not see any danger/false in that sentence, I supported to retain it in the lead. What is the wrong in that? Now, I noticed one more thing; that Thiruvananthapuram is removed from the lead. Since you removed the word Thiruvananthapuram, I suggest to link [[Thiruvananthapuram|state capital]], so that the readers will be provided the flexibility to check which is the state capital. (I can foresee a STRONG NO from you :-) ) -- Chektomate ( talk) 07:01, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS69 ( talk) 08:00, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
Your agenda revealed again:-) If there is a need to link any thing in this article (whether it is the state capital or not) it will be done. There is no reason to stop that. For eg; if the article has a sentence like "NH47 connects Kochi to the state capital, Trivandrum", the link to Trivandrum would be definitely needed there. And your weak arguments are not enough to stop that, and you need not be irritant to that. I wonder, why a mere link to the state capital is SO SENSITIVE to you !!!
Anyways, I am not going to add any thing, as I am not concerned about it. I was just referring to your point that " you strongly believe that a link to the capital there, or anywhere else in the article, is irrelevant ". The relevance and irrelevance is not to be decided based on your bias.
Let me say some thing too, I am not interested to carry on with debating with you on this matter; as you may never stop arguing and will repeat the same points again and again without any validity. You stretch things to the end of the world !!
Thank you very much. --
Chektomate (
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15:31, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS(
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16:03, 17 November 2010 (UTC)
In the transport section,the wiki reference is not necessary for the state highways since the original reference (PWD) is cited there.I think the article regarding state highways is based on the PWD records.So I think,there is no error in that and the citation provided is more than enough.
Thanks
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Induzcreed (
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03:46, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Check the previous version. The words State Highways itself was missing in the sentence, hence the edit. A wikilink is the easiest reference for a regular user, because it gives the information in a useful form. Hence I recommend retaining the wikilink.
DileepKS(
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04:34, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
In my opinion,if an autheticated reference is absent only we need to provide a wiki-reference.Please remember,the wiki-reference is also made with this outside reference.So it will be circle reference.Hence,the wikireference is NOT mandatory since the valid and authenticated citation is already given.I invite other editors' comments on this matter.
Thanks
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Induzcreed (
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04:44, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
In general, the wikilink is not a reference. Its primary function is additional information. Here, the regular user is given a quick list of SHs as another wiki page. When you wikilink the name of an object, its wiki page is given. It is done as a convenience, not as a backup.
At least that is my impression of its function, as a normal user of Wikipedia.
Then, Indus, based on your current stand, how would you justify your wikilinking Trivandrum city, where Trivandrum Rly division is mentioned? Just curious.
DileepKS(
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05:00, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
:Then, I am afraid to say that your understanding is not fully correct. Wiki link can be a valid reference, if the linked article is supported with external citations. Those citations need not be repeated in the other article also (which is holding the wikilink).
Trivandrum Railway Division is situated in Trivandrum city. Since there was no page for the Trivandrum Railway Division, I linked with the city page. You search the other articles in wiki, and could find many such cases. It is a natural act, and there is no question of a firm stand on that matter. In the eyes of biased editors like you, every such things may be wrong.
At the same time, wiki linking the city page instead of the the Rly division may not serve the full purpose of linking it. Hence, I am not adamant to keep it either. Hope this clarifies. And I request to stop this silly Q&A. It seems that you are very interested to keep on posting here; non-stop. I may not be so curious in replying for repeated points from your side.
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Induzcreed (
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08:49, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS(
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09:21, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
Actually there was an edit error.Thanks for correcting,DileepKS :).
Providing wikilinks are not a wrong idea;but it should be used whereever necessary.Here evenif the wikilink is not provided;also nothing wrong in it.So better keep the link
BTW,I think Induzcreed didn't provide the linking of Trivandrum in Trivandrum railway division once the user Binoyjsdk pointed out about the "repeatlink".So accusing Induzcreed even after NOT doing the same mistake again, is NOT fair.:)
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R3dg33k (
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15:30, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS(
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02:02, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Read my reply carefully. I told , “ ‘’ wiki linking the city page instead of the the Rly division may not serve the full purpose of linking it. Hence, I am not adamant to keep it either. ‘’ “. -- Induzcreed ( talk) 02:51, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
The unemployment numbers are not correct. The numbers quoted are for the whole district. The city/metro area numbers can be reliably deduced from the Taluk wise table, which comes to 21.6, with an increase of around 6%.
I propose to edit the line as follows:
The region of the district where the city belongs registered an unemployment rate of 21.6% in 2003, which is roughly 6% more than that in 1998. DileepKS( talk) 01:11, 18 November 2010 (UTC)
The article currently reads: Major business sectors include gold and textile retailing, seafood and spices exports, chemical industries, information technology (IT), tourism, health services, banking, shipbuilding, and the fishing industry. It is not accurate.
I propose to edit it as Major business sectors include construction, manufacturing, shipbuilding, transportation/shipping, seafood and spices exports, chemical industries, information technology (IT), tourism, health services, and banking
Refer to the GDP numbers from the planning board. Since city figures are not available, we have to use district figures. Construction is 19%, manufacturing is 17%(incl shipbuilding), trade and hotel (includes hospitality, tourism, and trade) is 19%, transportation 10%, which is mainly the port. Banking is 4.8%.
Comments invited.
DileepKS(
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05:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
There are some colleges in the Education section, those are not in Kochi.
1. MACE,Kothamangalam there.MACE is around 45-50 kms away and not even in the suburbs of Kochi.
http://www.mace.ac.in/php/showContent.php?linkid=9&parent_id=2
2. Federal Institute of Science and Technology,which is actually near Mookkannur,a rustic village in the outskirts of Angamaly. It is not in the suburbs of Kochi city.
3. The Federal Business School which is a part of FISAT.
http://www.fisat.ac.in/php/showData.php?linkid=186&headid=7&headtype=Y is also not in Kochi city.
The above institutions should not be mentioned in the article.
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Induzcreed (
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09:38, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS( talk) 11:28, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Following are the candidates for inclusion in the list
Engg Colleges
In the order of reducing urbanity
K M E A Engineering College, Pukkattupady, Alwaye Sree Narayana Gurukulam College of Engineering, Kadayiruppu P O, Ernakulam Toc-H Institute of Science and Technology, Mulamthurutthy, Ernakulam Jaibharath College of Management & Engineering Technology, Arackappady, Vengola Adi Shankara Institute of Engineering and Technology, Sankar Nagar, Mattoor, Kalady
Medical
Malankara Orthodox Syrian Church Medical College, Kolenchery, Ernakulam Sree Narayana Institute of Medical Sciences,Chalakka, North Kuthiathode, Ernakulam
DileepKS(
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11:48, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
Regarding FISAT,we can't add those details of what people feels.Since this is an encyclopedia,we should stick to the factual details.So it also be removed.
BTW,The listed institutions seems lengthy including those already in the page and those yet to be brought out.So my suggestion is why can't be a separate page titled "Education in Kochi"?There these shall be listed under the different categories like Engineering Colleges,Medical Colleges,Business Schools etc...
Thus the content in the article "Education" in the city page shall be brief and the in detailed in the Supporting Page.What say??
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Induzcreed (
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15:44, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
DileepKS( talk) 01:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Checktomate, this issue had been discussed above, and the information had been the way it was for a long time now. You are trying to incite an edit war here, which is sorely unfortunate.
I have proposed a rational and unquestionably neutral method to resolve this, and similar issues, but you haven't responded. Instead, you are digging up an old issue. This clearly shows bad intentions. If your intention is the well being of the article, as it should be for any editor here, please, let us work on the solution.
I was under the impression that we have come to an agreement that we would discuss first and then do the edit. You are violating that trust as well here.
With your ample resources, you might be able to steamroll the changes, but let me tell you that it goes directly against the principles of Wikipedia.
If you have any respect for the principles of Wikipedia, I implore you to stop, and let us discuss.
DileepKS( talk) 08:56, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
@ DileepKS, it was an OLD information which was already there and you only removed . Hence, we should retain it till consensus is reached in talk page.
Also,I don't think it is an irrelevant information.So,it will be reverted back.
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Induzcreed (
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12:01, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I have given up trying to engage in a civil and productive collaboration with Checktomate and Induscreed in editing the Kochi page. I have no choice, other than to ignore the adamant narcissism of those editors who strive to establish the superiority and make a mark of their favourite place on every page possible.
I can contribute a lot more as an editor if I just ignore these silly and childish insistences. You are beneath me, my friends, and I shall not stoop to your levels. Hereafter, I shall not meddle in any Trivandrum boosting you may do on this page. I leave it to other editors, if any, to deal with them as they choose.
DileepKS(
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14:28, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Mountainwhiskey,That is a good idea.Hope I can also contribute some in that.If you have the Political Map of Inida/Kerala it will be easy for you to compile.
If you eager to create such a page better NOT to restrict with Kochi alone and Can do it for other major cities too..
Also,DileepKS,at last, you agreed to atleast one fact. And I noticed that you and some other "editors" do not want to keep any link to Trivandrum in any Kochi related pages. Why is that?
Being Trivandrum the Capital of Kerala, is not the problem of either Chektomate or Induzcreed.All other states/city pages do give importance to their state capital.Why you people are NOT want here?
I feel you people have some hidden and planned agenda NOT to do so.
Btw, you agreed as above to create a page "Education in Kochi".Please do that at the earliest.I appreciate your acceptance of that task and Mountainwhiskey for the Distance Page.
Of Course, I am not here to one to edit from anonymous IPs. If I need to put forward some edits, I will do that from my account. You can believe me.
Thanks,
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Sixsigma69 (
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15:38, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
If you have not inetersted who cares??I am NOT worried too.Even when I worried you need not care also
As you mentioned,it cannot be added as per your will and wish as this is NOT a "Sardarji Jokes" Page.Also, Kochi is NOT the State Capital and it will NEVER be too.
Also,keep cool..This is an encyclopedia... NOT your blog or your webpage to show your nasty comments and arrogance.
-- Sixsigma69 ( talk) 17:12, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
I hope User:DileepKS69 will be civil in replying here. Can you please show me where in this article I tried to boost up any other place? I wish you could reply accurately, rather than issuing generalised and vague statements.
If you could give me a satisfactory and valid answers to the above questions, I would be happy to agree with you. Thanks in advance, -- Chektomate ( talk) 17:46, 20 November 2010 (UTC)
Sixsigma, another sock? I just reviewed your contribs. You went to all the city pages in this part of the country and boosted Trivandrum there. Good job sir. Why don't you go to the pages of Delhi and Mumbai, and boost there too. Why stop there. Go to NYC and add that it is connected to Trivandrum. Let us see who objects!!
I am done. No more discussion on the holy city of yours.
DileepKS( talk) 02:24, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I would like if Mountainwhiskey show a little bit civil behaviour here; rather than using harsh tones and personal attacks. Adding the location info quoting the distance and direction from state capital is a followed norm for Indian cities. There is nothing wrong in that, as it gives the reader a better idea about the location of the city. You need not be worried that "YOUR CITY" will lose importance. If you continue the edit war here, you might be blocked. Please use WP:3O or similar methods to arrive at the conclusion. Thanks, -- Chektomate ( talk) 13:48, 21 November 2010 (UTC)
I humbly request user DileepKS should stop being so neurotic and quite frankly, a bit of a drama queen, by seeing a Trivandrum bogeyman behind every editor in Wiki. And please stop posturing under make-believe high ideals and yet do the same things later under some guise. You make provocative strawmen like "I wont stoop to low levels" comment above, when I feel no one, including you "stooped" at any levels!! I believe we are all discussing, not stooping around as you want everyone to believe. Why create this personal hatred and strawmen?
Anyways what is the point in personalizing this discussion? This is not a personal war or a self-important excersize, when it comes to these topics. Please stop these petty fights and provocations.
Mountainwhiskey, a person who is visiting Kochi with business or other interests that involve interaction with Kerala State Govt should be informed of the distance to places where they might need to travel for government approvals and other administrative matters.
Also,please refrain from personal attacks.I support Chektomate in thi regard.Also,adding a distance map is different from adding a distance to the State Capital. The distance to the State Capital is more relevant and important than the former and is followed in most of the indian cities' pages.Then whats wrong adding that here?
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Sixsigma69 (
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01:28, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
I propose the following text to replace the current text.
The patern of primary education is essentially the same all over the state. There are government controlled schools, owned, or aided, which are affiliated to the Kerala State Education Board. A few privately owned schools are also affiliated to the system. Most of the schools owned by private organizations or individuals are affiliated to the Central Board for Secondary Education (CBSE). Indian Certificate of Secondary Education (ICSE) have some schools affiliated to them as well. The state education board offers both Malayalam and English medium instruction, while the other boards offer English medium alone. There are a few schools that follow international curricula, such as IB and IGCSE.
The general pattern of education is ten years of common schooling to reach secondary level. Kindegartens are widely available, but considered separate from formal schooling. After the secondary level, three streams, namely Arts, Commerce or Science are offered for higher secondary education. After finishing the school, students can opt for higher education related to the streams they had undergone.
The notable schools in the government sector are Maharaja Sree Rama Varma Boys High School, Edappally High School, Government School-Kochi and Govt Girls High School. There are four Kendriya Vidyalayas run by the central government. Charitable organizations like Chinmaya Mission and Bharathiya Vidya Bhavan runs many schools within the city and the suburbs. Religious trusts like CMI are also running many schools. There are also schools that are owned by private trusts and individuals, such as Toc-H and Greets Academy.
Recently several public schools have started offering advanced facilities and international syllabi. Choice School, Global Public School and Dawn Public School are some of the forerunners in this category.
There maybe some more schools that need mention. I shall move it to the edit unless anyone find this terribly objectionable, and then add the tweaks there.
Thanks. DileepKS( talk) 07:31, 22 November 2010 (UTC)
After reading some very defensive comments from pro-trivandrum editors here to DileepKS's Replies here, Why not discuss it here? Being a Cochinite, I have read a lot of times atleast for past 3 decades newspapers covering small but isolated movements from other parts of Kerala to shift capital of Kerala to Kochi(and in some cases also Thrissur). 20:10, 26 November 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 59.93.35.113 ( talk)