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I see someone split off Kobe Bryant accomplishments and records. This had been done once before and had been reverted. What was the logic of splitting this off again into an article that is again sort of unstructured.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 23:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kobe Bryant accomplishments and records. Zodiiak ( talk) 17:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Am I the only one that believes that the allegations of sexual sexual are being giving undue weight throughout his article and especially in the opening paragrapghs, considering Bryant was not actually convicted of anything? We need to reach a consensus on this matter, and possibly trim it down. Lakerking04 ( talk) 21:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Any objections to me removing it? -- Ted87 ( talk) 18:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Just my 2 cents -- Ted87 ( talk) 04:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
How about just shortening the section on the sexual harassment allegations in the lead? -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 04:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Who is this "friend"? Anyways, most of the WP:NBA members are currently sleeping so, lets just hope that there will be more users commenting on this thread before reverting or keeping it on the lead. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 06:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
The sexual assault allegations, while they were notable at the time, are rarely even mentioned today. The fact remains that this was a small incident in his life in which he was not legally convicted of anything. And seeing as this is a biography, we have to look at events from a greater perspective and not get caught up in the passions of the times. Lakerking04 ( talk) 04:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I have to admit I too don't see the value of keeping the sexual assualt nonsense in the opening paragraph. Chris, you seem to be the only one who is insisting. Can we have a vote on this? Does anyone else agree with Chris? Kk5000 ( talk) 00:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
First of all, no one is saying it should not be included. Just that it does not belong in the lead. Just like Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright wouldn't belong in the lead for Barack Obama's entry. The only reason a poll was suggested was because 2-3 misguided people seem to be disputing/reverting the overwhelming consensus that this does not belong in the lead. While the consensus is not always true, it certainly is in this case. Some woman accusing him of rape and then backing off by refusing to testify can't possibly belong in the lead. Kk5000 ( talk) 22:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I believe what was argued above by Lakerking is WP:RECENT. Time will tell whether or not it is a notable event in his stacked life. As to whether or not it should be included in the body, I believe it should. As for the lead, I'm not so sure. As it stands, this does not seem to be as sufficient in weight as his basketball career and other mentions. At the very least, the sentence is much too long to justify that much weight in the grand scheme summary of his life. Jonhan ( talk) 02:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently, I don't really like the picture of Kobe Bryant without his jersey on since it doesn't show what he is, a basketball player. So I want a vote to see which one should be the Infobox picture. Sorry if this isn't allowed or if you think this is a bad idea.
Here are the pictures I selected that could be the infobox picture:
http://www.celebheights.com/s/LeBron-James-3984.html http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/73357840.jpg
A bit less than 6-6, after seeing him beside the 6-4 Wade? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.26.40 ( talk) 17:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
As of now, the NBA website confirms that he is 6'6", so until the NBA confirms that he is indeed 6'4", that is when we wil change it. -- K. Annoyomous 24 [c] 00:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
How do you know that Wade isn't taller instead of Kobe being shorter? ;) -- Ted87 ( talk) 04:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
No reference I can find on the internet states that he is a Barcelona fan, rather a fan of Ronaldinho who previously played at Barcelona. Funnilly enough, Ronaldinho now plays at AC Milan, a club that Kobe has said he supports. Saying that kobe supports Barcelona may be factually incorrect. ManfromDelmonte ( talk) 17:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Also former Barca coach Frank Rikjard was an AC Milan player when Kobe lived in Italy. Surely this is the more obvious connection to being a fan of that manager? —Preceding
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24.233.211.171 (
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01:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
He is actually African American not American. Danabrenklin ( talk) 23:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone have a huge problem if the Vanessa Bryant article was redirected to Kobe's? There's a merge tag on the article (which lead me here) and since her article is already tagged for questionable notability, I think a redirect or merge is probably the best route. Thoughts? Pinkadelica Say it... 04:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I just feel like in the few intro paragraphs...there is eerything in order from him being son of joe byrant to winning 3 consecutive championships, to being all time nba scorer or 05/06 and 06/07 and then winning mvp in 07/08 and then the gold medal redeem team, then the next paragraph says "in 2003 braynt was accussed of sexual assault" and then it talks about that part of his life. First of all, it is out of place and out of order, second of all that should be a whole section in itself, and should not be on the front fist paragraphs of an NBA legend and a man who made a mistake and has showed he made a mistake, put that at the bottom, so that new comers, new fans of admires of Kobe Bryant don't have to think that is who is is, and repersent him for what he is today, a loving husband, father and one of the greatest basketball players to ever play the game. thanks
Josiah peffer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jopeff ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Is that a year? or over a few years? Y2J RKO ( talk) 00:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Didn't Kobe past Larry Bird's 21,000 points during the 2009 season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GiGaMan78 ( talk • contribs) 12:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
kobe bryant past larry bird in the 07/08 season But in the 08/09 season he made 25.000.000--—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.163.159 ( talk • contribs)
I quick-failed this article as it currently smacks of recentism. The MVP year section (1 season) is currently at least twice as long as the early career and championship years sections (7 seasons). Balance like this needs to be fixed before i would even consider this a pass. Plus, any citation needed statements need to be sourced or rm'd. Wizardman 04:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
flickr. Chensiyuan ( talk) 15:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is becomming extremely lengthy. There seems to be a bit of trivial or needless information that can be removed. Much of the information seems unencyclopedic -- do we really need to know what video game covers he's been on? Do we really need to know about his commercials? Endorsements can be summarized within a personal life section, I don't think we need an entire subsection for it. Tons of needless recentism on this article that can be removed as well. I encourage users to try to look at the article from a historical perspective to understand what material is really relevant in order to make it a bit more concise. Zodiiak ( talk) 05:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Another thing is that Kobe Bryant got a 1450 on his SAT not a 1080; Shaq said so in his book Shaq Talks Back. Italic text ( Dreamblackbelt ( talk) 19:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC))
Yes, this article is long, but what would you remove? There doesn't seem to be a section that contains much that is irrelevant. The article doesn't drag on and all info is sourced, so I see no reason to shorten it. And since this article involves recent events it is hard to tell what is proportionally notable until he retires/is inactive. -- Ted87 ( talk) 21:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
On my talk page me and JoeJohnson2 ( talk · contribs) (henceforth JJ2) have been arguing until we are blue in the face about the images to the right. At the top is an image that has been in the article for about a year. It was taken during the 2007-08 season. It shows Bryant being defended by Baron Davis. Below that is an image of Bryant attempting to get around Bruce Bowen. The former image was removed at first for offensive caption and then later for incorrect date credit (it was originally credited as a Playoff time photo). Even though the top image looks like it is near half court, I like it because it has that swag that says to me It's Goin' Down because Bryant has his tongue wagging and looks like he wants a clear out to take break some ankles. I also like it because it is an action shot of Bryant being guarded by a former NBA All-Star and All-NBA Team player. After getting the caption fixed, I added it back and JJ2 first removed it for the date confusion. Now, we are clear on the date and he put forth the Bowen picture below. He says the Bowen picture is more relevant because Bowen is an All-Defensive team player who has been assigned to be the Bryant stopper during five NBA playoff series. I feel there is room for both pics and see no reason not to keep the picture of Davis as well. I also feel we should have an action shot of Bryant against an All-Star. JJ2 says Michael Redd is an All-Star. In fact, Redd and Davis were All-NBA during the same season. There is an image that looks like Bryant is attempting to defend Redd on an impending inbounds pass play. This is not really an action shot in my mind. Does anyone else have any thoughts?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 17:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
1) The Kobe Bryant main and List of career achievements articles already have a higher number of Bryant in an away jersey.
2) Bruce Bowen has played Bryant in 5 playoff series (most of them WCF I think), and was the primary defender against Bryant for numerous years, they've played each other often and have a bit of history against each other.
3) Baron Davis is not even remotely as relevant as Caron Butler (recent All-Star, former teammate with Bryant in the 2004-05 NBA Season with the Lakers and was apart of the Shaq trade) and Michael Redd (former All-Star, former teammate with Bryant on the Team USA Reedem team for 2 summers) all of them have made it to the All-NBA team, but Caron Butler and Redd clearly have been more relevant to Kobe's career.
4) The Baron Davis image serves no purpose of the article, it really looks out of place and this is suppose to be a bio, not a image gallery.
Also I would like to point out that his image has had some shady comments on the image description page by the uploader
link, this just solidifies why I'm against this image even more. So this image will not be used and should not be used in any Kobe Bryant related articles.
JoeJohnson2 (
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Since TonyTheTiger wants me to comment on this, like I said, I think the Bowen one could be on the player profile. As for the Davis one, it has bad resolution, and I see nothing that we can do with the photo. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 04:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I think that File:BryantBeijing.jpg is a nice image overall, but it kind of bothers me that there are two images in a section that can barely fit two images. What I'm saying is that it seems redundant having the picture there, but I can't find any other place in the article where we can insert it. So, any options? -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 21:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Kobe Bryant recently accepted an offer from NIKe for the new release of the NIKe ZOOM. He was offered $120 million for a 6 year contract. Kobe will be paid more if him and the Lakers win championships because if he wins, the sneakers are worth a lot more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kobe12345 ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I've created the page, Kobe Doin' Work. I was going to add to KB's page, but I don't know where to mention it/include it. CollisionCourse ( talk) 08:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Kobe's agent has been at FAC for a while with little commentary. See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rob Pelinka/archive1.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 14:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Can we discuss the merits of having {{ NBA Courtside series}} on the page. It does not seem like a template worth having to me.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 07:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The "Post Championship Years" section, as it is now, reads
"Phil Jackson's contract as coach was not renewed, and Rudy Tomjanovich took over.[60] Shaquille O'Neal was traded to the Miami Heat for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, and Brian Grant.[61] The following day, Bryant declined an offer to sign with the Los Angeles Clippers and re-signed with the Lakers on a seven-year contract.[62]"
According to references 61 and 62, there was a couple of weeks where the Lakers had traded Shaq, and Byrant had yet to sign a contract extension.
Article 61: "It's Official: Shaq traded to Heat for three players, draft pick". USAToday. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2004-07-14-shaq-trade_x.htm. Retrieved on 2008-06-23.
Article 62:"Kobe remains with Lakers". Associated Press. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1840336. Retrieved on 2008-07-16.
This should be changed to "Weeks later," or something like that, or omitted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.53.195 ( talk) 19:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
This article, in the first 2 paragraphs, is extremely bias against Kobe. From claiming hes not a "REAL" NBA star to saying the Celtics won the championship in 2008 because they have a collection of 4 stars instead of "one egotist" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.204.142 ( talk) 02:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
It was just vandalism that has been reverted. -- Ted87 ( talk) 04:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I reverted the previous edit. Per WP:NOT#STATS, Kobe's statistics should absolutely be removed from this page. I removed a similar grid from the Ted Williams article years ago, and no one complained; all agreed. Why is Kobe different? Wikipedia is NOT a repository for every statistic ever. Honestly, how often are the stats going to be updated? Daily? Weekly? Yearly?
There are several hundred websites WHOSE JOB IT IS to keep track of stats, notably: NBA.com. This article should point to the existing stat sites; there is simply no justification for including the grid of stats on this article. Timneu22 ( talk) 20:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Well just a note, the ice hockey project has a standard of not updating current season stats and has an "as of last season" type comment on stat tables. We just regularely revert stat additions mid season. And on articles that seem to have people constantly trying to add the stats we add an HTML comment in saying not to update till the end of season. Works quite well and we rarely have issues with it. Its been how we do things since atleast early 2006 and hasn't encountered any issues. Probably would work here too. - Djsasso ( talk) 04:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I added a neutrality disputed template to the player profile section because the entire section is just to show how great some people think he is. Henry talk 19:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Are are your specific concerns? -- Ted87 ( talk) 00:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Well despite my attempt at making the section more neutral, the tag was still put back. If no one can give any reasons or suggestions then the the neutrality tag should be removed. -- Ted87 ( talk) 17:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not great with how to go about this, but I noticed something missing from the article.
There are a few sources and it was aired on TNT before that Kobe chose the number "8" not because it was 143 added together as the article states, but rather as a tribute to one of his favorite players growing up in Italy, Knicks coach Mike D'antoni.
D'antoni was actually a teammate of Kobe's father, Jellybean Bryant in Italy. It actually references this slightly in the Mike D'Antoni wiki article: [1]
69.239.106.228 ( talk) 07:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Aleksi
It seems to me that at least one non-basketball image would be useful, if we have one. Why not include this one? Also, why is the Olympic team photo in the article if Bryant is not visible (unless I don't recognize him).-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 21:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
And isn't this: a "non-basketball" image? I'm pretty certain it is. JoeJohnson2 ( talk) 22:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Kobe bryant's religon is catholic. kobe attends mass every sunday and on the road kobe attends the local catholic church. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.240.56.162 ( talk) 20:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
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Sports Illustrated cover titled "It's Over" |
Wasn't too sure if it warranted an upload under fair use, so would this be the right way to go? Would anyone be against me inserting this within the article? It would fit in well in the "Coming up short (2002–04)" section. -- ĴoeĴohnson| 2 19:04, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the SI cover or the 81 points picture would be covered under fair use. The high school jersey probably would, though. -- Ted87 ( talk) 05:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
kobe has been named the new man in the cover of the new nba 2k game series —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.65.66 ( talk) 13:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
While in high school, then 76ers coach John Lucas invited Bryant to workout - it should be "work out". 208.101.210.225 ( talk) 07:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
the second para, 4th line has a line "Since his second year in the league, Bryant has "started" in every..." it should have been Since his second year in the league, Bryant has "starred"( not started lol... ) in every NBA All-Star Game that has been hosted, including winning the All-Star MVP award in 2002, 2007, and 2009.
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Ashu pat007 (
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Wow, this page is so comprehensive but there are so many things in its way to becoming a Good Article. Stuff like referencing, dashes, grammar and general style. Manderiko ( talk) 13:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
It is stated in the last sentence of the section for the 2008-09 season that "Bryant was awarded his first NBA Finals MVP trophy upon winning his fourth championship, becoming the first player since Jerry West in the 1969 NBA Finals to average at least 32.4 points and 7.4 assists for a series and the first since Michael Jordan to average 30 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists for a title-winning team."
I think this makes it seem like no other player in any playoff series has ever averaged at least 32.4 points and 7.4 assists since 1969. However, Michael Jordan averaged 35.7 points and 8.3 assists against New York Knicks in 1989 playoffs if I'm not mistaken. The reference article from ESPN also mentions that this is a finals series record(not playoff series overall) post 1969. Cihan Bahran ( talk) 18:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
There is a spelling error under endorsements: "In 2009, Bryant signed a deal with Nubeo to market the "Black Mamba collection", a line of sports/luxary watches that range from $25,000 to $285,000." It should be luxury.
Algiers23 ( talk) 15:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Bryant started the 1999–2000 season sidelined for six weeks due to an injury to his hand in a preseason game against the Washington Wizards.[47] With Bryant back and playing the first full season as a starter, he saw an increase in all statistical categories in the 1999–2000 season. This included leading the team in assists per game and steals per game. The duo of O'Neal and Bryant backed with a strong bench lead to the Lakers winning 67 games
1)Kobe was sidelined for six weeks. He didn't play his first full season until '00-'01 due to the lockout in '98-'99 and injury in '99-'00.
2)lead needs to be led. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.166.228 ( talk) 06:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
The photo with the President has in its description the first and last name of President but leaves out the prefix of "President". This needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.93.159 ( talk) 03:07, 2 February 2010
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kobe bryant recently said he told coach k he would have attended UNC
"Bryant has stated that had he decided to go to college after high school, he would have attended Duke University" should be changed to "Bryant has stated that had he decided to go to college after high school, he would have attended the University of North Carolina"
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I see someone split off Kobe Bryant accomplishments and records. This had been done once before and had been reverted. What was the logic of splitting this off again into an article that is again sort of unstructured.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 23:43, 2 September 2008 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Kobe Bryant accomplishments and records. Zodiiak ( talk) 17:51, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Am I the only one that believes that the allegations of sexual sexual are being giving undue weight throughout his article and especially in the opening paragrapghs, considering Bryant was not actually convicted of anything? We need to reach a consensus on this matter, and possibly trim it down. Lakerking04 ( talk) 21:13, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
Any objections to me removing it? -- Ted87 ( talk) 18:35, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
Just my 2 cents -- Ted87 ( talk) 04:17, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
How about just shortening the section on the sexual harassment allegations in the lead? -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 04:22, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
(outdent) Who is this "friend"? Anyways, most of the WP:NBA members are currently sleeping so, lets just hope that there will be more users commenting on this thread before reverting or keeping it on the lead. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 06:01, 24 March 2009 (UTC)
The sexual assault allegations, while they were notable at the time, are rarely even mentioned today. The fact remains that this was a small incident in his life in which he was not legally convicted of anything. And seeing as this is a biography, we have to look at events from a greater perspective and not get caught up in the passions of the times. Lakerking04 ( talk) 04:09, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
I have to admit I too don't see the value of keeping the sexual assualt nonsense in the opening paragraph. Chris, you seem to be the only one who is insisting. Can we have a vote on this? Does anyone else agree with Chris? Kk5000 ( talk) 00:21, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
First of all, no one is saying it should not be included. Just that it does not belong in the lead. Just like Bill Ayers and Reverend Wright wouldn't belong in the lead for Barack Obama's entry. The only reason a poll was suggested was because 2-3 misguided people seem to be disputing/reverting the overwhelming consensus that this does not belong in the lead. While the consensus is not always true, it certainly is in this case. Some woman accusing him of rape and then backing off by refusing to testify can't possibly belong in the lead. Kk5000 ( talk) 22:11, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I believe what was argued above by Lakerking is WP:RECENT. Time will tell whether or not it is a notable event in his stacked life. As to whether or not it should be included in the body, I believe it should. As for the lead, I'm not so sure. As it stands, this does not seem to be as sufficient in weight as his basketball career and other mentions. At the very least, the sentence is much too long to justify that much weight in the grand scheme summary of his life. Jonhan ( talk) 02:02, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Currently, I don't really like the picture of Kobe Bryant without his jersey on since it doesn't show what he is, a basketball player. So I want a vote to see which one should be the Infobox picture. Sorry if this isn't allowed or if you think this is a bad idea.
Here are the pictures I selected that could be the infobox picture:
http://www.celebheights.com/s/LeBron-James-3984.html http://i244.photobucket.com/albums/gg34/NBA7902/NBA%20Height%20Comparison/73357840.jpg
A bit less than 6-6, after seeing him beside the 6-4 Wade? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.177.26.40 ( talk) 17:57, 20 September 2008 (UTC)
As of now, the NBA website confirms that he is 6'6", so until the NBA confirms that he is indeed 6'4", that is when we wil change it. -- K. Annoyomous 24 [c] 00:09, 21 September 2008 (UTC)
How do you know that Wade isn't taller instead of Kobe being shorter? ;) -- Ted87 ( talk) 04:07, 18 February 2009 (UTC)
No reference I can find on the internet states that he is a Barcelona fan, rather a fan of Ronaldinho who previously played at Barcelona. Funnilly enough, Ronaldinho now plays at AC Milan, a club that Kobe has said he supports. Saying that kobe supports Barcelona may be factually incorrect. ManfromDelmonte ( talk) 17:03, 4 October 2008 (UTC)
Also former Barca coach Frank Rikjard was an AC Milan player when Kobe lived in Italy. Surely this is the more obvious connection to being a fan of that manager? —Preceding
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24.233.211.171 (
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01:24, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
He is actually African American not American. Danabrenklin ( talk) 23:37, 16 October 2008 (UTC)
Would anyone have a huge problem if the Vanessa Bryant article was redirected to Kobe's? There's a merge tag on the article (which lead me here) and since her article is already tagged for questionable notability, I think a redirect or merge is probably the best route. Thoughts? Pinkadelica Say it... 04:23, 28 October 2008 (UTC)
I just feel like in the few intro paragraphs...there is eerything in order from him being son of joe byrant to winning 3 consecutive championships, to being all time nba scorer or 05/06 and 06/07 and then winning mvp in 07/08 and then the gold medal redeem team, then the next paragraph says "in 2003 braynt was accussed of sexual assault" and then it talks about that part of his life. First of all, it is out of place and out of order, second of all that should be a whole section in itself, and should not be on the front fist paragraphs of an NBA legend and a man who made a mistake and has showed he made a mistake, put that at the bottom, so that new comers, new fans of admires of Kobe Bryant don't have to think that is who is is, and repersent him for what he is today, a loving husband, father and one of the greatest basketball players to ever play the game. thanks
Josiah peffer —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jopeff ( talk • contribs) 20:48, 31 October 2008 (UTC)
Is that a year? or over a few years? Y2J RKO ( talk) 00:00, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Didn't Kobe past Larry Bird's 21,000 points during the 2009 season? —Preceding unsigned comment added by GiGaMan78 ( talk • contribs) 12:57, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
kobe bryant past larry bird in the 07/08 season But in the 08/09 season he made 25.000.000--—Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.79.163.159 ( talk • contribs)
I quick-failed this article as it currently smacks of recentism. The MVP year section (1 season) is currently at least twice as long as the early career and championship years sections (7 seasons). Balance like this needs to be fixed before i would even consider this a pass. Plus, any citation needed statements need to be sourced or rm'd. Wizardman 04:34, 31 December 2008 (UTC)
flickr. Chensiyuan ( talk) 15:29, 29 January 2009 (UTC)
This article is becomming extremely lengthy. There seems to be a bit of trivial or needless information that can be removed. Much of the information seems unencyclopedic -- do we really need to know what video game covers he's been on? Do we really need to know about his commercials? Endorsements can be summarized within a personal life section, I don't think we need an entire subsection for it. Tons of needless recentism on this article that can be removed as well. I encourage users to try to look at the article from a historical perspective to understand what material is really relevant in order to make it a bit more concise. Zodiiak ( talk) 05:57, 4 March 2009 (UTC)
Another thing is that Kobe Bryant got a 1450 on his SAT not a 1080; Shaq said so in his book Shaq Talks Back. Italic text ( Dreamblackbelt ( talk) 19:39, 8 March 2009 (UTC))
Yes, this article is long, but what would you remove? There doesn't seem to be a section that contains much that is irrelevant. The article doesn't drag on and all info is sourced, so I see no reason to shorten it. And since this article involves recent events it is hard to tell what is proportionally notable until he retires/is inactive. -- Ted87 ( talk) 21:34, 8 March 2009 (UTC)
On my talk page me and JoeJohnson2 ( talk · contribs) (henceforth JJ2) have been arguing until we are blue in the face about the images to the right. At the top is an image that has been in the article for about a year. It was taken during the 2007-08 season. It shows Bryant being defended by Baron Davis. Below that is an image of Bryant attempting to get around Bruce Bowen. The former image was removed at first for offensive caption and then later for incorrect date credit (it was originally credited as a Playoff time photo). Even though the top image looks like it is near half court, I like it because it has that swag that says to me It's Goin' Down because Bryant has his tongue wagging and looks like he wants a clear out to take break some ankles. I also like it because it is an action shot of Bryant being guarded by a former NBA All-Star and All-NBA Team player. After getting the caption fixed, I added it back and JJ2 first removed it for the date confusion. Now, we are clear on the date and he put forth the Bowen picture below. He says the Bowen picture is more relevant because Bowen is an All-Defensive team player who has been assigned to be the Bryant stopper during five NBA playoff series. I feel there is room for both pics and see no reason not to keep the picture of Davis as well. I also feel we should have an action shot of Bryant against an All-Star. JJ2 says Michael Redd is an All-Star. In fact, Redd and Davis were All-NBA during the same season. There is an image that looks like Bryant is attempting to defend Redd on an impending inbounds pass play. This is not really an action shot in my mind. Does anyone else have any thoughts?-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 17:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
1) The Kobe Bryant main and List of career achievements articles already have a higher number of Bryant in an away jersey.
2) Bruce Bowen has played Bryant in 5 playoff series (most of them WCF I think), and was the primary defender against Bryant for numerous years, they've played each other often and have a bit of history against each other.
3) Baron Davis is not even remotely as relevant as Caron Butler (recent All-Star, former teammate with Bryant in the 2004-05 NBA Season with the Lakers and was apart of the Shaq trade) and Michael Redd (former All-Star, former teammate with Bryant on the Team USA Reedem team for 2 summers) all of them have made it to the All-NBA team, but Caron Butler and Redd clearly have been more relevant to Kobe's career.
4) The Baron Davis image serves no purpose of the article, it really looks out of place and this is suppose to be a bio, not a image gallery.
Also I would like to point out that his image has had some shady comments on the image description page by the uploader
link, this just solidifies why I'm against this image even more. So this image will not be used and should not be used in any Kobe Bryant related articles.
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Since TonyTheTiger wants me to comment on this, like I said, I think the Bowen one could be on the player profile. As for the Davis one, it has bad resolution, and I see nothing that we can do with the photo. -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 04:33, 31 March 2009 (UTC)
I think that File:BryantBeijing.jpg is a nice image overall, but it kind of bothers me that there are two images in a section that can barely fit two images. What I'm saying is that it seems redundant having the picture there, but I can't find any other place in the article where we can insert it. So, any options? -- [[ SRE.K.A.L.| L.A.K.ERS]]call me Keith 21:44, 28 March 2009 (UTC)
Kobe Bryant recently accepted an offer from NIKe for the new release of the NIKe ZOOM. He was offered $120 million for a 6 year contract. Kobe will be paid more if him and the Lakers win championships because if he wins, the sneakers are worth a lot more. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Kobe12345 ( talk • contribs) 03:01, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
I've created the page, Kobe Doin' Work. I was going to add to KB's page, but I don't know where to mention it/include it. CollisionCourse ( talk) 08:15, 13 May 2009 (UTC)
Kobe's agent has been at FAC for a while with little commentary. See Wikipedia:Featured article candidates/Rob Pelinka/archive1.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 14:53, 25 May 2009 (UTC)
Can we discuss the merits of having {{ NBA Courtside series}} on the page. It does not seem like a template worth having to me.-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 07:15, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
The "Post Championship Years" section, as it is now, reads
"Phil Jackson's contract as coach was not renewed, and Rudy Tomjanovich took over.[60] Shaquille O'Neal was traded to the Miami Heat for Lamar Odom, Caron Butler, and Brian Grant.[61] The following day, Bryant declined an offer to sign with the Los Angeles Clippers and re-signed with the Lakers on a seven-year contract.[62]"
According to references 61 and 62, there was a couple of weeks where the Lakers had traded Shaq, and Byrant had yet to sign a contract extension.
Article 61: "It's Official: Shaq traded to Heat for three players, draft pick". USAToday. http://www.usatoday.com/sports/basketball/nba/2004-07-14-shaq-trade_x.htm. Retrieved on 2008-06-23.
Article 62:"Kobe remains with Lakers". Associated Press. http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/news/story?id=1840336. Retrieved on 2008-07-16.
This should be changed to "Weeks later," or something like that, or omitted. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.148.53.195 ( talk) 19:02, 5 June 2009 (UTC)
This article, in the first 2 paragraphs, is extremely bias against Kobe. From claiming hes not a "REAL" NBA star to saying the Celtics won the championship in 2008 because they have a collection of 4 stars instead of "one egotist" —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.34.204.142 ( talk) 02:05, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
It was just vandalism that has been reverted. -- Ted87 ( talk) 04:09, 10 June 2009 (UTC)
I reverted the previous edit. Per WP:NOT#STATS, Kobe's statistics should absolutely be removed from this page. I removed a similar grid from the Ted Williams article years ago, and no one complained; all agreed. Why is Kobe different? Wikipedia is NOT a repository for every statistic ever. Honestly, how often are the stats going to be updated? Daily? Weekly? Yearly?
There are several hundred websites WHOSE JOB IT IS to keep track of stats, notably: NBA.com. This article should point to the existing stat sites; there is simply no justification for including the grid of stats on this article. Timneu22 ( talk) 20:38, 15 June 2009 (UTC)
Well just a note, the ice hockey project has a standard of not updating current season stats and has an "as of last season" type comment on stat tables. We just regularely revert stat additions mid season. And on articles that seem to have people constantly trying to add the stats we add an HTML comment in saying not to update till the end of season. Works quite well and we rarely have issues with it. Its been how we do things since atleast early 2006 and hasn't encountered any issues. Probably would work here too. - Djsasso ( talk) 04:37, 16 June 2009 (UTC)
I added a neutrality disputed template to the player profile section because the entire section is just to show how great some people think he is. Henry talk 19:30, 17 June 2009 (UTC)
Are are your specific concerns? -- Ted87 ( talk) 00:00, 14 July 2009 (UTC)
Well despite my attempt at making the section more neutral, the tag was still put back. If no one can give any reasons or suggestions then the the neutrality tag should be removed. -- Ted87 ( talk) 17:38, 23 July 2009 (UTC)
Sorry, I'm not great with how to go about this, but I noticed something missing from the article.
There are a few sources and it was aired on TNT before that Kobe chose the number "8" not because it was 143 added together as the article states, but rather as a tribute to one of his favorite players growing up in Italy, Knicks coach Mike D'antoni.
D'antoni was actually a teammate of Kobe's father, Jellybean Bryant in Italy. It actually references this slightly in the Mike D'Antoni wiki article: [1]
69.239.106.228 ( talk) 07:24, 25 July 2009 (UTC)Aleksi
It seems to me that at least one non-basketball image would be useful, if we have one. Why not include this one? Also, why is the Olympic team photo in the article if Bryant is not visible (unless I don't recognize him).-- TonyTheTiger ( t/ c/ bio/ WP:CHICAGO/ WP:LOTM) 21:35, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
And isn't this: a "non-basketball" image? I'm pretty certain it is. JoeJohnson2 ( talk) 22:43, 1 August 2009 (UTC)
Kobe bryant's religon is catholic. kobe attends mass every sunday and on the road kobe attends the local catholic church. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.240.56.162 ( talk) 20:53, 15 August 2009 (UTC)
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Wasn't too sure if it warranted an upload under fair use, so would this be the right way to go? Would anyone be against me inserting this within the article? It would fit in well in the "Coming up short (2002–04)" section. -- ĴoeĴohnson| 2 19:04, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
I don't think the SI cover or the 81 points picture would be covered under fair use. The high school jersey probably would, though. -- Ted87 ( talk) 05:21, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
kobe has been named the new man in the cover of the new nba 2k game series —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.219.65.66 ( talk) 13:40, 19 October 2009 (UTC)
While in high school, then 76ers coach John Lucas invited Bryant to workout - it should be "work out". 208.101.210.225 ( talk) 07:39, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
the second para, 4th line has a line "Since his second year in the league, Bryant has "started" in every..." it should have been Since his second year in the league, Bryant has "starred"( not started lol... ) in every NBA All-Star Game that has been hosted, including winning the All-Star MVP award in 2002, 2007, and 2009.
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Ashu pat007 (
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Wow, this page is so comprehensive but there are so many things in its way to becoming a Good Article. Stuff like referencing, dashes, grammar and general style. Manderiko ( talk) 13:51, 7 December 2009 (UTC)
It is stated in the last sentence of the section for the 2008-09 season that "Bryant was awarded his first NBA Finals MVP trophy upon winning his fourth championship, becoming the first player since Jerry West in the 1969 NBA Finals to average at least 32.4 points and 7.4 assists for a series and the first since Michael Jordan to average 30 points, 5 rebounds and 5 assists for a title-winning team."
I think this makes it seem like no other player in any playoff series has ever averaged at least 32.4 points and 7.4 assists since 1969. However, Michael Jordan averaged 35.7 points and 8.3 assists against New York Knicks in 1989 playoffs if I'm not mistaken. The reference article from ESPN also mentions that this is a finals series record(not playoff series overall) post 1969. Cihan Bahran ( talk) 18:42, 3 January 2010 (UTC)
There is a spelling error under endorsements: "In 2009, Bryant signed a deal with Nubeo to market the "Black Mamba collection", a line of sports/luxary watches that range from $25,000 to $285,000." It should be luxury.
Algiers23 ( talk) 15:28, 21 January 2010 (UTC)
Bryant started the 1999–2000 season sidelined for six weeks due to an injury to his hand in a preseason game against the Washington Wizards.[47] With Bryant back and playing the first full season as a starter, he saw an increase in all statistical categories in the 1999–2000 season. This included leading the team in assists per game and steals per game. The duo of O'Neal and Bryant backed with a strong bench lead to the Lakers winning 67 games
1)Kobe was sidelined for six weeks. He didn't play his first full season until '00-'01 due to the lockout in '98-'99 and injury in '99-'00.
2)lead needs to be led. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.24.166.228 ( talk) 06:09, 30 January 2010 (UTC)
The photo with the President has in its description the first and last name of President but leaves out the prefix of "President". This needs to be changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.193.93.159 ( talk) 03:07, 2 February 2010
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kobe bryant recently said he told coach k he would have attended UNC
"Bryant has stated that had he decided to go to college after high school, he would have attended Duke University" should be changed to "Bryant has stated that had he decided to go to college after high school, he would have attended the University of North Carolina"
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