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Another long awaited article! But shouldn't it be called Knut Haakonsson? I can't see that any of the other Norwegian earls have their title included in the article title. I suggest a move to Knut Haakonsson. -- Barend 14:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Lead of the text: hopefully, no one is claiming that he was in no sense "of Norway", as he certainly was, at least as its jarl. Marrtel 21:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
-- Barend 21:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
This is not a NAMING style question at all. Name of the article is different than how I started the text of the article. Manuals of Style recommend compromises. When we cannot give him "of Norway" in the article title, that can be amended in the start. A different thing is if we move the whole article to Canute, Earl of Norway... but has anyone supported yet such move... Marrtel 21:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I would prefer omitting the Jarl title and "of Norway" from both the title and the first sentence. I don't think it's needed any more than we need to have an article at President George W. Bush. Haukur 01:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the usage of "earl of Norway" should be avoided as this can give the reader the impression that he ruled Norway as a fief. (Perhaps "Norway's earl" or "earl in Norway" are better?). As a sidenote I find the usage of "Jarl Knut" a bit odd and would prefer either "Earl Knut" or "Knut jarl", but this is not a big issue. Fornadan (t) 19:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
It does not seem to be mentioned her, but according to the sources I have been consulting in trying to establish a historical veracity in the royal genealogies of Medieval Svandinavia, he might be the father of Cecilia Knutsdotter, previously though to be the daughter of Knut Birgerson.
This is a separate question from the article title, so I'll put it under a new heading: The first sentence of the article, i.e. the bit in bold text, should show the name the person was actually known under. Knut Haakonsson of Norway is an entirely artificial construct, which doesn't appear in either sources or historical litterature. I am therefore deleting of Norway from the first sentence. Most of the other contributors to the discussion page seem to share this view. The name Knut Haakonsson jarl does appear in sources, so whether that should be the new heading is another question. -- Barend 15:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED to Knut Haakonsson per discussion below. I chose the double-'a' instead of the 'å' character because of WP:UE. If we determine that he's generally known, in English language sources, with the 'å' spelling, then we can move the page there, but for now, we've at least implemented the consensus about dropping the "Jarl" from the title. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Jarl Knut Haakonsson → Knut Haakonsson — Follows the norm for articles about Norwegian jarls, near-consensus reached on talk page Barend 17:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
As Sigo also commented on this in the survey I would like to add and restate that I prefer the Knut Håkonsson variant. Inge 17:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
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Another long awaited article! But shouldn't it be called Knut Haakonsson? I can't see that any of the other Norwegian earls have their title included in the article title. I suggest a move to Knut Haakonsson. -- Barend 14:20, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
Lead of the text: hopefully, no one is claiming that he was in no sense "of Norway", as he certainly was, at least as its jarl. Marrtel 21:13, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
-- Barend 21:16, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
This is not a NAMING style question at all. Name of the article is different than how I started the text of the article. Manuals of Style recommend compromises. When we cannot give him "of Norway" in the article title, that can be amended in the start. A different thing is if we move the whole article to Canute, Earl of Norway... but has anyone supported yet such move... Marrtel 21:38, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
I would prefer omitting the Jarl title and "of Norway" from both the title and the first sentence. I don't think it's needed any more than we need to have an article at President George W. Bush. Haukur 01:24, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
I think the usage of "earl of Norway" should be avoided as this can give the reader the impression that he ruled Norway as a fief. (Perhaps "Norway's earl" or "earl in Norway" are better?). As a sidenote I find the usage of "Jarl Knut" a bit odd and would prefer either "Earl Knut" or "Knut jarl", but this is not a big issue. Fornadan (t) 19:07, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
It does not seem to be mentioned her, but according to the sources I have been consulting in trying to establish a historical veracity in the royal genealogies of Medieval Svandinavia, he might be the father of Cecilia Knutsdotter, previously though to be the daughter of Knut Birgerson.
This is a separate question from the article title, so I'll put it under a new heading: The first sentence of the article, i.e. the bit in bold text, should show the name the person was actually known under. Knut Haakonsson of Norway is an entirely artificial construct, which doesn't appear in either sources or historical litterature. I am therefore deleting of Norway from the first sentence. Most of the other contributors to the discussion page seem to share this view. The name Knut Haakonsson jarl does appear in sources, so whether that should be the new heading is another question. -- Barend 15:23, 16 January 2007 (UTC)
The result of the debate was PAGE MOVED to Knut Haakonsson per discussion below. I chose the double-'a' instead of the 'å' character because of WP:UE. If we determine that he's generally known, in English language sources, with the 'å' spelling, then we can move the page there, but for now, we've at least implemented the consensus about dropping the "Jarl" from the title. - GTBacchus( talk) 22:05, 27 January 2007 (UTC)
Jarl Knut Haakonsson → Knut Haakonsson — Follows the norm for articles about Norwegian jarls, near-consensus reached on talk page Barend 17:15, 21 January 2007 (UTC)
As Sigo also commented on this in the survey I would like to add and restate that I prefer the Knut Håkonsson variant. Inge 17:55, 21 January 2007 (UTC)