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This paragraph below concerns the first templar being interrogated at Chinon Castle (Raymbaud de Caron, preceptor the commandaries ofTemplar Knights in Outremer). De Caro publicly takes an oath on a bible and talking out loud, describes how during the ceremony when he was first initiated into the Order, everything was proper, but directly after the ceremony he was told to denounce the cross and, thinking it was a regular part of the initiation, did so. The next day after his initiation, he privately revealed this to his blood relative (a bishop) what happened during the Sacrament of Confession, was given a Penance and absolution.
In the year of our Lord 1308, the 6th indiction, on the 17th day of August, in the 3d year of the pontificate of the said Pope Clement V, brother Raymbaud de Caron, preceptor the commandaries ofTemplar Knights in Outremer, was brought in front of us, the aforementioned fathers, to the town of Chinon of the Tours diocese.With his hand on the Holy Gospel of the Lord he took an oath that he would speak pure and complete truth about himself as well individuals and brothers of the Order, and about the Order itself, concerningquestions of Catholic faith and the Rule of the said Order, and alsoabout five particular individuals and brothers of the Order. Diligently interrogated by us about the time and circumstances of his initiationin the order he said that it was been forty-thee years or thereabouts since he had been knighted and admitted into the Templar Order by brother Roncelin de Fos, at the time preceptor of Provence, in the town of Richarenchess, in the diocese of Carpentras or Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux, in the chapel of the local Templarcommandery. During the ceremony the patron said nothing to the novicethat was not proper, but after the admittance a servant-brother came upto him whose name he does not recall, for he has been dead for a longtime. He took him aside holding a small cross under his cloak, and whenall the brothers exited and they remained alone, that is thisbrother-servant and the speaker, this brother-servant showed this crossto the speaker who does not recall whether it bore the effigy of the crucifix or not, but believes however, that there was a crucifix eitherpainted or carved. And this brother-servant told the speaker: “You must denounce this one.” And the speaker, not believing himself to becommitting a sin, said: “And so, I denounce.” That brother-servant alsotold the speaker that he should preserve purity and chastity, but if hecould not do so, it was better to be done secretly than publicly. Thespeaker also said that his denunciation did not come from the heart,but from the mouth. Then he said that the next day he revealed this tothe bishop of Carpentras, his blood relative, who was present in the said place, and the bishop told him that he had acted wrongly and committed a sin. Then the interrogated confessed on this account to thesame bishop and was assigned penances with he completed, according to him.
He goes on to state (to the Cardinal who is at that moment “publically” interrogating him at Chinon that he never did any of the other things he was accused of (see the translation for specifics). Then Raymbaud de Caron is given the private
Sacrament of Penance by this Cardinal at Chinon and “absolved” from
Excommunication” thereby able to be forgiven by God and once again able to be a part of the Church (and receive the Sacraments). See below
After this oath, by the authority of lord Pope specifically granted to us for that purpose, we extended to this humbly asking brother Raymbaud, in a form accepted by the Church the mercy of absolution from the verdict of excommunication that had been incurred by the aforementioned deeds, restoring him to unity with the Church and reinstating him for communion of the faithful and sacraments of the Church.
Then comes Geoffroi de Charney, (in paragraph 6 through 10) and basically the same thing happens. First a “public” confession, then a “private confession” (through the Sacrament of Penance as described above) then the “absolution” and Penance.
Also, on the same day, brother knightGeoffroy of Charny, preceptor of commanderies of the Templar Order inNormandy, appearing personally in the previously described manner andform, in our presence, and in the presence of notaries, as well aswitnesses, modestly swore with his hand on the Gospel of the Lord andwas questioned about the manner of his reception into the said Order.He testified that it has well been forty years or thereabouts since hewas accepted into the Order of Knights Templar by brother Amaury de laRoche, the preceptor of France in Étamps of the diocese of Sens, in thechapel of the local Templar commandery. Present at the ceremony werebrother Jean le Franceys, preceptor of Pédenac, and nine, ten or sobrothers of the said Order whom he all believed to be dead now. Andthen, once he had been accepted in the order and the cloak of the orderhad been placed on his shoulders, the brother who performed the ceremony took him aside within the same chapel and showed him a crucifix with an effigy of Christ, and told him that he should not believe in the Crucified, but should in fact denounce Him. Then the newly accepted brother at the demand of the said recipient denounced Him verbally, but not in his heart. Also, he said that at the time of his induction, the novice kissed the recipient on the mouth and in his chest through the garment as a sign of reverence.
After this, we concluded to extend themercy of absolution for these acts to brother Geoffroy, who in the form and manner described above had denounced in our presence the describedand any other heresy, and swore in person on the Lord’s Holy Gospel,and humbly asked for the mercy of absolution, restoring him to unitywith the Church and reinstating him for communion of the faithful and sacraments of the Church.
Then, the same happens with brotherGeoffroy de Gonneville. *see translation”
Then, the same happens with brother Hugo de Pérraud, preceptor of Templar. “See Translation”
Then, comes Jacques de Molay, grandmaster of the Orderof Knights Templar. See “translation”
Then in paragraph 32 of the document it is stated that a notary records the “public” confessions and witnesses also sign this document.
Robert de Condet, cleric ofthe diocese of Soissons, a notary by apostolic power, who was among ustogether with notaries and witnesses listed below, to record and makepublic as evidence these confessions
The Cardinal, invested by the Pope then “pardons” the Templars from Excommunication and restores them to the Sacraments.
http://www.inrebus.com/chinon.php
The “absolution” is with the “private” “Sacrament of Penance” and the Pardon is the pardon of the Pope of “Excommunication” as given by the Cardinals who did the “private” and “public” confessions.
The “absolution” only refers to the “private” “Sacrament of Penance”. The “pardon” has to do with the “public” removal of “Excommunication”. The word "absolution" only means one thing in the Roman Catholic Church - and rhis was well-understood in medieval times as it was one of the foundations on which it was formed - what Christ directed to his apostles, then carried down to every priest thereafter. http://www.knightstemplar.org/KTnews/ia.htm ALSO http://www.masonicnetwork.org/blog/2009/the-chinon-parchment-were-the-knights-templar-pardoned/ ALSO http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Knights_Templar ALSO; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1565252/Vatican-paper-set-to-clear-Knights-Templar.html
I know this may seem very confusing, especially to a non-Roman Catholic. Indeed, some websites misuse the terms. But this is what actually happened.
The Pope could not “absolve” the individual Templars because he did not hear their “private” confessions. The Cardinal, on behalf of the Pope, did hear their “private confessions” and did so. What the Pope did was to either “pardon” them afterwards or give the Cardinal at Chinon the power to do so, releasing them from “Excommunication” and, thus “savings their souls”.
The Cardinal could not reveal what was said in the "private Confessions" because of the Seal of the Confessional, well known in the Middle Ages as it is today. That is why there were "Public" Confessions as well as "Private" Confessions in each instance as referenced in the document. The word absolved is used incorrectly because in the Roman Catholic Liturgy absolution only refers to one thing and one thing only - that given by the individual priest (in this case a Cardinal, who is also a priest) after Confession. It always has.
MY NOTE: I was raised a Roman Catholic and have attended twelve years of Catholic school.
As we all know, this was all a great farce, a corrupt and greedy Pope, putting on a great performance to share in the lucrative spoils. The confessions were, of course, all forced, the men, already weak and dying, and the Pope trying to save face while all the time being aligned with the French King to find an excuse for the stealing of their money and vast land holdings, ironically, one of which was Chinon Castle, where they were when this particular episode happened.
The good thing about Wikipedia is that if all editors work together for truth, a good article can be produced.
The bad thing about Wikipedia is that if some editors work only with themselves, an inaccurate article is produced. This is now an inaccurate article in that the Chinon parchment is inaccurately explained. You almost got it right in the Trial of the Knights Templar where you said you followed the Latin text, but not quite. Apparently you failed to look under the link for Absolution. The Pope cannot give absolution long distance. He also cannot give a general absolution because the second requirement could not be satisfied. You are reading but not understanding your own references. Mugginsx ( talk) 14:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Lung salad ( talk) 18:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that canon law was distinct from Roman/civil law and local customs by this point, so there definitely was a separate ecclesiastical law. Of course, sometimes laws overlapped, but still, canon law was a distinct thing. Adam Bishop ( talk) 22:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Just as a note, I went through and did some periodic cleanup on the article, making the spelling consistent with American spelling, and moving a few overly detailed sections out to the History of the Knights Templar article. The references could probably also do with some cleanup, to make sure they're consistent with the style that was approved when this article was promoted to FA status. -- El on ka 17:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not a good wiki editor, so I leave this to someone who knows what they are doing. I think it is important to mention that the Templars have been declared innocent by the Vatican just a few years ago, on the 700th anniversary of their persecution.
source: http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=2623
I think this is important information to include in the wiki regarding the history and legacy of the Knights Templar.
205.172.134.23 ( talk) 20:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
It's obvious how the knights templar were actually negotiators and helpers to other people to finding a simple journey or destination, as well with secrets, other than the film showing them as men of killing innocent blood. The real Templars, although, most of them were more like the Hospitallers in the film, helping Balian of Ibelin and keeping the kingdom and secrets of the world safe.-- 74.34.86.120 ( talk) 17:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Not only the freemasons, but there is a bold connection between the Committee of the Red Cross (also known as the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement) and the Knights Templar, as well. The foundation of the committee was founded in Switzerland, where it was rumored some of the men fled to the highlands of Switzerland. It is here where they are maybe still helping and healing the meek and disabled so others may know they are still here and are continuously epic to help others for generations to come. -- 74.34.91.56 ( talk) 03:13, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
One Source Book out of various few:
Source Book | last = Quellmalz | first = Alfred | title = "Henri Dunant und die Templer" | publisher = Gebietsleitung d. Tempelgesellschaft, | year= 1964 | location = Stuttgart, Germany | pages = 62 | isbn = 978-3639064797
The Latin name in the English language version of the article appears to be misspelled, imposing the English spelling of "Solomon" in "Solomonici", when proper Latin (as used in articles in other languages, including Latin) would be "Salomon" and "Salomonici".
Is this just a typo to be corrected? Or is there a proper reason behind this difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.151.225 ( talk) 19:42, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
In section entitled "Arrests, Charges, and Dissolution", the article states the following
In 1305, the new Pope Clement V, based in Avignon, France during the period known as the Great Schism, sent letters to both the Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay and the Hospitaller Grand Master Fulk de Villaret to discuss the possibility of merging the two Orders.
The Great Schism (or more accurately the Western Schism) occurred from 1378 - 1418, more than 70 years AFTER the above mentioned date. Shouldn't this reference to the Great Schism be removed? Its confusing and seems to be factually incorrect unless the author was referring to something else. I'm not an experience Wiki editor so I wanted to bring it up here for discussion. Segdae22 ( talk) 13:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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The grammar issues in the "Freemasonry" section are so severe that it's unclear what the author was even trying to say. Could someone rewrite this section?
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The article went to great lengths to give examples to back there claims and the history of the order comes across as being spot on. In my opinion I would recommend this article to anyone wanting to learn about the knights Templar and believe that it is accurate based off the editors in the footnotes. it explains its points with historical evidence and goes into detail in describing things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.52.163 ( talk) 02:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC) Patl ( talk) 21:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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Remove the "Entertainment" section at the beginning of the protected article, its an ad for a web site selling playing cards. 95.180.223.203 ( talk) 17:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
This article is promoting the old propaganda of 9 knights protecting thousands of Christian pilgrims. That's a mathematical impossibility. The current understanding is that this was a front for them to excavate the Temple Mount and the Jesus Family Tomb upon the highest hill in East Talpiot. They discovered some very important concrete information that conflicted with Roman Catholic dogma. 2601:589:4700:2390:C129:9F7B:16E0:CDCC ( talk) 15:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
It therein reads: "In 1119, the French knight Hugues de Payens approached King Baldwin II of Jerusalem"
Knowing how much of France (right up until 20th century) was not France, an citation is needed anent 'Hugues de Payens' said Frenchness. He at least seems not to of been born in France but in whatever the abodes (if truly born thereat) Troyes stood within. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.171.102 ( talk) 23:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
In the game Plague Inc. by Ndemic Creations, for the undead-based, Vampire-themed, Shadow Plague special plague type expansion, there is a fictional Private Military Multinational/International or Global Corporation and Company called "Templar Industries" or "Templar Enterprises", which is the primary dedicated hostile enemy or threat and countermeasure force to hunt down the vampire or vampires, the infected, and to help protect cure research, development, and deployment for the Shadow Plague itself.
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Something should be added to reflect that a youth group for boys was created under the supervision of Freemasonary that uses the name of DeMolay. It was started in 1919 by Louis Lower and Frank S. Land. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maquiscat ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
You'd be better off going to Quora and reading my answers. John Templar.Cite error: There are <ref>
tags on this page without content in them (see the
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John Templar, I do not know you however I AM a templar. Knighted son of a templar, of a templar, of a templar that has a traced Templar lineage back to the 14th century. on top of that I have family stories going back much further. When I come here and read these kind of things it makes me chuckle because people have it so wrong. The people that are being quoted as the "historical sources" or "expert sources" themselves are wrong so it's garbage in, garbage out. It's the "populist" history of my family. Sometimes it makes me sad to read it and see just how wrong certain parts are but still, there is nothing that can be done because these people want to be told by people that they trust what the truth is regardless of whether those people are wrong or not. I was going to correct some things like the bit where they said that The "Templars did not perform knighting ceremonies, so any knight wishing to become a Knight Templar had to be a knight already." Dominic Selwood, the source that the are quoting, was correct up to 1312 but false after 1312 as we knighted from knight to knight during the escape. In the end I realized that there is no real point in correcting them. They don't agree or even want to know the truth of actual templars. Not really. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.141.196.126 ( talk) 06:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
And this is why Wikipedia will never be correct on our history as we do not work like that. All Wikipedia will be able to do is quote people that have been published and do not know us in the slightest 110.141.196.126 ( talk) 06:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
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The wikipedia article on the Swiss Guard starts: "The Pontifical Swiss Guard (also Papal Swiss Guard or simply Swiss Guard; Latin: Pontificia Cohors Helvetica;[2] Italian: Guardia Svizzera Pontificia; German: Päpstliche Schweizergarde; French: Garde suisse pontificale; Romansh: Guardia svizra papala) is a minor armed forces and honour guards unit maintained by the Holy See that protects the Pope and the Apostolic Palace, serving as the de facto military of Vatican City."
That opener tells me concisely what the Swiss Guard is, what its purpose is/what it does, who it answers to. Below I have pasted this article's opener with some extraneous words, footnote markers, etc removed in order to focus in on my point - after reading the opener I don't have a clear sense of who/what the Knights Templar was. Was it just an army/military order? Was it a charity (for what?)? Was it a whole society (a la Freemasons)? Did they, like the Swiss Guard and the Freemasons, have a core ideology or mission/purpose?
The the Knights Templar was a Catholic military order founded in 1119, headquartered on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem through 1128 when they went to meet with Pope Honorius II. They were recognized in 1139 by the papal bull of Pope Innocent II. The order was active until 1312 when it was perpetually suppressed by Pope Clement V by the bull Vox. The Templars became a favored charity throughout Christendom, and grew rapidly in membership and power. They were prominent in Christian finance. Templar knights, in their distinctive white mantles with a red cross, were amongst the most skilled fighting units of the Crusades. Non-combatant members of the order, who made up as much as 90% of their members, managed a large economic infrastructure throughout Christendom, developing innovative financial techniques that were an early form of banking, building its own network of nearly 1,000 commanderies and fortifications across Europe and the Holy Land, and arguably forming the world's first multinational corporation. Niccast ( talk) 20:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
The name of the king of France is wrong. It was king Philip VI who sentenced them to death. 2804:1B3:A8C2:DF1F:DD1D:35A0:48DD:B7AC ( talk) 22:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)
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This paragraph below concerns the first templar being interrogated at Chinon Castle (Raymbaud de Caron, preceptor the commandaries ofTemplar Knights in Outremer). De Caro publicly takes an oath on a bible and talking out loud, describes how during the ceremony when he was first initiated into the Order, everything was proper, but directly after the ceremony he was told to denounce the cross and, thinking it was a regular part of the initiation, did so. The next day after his initiation, he privately revealed this to his blood relative (a bishop) what happened during the Sacrament of Confession, was given a Penance and absolution.
In the year of our Lord 1308, the 6th indiction, on the 17th day of August, in the 3d year of the pontificate of the said Pope Clement V, brother Raymbaud de Caron, preceptor the commandaries ofTemplar Knights in Outremer, was brought in front of us, the aforementioned fathers, to the town of Chinon of the Tours diocese.With his hand on the Holy Gospel of the Lord he took an oath that he would speak pure and complete truth about himself as well individuals and brothers of the Order, and about the Order itself, concerningquestions of Catholic faith and the Rule of the said Order, and alsoabout five particular individuals and brothers of the Order. Diligently interrogated by us about the time and circumstances of his initiationin the order he said that it was been forty-thee years or thereabouts since he had been knighted and admitted into the Templar Order by brother Roncelin de Fos, at the time preceptor of Provence, in the town of Richarenchess, in the diocese of Carpentras or Saint-Paul-Trois-Châteaux, in the chapel of the local Templarcommandery. During the ceremony the patron said nothing to the novicethat was not proper, but after the admittance a servant-brother came upto him whose name he does not recall, for he has been dead for a longtime. He took him aside holding a small cross under his cloak, and whenall the brothers exited and they remained alone, that is thisbrother-servant and the speaker, this brother-servant showed this crossto the speaker who does not recall whether it bore the effigy of the crucifix or not, but believes however, that there was a crucifix eitherpainted or carved. And this brother-servant told the speaker: “You must denounce this one.” And the speaker, not believing himself to becommitting a sin, said: “And so, I denounce.” That brother-servant alsotold the speaker that he should preserve purity and chastity, but if hecould not do so, it was better to be done secretly than publicly. Thespeaker also said that his denunciation did not come from the heart,but from the mouth. Then he said that the next day he revealed this tothe bishop of Carpentras, his blood relative, who was present in the said place, and the bishop told him that he had acted wrongly and committed a sin. Then the interrogated confessed on this account to thesame bishop and was assigned penances with he completed, according to him.
He goes on to state (to the Cardinal who is at that moment “publically” interrogating him at Chinon that he never did any of the other things he was accused of (see the translation for specifics). Then Raymbaud de Caron is given the private
Sacrament of Penance by this Cardinal at Chinon and “absolved” from
Excommunication” thereby able to be forgiven by God and once again able to be a part of the Church (and receive the Sacraments). See below
After this oath, by the authority of lord Pope specifically granted to us for that purpose, we extended to this humbly asking brother Raymbaud, in a form accepted by the Church the mercy of absolution from the verdict of excommunication that had been incurred by the aforementioned deeds, restoring him to unity with the Church and reinstating him for communion of the faithful and sacraments of the Church.
Then comes Geoffroi de Charney, (in paragraph 6 through 10) and basically the same thing happens. First a “public” confession, then a “private confession” (through the Sacrament of Penance as described above) then the “absolution” and Penance.
Also, on the same day, brother knightGeoffroy of Charny, preceptor of commanderies of the Templar Order inNormandy, appearing personally in the previously described manner andform, in our presence, and in the presence of notaries, as well aswitnesses, modestly swore with his hand on the Gospel of the Lord andwas questioned about the manner of his reception into the said Order.He testified that it has well been forty years or thereabouts since hewas accepted into the Order of Knights Templar by brother Amaury de laRoche, the preceptor of France in Étamps of the diocese of Sens, in thechapel of the local Templar commandery. Present at the ceremony werebrother Jean le Franceys, preceptor of Pédenac, and nine, ten or sobrothers of the said Order whom he all believed to be dead now. Andthen, once he had been accepted in the order and the cloak of the orderhad been placed on his shoulders, the brother who performed the ceremony took him aside within the same chapel and showed him a crucifix with an effigy of Christ, and told him that he should not believe in the Crucified, but should in fact denounce Him. Then the newly accepted brother at the demand of the said recipient denounced Him verbally, but not in his heart. Also, he said that at the time of his induction, the novice kissed the recipient on the mouth and in his chest through the garment as a sign of reverence.
After this, we concluded to extend themercy of absolution for these acts to brother Geoffroy, who in the form and manner described above had denounced in our presence the describedand any other heresy, and swore in person on the Lord’s Holy Gospel,and humbly asked for the mercy of absolution, restoring him to unitywith the Church and reinstating him for communion of the faithful and sacraments of the Church.
Then, the same happens with brotherGeoffroy de Gonneville. *see translation”
Then, the same happens with brother Hugo de Pérraud, preceptor of Templar. “See Translation”
Then, comes Jacques de Molay, grandmaster of the Orderof Knights Templar. See “translation”
Then in paragraph 32 of the document it is stated that a notary records the “public” confessions and witnesses also sign this document.
Robert de Condet, cleric ofthe diocese of Soissons, a notary by apostolic power, who was among ustogether with notaries and witnesses listed below, to record and makepublic as evidence these confessions
The Cardinal, invested by the Pope then “pardons” the Templars from Excommunication and restores them to the Sacraments.
http://www.inrebus.com/chinon.php
The “absolution” is with the “private” “Sacrament of Penance” and the Pardon is the pardon of the Pope of “Excommunication” as given by the Cardinals who did the “private” and “public” confessions.
The “absolution” only refers to the “private” “Sacrament of Penance”. The “pardon” has to do with the “public” removal of “Excommunication”. The word "absolution" only means one thing in the Roman Catholic Church - and rhis was well-understood in medieval times as it was one of the foundations on which it was formed - what Christ directed to his apostles, then carried down to every priest thereafter. http://www.knightstemplar.org/KTnews/ia.htm ALSO http://www.masonicnetwork.org/blog/2009/the-chinon-parchment-were-the-knights-templar-pardoned/ ALSO http://www.thelemapedia.org/index.php/Knights_Templar ALSO; http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1565252/Vatican-paper-set-to-clear-Knights-Templar.html
I know this may seem very confusing, especially to a non-Roman Catholic. Indeed, some websites misuse the terms. But this is what actually happened.
The Pope could not “absolve” the individual Templars because he did not hear their “private” confessions. The Cardinal, on behalf of the Pope, did hear their “private confessions” and did so. What the Pope did was to either “pardon” them afterwards or give the Cardinal at Chinon the power to do so, releasing them from “Excommunication” and, thus “savings their souls”.
The Cardinal could not reveal what was said in the "private Confessions" because of the Seal of the Confessional, well known in the Middle Ages as it is today. That is why there were "Public" Confessions as well as "Private" Confessions in each instance as referenced in the document. The word absolved is used incorrectly because in the Roman Catholic Liturgy absolution only refers to one thing and one thing only - that given by the individual priest (in this case a Cardinal, who is also a priest) after Confession. It always has.
MY NOTE: I was raised a Roman Catholic and have attended twelve years of Catholic school.
As we all know, this was all a great farce, a corrupt and greedy Pope, putting on a great performance to share in the lucrative spoils. The confessions were, of course, all forced, the men, already weak and dying, and the Pope trying to save face while all the time being aligned with the French King to find an excuse for the stealing of their money and vast land holdings, ironically, one of which was Chinon Castle, where they were when this particular episode happened.
The good thing about Wikipedia is that if all editors work together for truth, a good article can be produced.
The bad thing about Wikipedia is that if some editors work only with themselves, an inaccurate article is produced. This is now an inaccurate article in that the Chinon parchment is inaccurately explained. You almost got it right in the Trial of the Knights Templar where you said you followed the Latin text, but not quite. Apparently you failed to look under the link for Absolution. The Pope cannot give absolution long distance. He also cannot give a general absolution because the second requirement could not be satisfied. You are reading but not understanding your own references. Mugginsx ( talk) 14:24, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Lung salad ( talk) 18:39, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
I just wanted to point out that canon law was distinct from Roman/civil law and local customs by this point, so there definitely was a separate ecclesiastical law. Of course, sometimes laws overlapped, but still, canon law was a distinct thing. Adam Bishop ( talk) 22:12, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
Just as a note, I went through and did some periodic cleanup on the article, making the spelling consistent with American spelling, and moving a few overly detailed sections out to the History of the Knights Templar article. The references could probably also do with some cleanup, to make sure they're consistent with the style that was approved when this article was promoted to FA status. -- El on ka 17:43, 18 February 2012 (UTC)
I'm not a good wiki editor, so I leave this to someone who knows what they are doing. I think it is important to mention that the Templars have been declared innocent by the Vatican just a few years ago, on the 700th anniversary of their persecution.
source: http://www.theinsider.org/news/article.asp?id=2623
I think this is important information to include in the wiki regarding the history and legacy of the Knights Templar.
205.172.134.23 ( talk) 20:14, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
It's obvious how the knights templar were actually negotiators and helpers to other people to finding a simple journey or destination, as well with secrets, other than the film showing them as men of killing innocent blood. The real Templars, although, most of them were more like the Hospitallers in the film, helping Balian of Ibelin and keeping the kingdom and secrets of the world safe.-- 74.34.86.120 ( talk) 17:08, 17 April 2012 (UTC)
Not only the freemasons, but there is a bold connection between the Committee of the Red Cross (also known as the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Movement) and the Knights Templar, as well. The foundation of the committee was founded in Switzerland, where it was rumored some of the men fled to the highlands of Switzerland. It is here where they are maybe still helping and healing the meek and disabled so others may know they are still here and are continuously epic to help others for generations to come. -- 74.34.91.56 ( talk) 03:13, 6 June 2012 (UTC)
One Source Book out of various few:
Source Book | last = Quellmalz | first = Alfred | title = "Henri Dunant und die Templer" | publisher = Gebietsleitung d. Tempelgesellschaft, | year= 1964 | location = Stuttgart, Germany | pages = 62 | isbn = 978-3639064797
The Latin name in the English language version of the article appears to be misspelled, imposing the English spelling of "Solomon" in "Solomonici", when proper Latin (as used in articles in other languages, including Latin) would be "Salomon" and "Salomonici".
Is this just a typo to be corrected? Or is there a proper reason behind this difference? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.25.151.225 ( talk) 19:42, 17 November 2012 (UTC)
In section entitled "Arrests, Charges, and Dissolution", the article states the following
In 1305, the new Pope Clement V, based in Avignon, France during the period known as the Great Schism, sent letters to both the Templar Grand Master Jacques de Molay and the Hospitaller Grand Master Fulk de Villaret to discuss the possibility of merging the two Orders.
The Great Schism (or more accurately the Western Schism) occurred from 1378 - 1418, more than 70 years AFTER the above mentioned date. Shouldn't this reference to the Great Schism be removed? Its confusing and seems to be factually incorrect unless the author was referring to something else. I'm not an experience Wiki editor so I wanted to bring it up here for discussion. Segdae22 ( talk) 13:37, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
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The grammar issues in the "Freemasonry" section are so severe that it's unclear what the author was even trying to say. Could someone rewrite this section?
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The article went to great lengths to give examples to back there claims and the history of the order comes across as being spot on. In my opinion I would recommend this article to anyone wanting to learn about the knights Templar and believe that it is accurate based off the editors in the footnotes. it explains its points with historical evidence and goes into detail in describing things. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.84.52.163 ( talk) 02:44, 23 October 2015 (UTC) Patl ( talk) 21:12, 22 May 2017 (UTC)
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Remove the "Entertainment" section at the beginning of the protected article, its an ad for a web site selling playing cards. 95.180.223.203 ( talk) 17:19, 7 November 2017 (UTC)
This article is promoting the old propaganda of 9 knights protecting thousands of Christian pilgrims. That's a mathematical impossibility. The current understanding is that this was a front for them to excavate the Temple Mount and the Jesus Family Tomb upon the highest hill in East Talpiot. They discovered some very important concrete information that conflicted with Roman Catholic dogma. 2601:589:4700:2390:C129:9F7B:16E0:CDCC ( talk) 15:58, 9 November 2017 (UTC)
It therein reads: "In 1119, the French knight Hugues de Payens approached King Baldwin II of Jerusalem"
Knowing how much of France (right up until 20th century) was not France, an citation is needed anent 'Hugues de Payens' said Frenchness. He at least seems not to of been born in France but in whatever the abodes (if truly born thereat) Troyes stood within. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.157.171.102 ( talk) 23:43, 7 January 2019 (UTC)
In the game Plague Inc. by Ndemic Creations, for the undead-based, Vampire-themed, Shadow Plague special plague type expansion, there is a fictional Private Military Multinational/International or Global Corporation and Company called "Templar Industries" or "Templar Enterprises", which is the primary dedicated hostile enemy or threat and countermeasure force to hunt down the vampire or vampires, the infected, and to help protect cure research, development, and deployment for the Shadow Plague itself.
--Krextzin 22:02, 15 April 2019 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Krextzin ( talk • contribs)
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Something should be added to reflect that a youth group for boys was created under the supervision of Freemasonary that uses the name of DeMolay. It was started in 1919 by Louis Lower and Frank S. Land. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Maquiscat ( talk • contribs) 00:40, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
You'd be better off going to Quora and reading my answers. John Templar.Cite error: There are <ref>
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John Templar, I do not know you however I AM a templar. Knighted son of a templar, of a templar, of a templar that has a traced Templar lineage back to the 14th century. on top of that I have family stories going back much further. When I come here and read these kind of things it makes me chuckle because people have it so wrong. The people that are being quoted as the "historical sources" or "expert sources" themselves are wrong so it's garbage in, garbage out. It's the "populist" history of my family. Sometimes it makes me sad to read it and see just how wrong certain parts are but still, there is nothing that can be done because these people want to be told by people that they trust what the truth is regardless of whether those people are wrong or not. I was going to correct some things like the bit where they said that The "Templars did not perform knighting ceremonies, so any knight wishing to become a Knight Templar had to be a knight already." Dominic Selwood, the source that the are quoting, was correct up to 1312 but false after 1312 as we knighted from knight to knight during the escape. In the end I realized that there is no real point in correcting them. They don't agree or even want to know the truth of actual templars. Not really. [1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by 110.141.196.126 ( talk) 06:27, 10 January 2021 (UTC)
And this is why Wikipedia will never be correct on our history as we do not work like that. All Wikipedia will be able to do is quote people that have been published and do not know us in the slightest 110.141.196.126 ( talk) 06:27, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
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The wikipedia article on the Swiss Guard starts: "The Pontifical Swiss Guard (also Papal Swiss Guard or simply Swiss Guard; Latin: Pontificia Cohors Helvetica;[2] Italian: Guardia Svizzera Pontificia; German: Päpstliche Schweizergarde; French: Garde suisse pontificale; Romansh: Guardia svizra papala) is a minor armed forces and honour guards unit maintained by the Holy See that protects the Pope and the Apostolic Palace, serving as the de facto military of Vatican City."
That opener tells me concisely what the Swiss Guard is, what its purpose is/what it does, who it answers to. Below I have pasted this article's opener with some extraneous words, footnote markers, etc removed in order to focus in on my point - after reading the opener I don't have a clear sense of who/what the Knights Templar was. Was it just an army/military order? Was it a charity (for what?)? Was it a whole society (a la Freemasons)? Did they, like the Swiss Guard and the Freemasons, have a core ideology or mission/purpose?
The the Knights Templar was a Catholic military order founded in 1119, headquartered on the Temple Mount in Jerusalem through 1128 when they went to meet with Pope Honorius II. They were recognized in 1139 by the papal bull of Pope Innocent II. The order was active until 1312 when it was perpetually suppressed by Pope Clement V by the bull Vox. The Templars became a favored charity throughout Christendom, and grew rapidly in membership and power. They were prominent in Christian finance. Templar knights, in their distinctive white mantles with a red cross, were amongst the most skilled fighting units of the Crusades. Non-combatant members of the order, who made up as much as 90% of their members, managed a large economic infrastructure throughout Christendom, developing innovative financial techniques that were an early form of banking, building its own network of nearly 1,000 commanderies and fortifications across Europe and the Holy Land, and arguably forming the world's first multinational corporation. Niccast ( talk) 20:41, 18 September 2021 (UTC)
The name of the king of France is wrong. It was king Philip VI who sentenced them to death. 2804:1B3:A8C2:DF1F:DD1D:35A0:48DD:B7AC ( talk) 22:09, 13 August 2022 (UTC)