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I've copied text over to a separate Klingon writing systems page, as part of a proposal to break out the Writing systems section of Klingon language.
Reasoning:
If this is acceptable, the remaining step will be to replace that section in Klingon language with a link to this page. A similar link will also be placed in Klingonaase.
Translations and tags will also be needed. – SAJordan talk contribs 04:53, 9 Nov 2006 (UTC).
Was the name "pIqaD" /pɪqɑɖ/ intended to sound like Picard /pɪkɑɹd/? If so, this should probably be mentioned in the article. ( suoı̣ʇnqı̣ɹʇuoɔ · ʞlɐʇ) nɯnuı̣ɥԀ 23:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Article states:
The two "____" blanks above are where the IPA renditions at issue belong.
Previously the IPA values were shown as /t͡ɬ/ and /q͡χ/ respectively.
Now 169.233.72.162 (who has made no other edits anywhere) has changed these to /tɬ͡/ and /qχ͡/ respectively, as well as changing /t͡ɬ/ to /tɬ͡/ in the infobox, with no edit summary.
Please note that the voiceless alveolar lateral affricate article uses /t͡ɬ/ — as did this article previously.
It is my impression that the arch ("tie bar") should be over the two IPA characters (conjoining them as a single phoneme), not between the latter and the closing "/". But I'm no expert. I'd like to have confirmation or correction from someone more familiar with IPA than myself, please.
In the absence of any explanation, and of any track record for this editor, I am reverting this alteration once. I'm not confident enough to do it twice.
Can anyone else conclusively determine the validity or invalidity of this alteration? – SAJordan talk contribs 08:13, 5 Dec 2006 (UTC).
I like the new "Canon" section. Though, a question: Are the two books Hamlet and ghIlghameS considered Canon? — N-true 02:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Where the word Qapla' appears in the text, in quotes, it is virtually impossible to see the ' at the end because it gets hidden in the double quotes. At first I thought you guys had mispelled it, and indeed I had to go to the "edit this page" to see the source to realize it was right, just impossible to see. I don't know what the right solution is, but as it is now, readers will draw an erroneous conclusion about what the word is.
--Captain Krankor, Grammarian, Klingon Language Institute
I bow to the Grammarian in his greater understanding of the language, however I know some speakers prefer to use ` rather than ' to accent the glotal stop - Qapla` - this avoids confusion when words are placed in quotation or speachmarks 'Qapla`' "Qapla`". This is non-standard use certainly but it seems to assist non speakers. Bat King 11 July 07
I propose we move that section to it's own article at Klingon language in popular culture, it's rather large relative to the rest of the article. Alpha Omicron 03:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
hmmm, I do not agree that (the accuracy of the statement is well-known; it is as likely that there are 100,000 speakers of Klingon hiding somewhere as it is that there a few million speakers of Navaho hiding somewhere) (undo) There is linguistic documentation proving the current rate of speakers of navajo, however any linguistic research on Klingon is highly subjective... and much of what is written in one source about it contradicts what is written in another source... wheras Navajo has a more cohesive outlook. Secondly it is quite debatable as what refers to as Klingon speech. To be included in this consesus must one speak all forms of thlingon Hol, or only thlingon Hol in Canon, or must one speak Klingonaase, or clipped Klingon, or all the forms of each Klingon "language"? Each of these is distinct from the other in some fashion. It is not known precisely how many speakers of Klingonaase there are in addition to tlhIngon Hol, canon or not canon, which is why I detest your claim that "it is well known" (by whom?) The only thing that can roughly be said that is well kown about either language from a societal standard is that Navajo is spoken conversationally and so is Klingon. Aside from that we don't enough about either language, although there is much more historical data on the Navajo language since Klingon is modern. Furthermore, does one have to be relatively fluent, or know only a few words of a language in order to be considered a 'speaker' of said language? Again, I reiterate, there are many issues presented as to what would classify a proper speaker of Klingon. And I also find it quite intriguing that there is no reference material for this point of view within the article. Chado2423 18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I am not stating that there are 100,000 speakers of Klingon. Instead I am stating that we do not have appropiate assesments of the number, which is why we can neither rightfully claim that there are or are not that number. "The Onion" is satircal so it cannot be used as a source, however THE KLI can and the closest thing I have found that may shed some light on the number of Klingon speakers is this: http://home.swipnet.se/~w-12689/survey.htm. This article references KLI's consensus of Klingon speakers. It is the best official estimation, however a linguistic approach would be more beneficial. My argument is that it is invalid to state that there is or is not any number, and to make any claim on any topic without a verifiable source is just poor authorship. "It is well known" what source is it well known by? This "general knowledge" is poor by wikipedia's standards. At the very least whoever wrote this could have attributed a source to their p.o.v. I believe we could at least reference the KLI'S estimation, in which that they claim that they make it clear that they do not know how many speakers there are, except that it is over 200 something. Please do not misunderstand that I am saying that there are only 200 to 300 speakers, nor am I saying that there are 100,000 or more. Instead I am saying that it would be best to find linguistic research, and find a more appropiate consesus rather than attributing it to percieved "general knowledge." Chado2423 03:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. In the sidebar, it says 12 fluent speakers in 1996. In the article it says "According to Guinness World Records for 2006, it is the most spoken fictional language by number of speakers." The Esperanto article has estimates for that language of 100,000-2 million speakers, and 200-2000 *native* speakers. One wonders where the Guiness claim came from. -- Mindstalk ( talk) 21:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
In an episode of Frasier, a Jewish Trekkie coworker called Noel performs an act of revenge by translating into Klingon, rather than Hebrew, a speech which Frasier gives at his son's bar mitzvah. I am mildly curious to know whether or not this was authentic Klingon. PDAWSON3 ( talk) 10:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
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Pardon me, as I do not speak Klingon. Quoted from the article:
"They often greet each other with the Klingon word nuqneH (literally: "What do you want?"). This is the only greeting in Klingon."
Perhaps that IS the only greeting currently used. How ever, I recall hearing an interview with some Star Trek authors, many years ago. In response to requests the created a Klingon greeting, which translated to: "Have you fought recently?" Saxophobia ( talk) 23:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is /v/ not in a labio-dental column? Why is /w/ not a voiced labio-velar approximant as defined in the IPA handbook? -- Evertype· ✆ 22:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
In the Undiscovered Country, didn't General Chang make the remark about Shakespeare being best read in the original Klingon?
I think it is wrong to analyze the distinction between speakers, body parts and others as gender. In the Klingon Dictionary, Marc Okrand clearly states that Klingon does not respect gender. It is understandable that the difference between, for example, the different plural markers, the most variable suffix in this respect, the distinction being made is not a real gender system, but a distinction of animacy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.106.138 ( talk) 01:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I have been told from the United States Copyright Office that "a language of itself is not protected by copyright" (I had asked specifically about conlangs), which agrees with the article. However, it would be nice to have a citable reference for this. Does anyone know one? kwami ( talk) 07:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
This copyright section is a complete mess. For one, the Loglan/Lojban litigation only ever involved trademark, not copyright. I just spoke to Robert Lechevalier yesterday about this, but feel free to look at the court of appeals records of the litigation.
Second, it is an unsettled question whether a constructed language can be copyrighted or not. There has never been litigation to solve that question, nor has there been any academic legal theories analyzing that question nor any scholarly work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kysius ( talk • contribs) 20:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Firstly: According to the main Wikipedia page, only 12 speakers are known throughout the world. Technically speaking, there are more speakers of binary code (due to encryption) than Klingon, yet there in no article on Binary (Cryptographic Language). Every person since childhood who played Commander Keen had memorized most of "standard galactic alphabet" but no-one really cares. Secondly: Is the Klingon language actually used by anyone on the cast of Star Trek? For example, the cast of Avatar speak some kind of language (which was actually documented by writers) although the Navii is never actually spoke it properly. The Rayman series by UBIsoft speak gibberish throughout the whole thing.
I removed the following uncited and doubtful text regarding the "German Myth" from the article. If you believe any part of it is accurate, please re-add it to the article, making appropriate citations to reliable sources. Thanks, Vectro ( talk) 14:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I always thought that it was Russians who claimed to have originally had Shakespeare, etc. I even think I remember Chekhov talking along those lines once or twice. Never heard this about Germans. Anyway: for what it's worth. Shocking Blue ( talk) 22:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
As a point of data: While I wouldn't put it past German nationalists, I never heard of a German claim to Shakespeare before reading this Wikipedia entry, so I consider that alleged myth itself highly doubtful. Maybe it refers to effects described in https://www.thelocal.de/20160422/unser-shakespeare-why-germans-are-so-obsessed-with-the-british-bard-shakespeare and https://www.dw.com/en/how-shakespeare-was-turned-into-a-german/a-19208040, but in neither article is the claim that Shakespeare himself was a German. And if that myth is indeed unkown here in Germany, it'll be somewhat hard to get a citation for its nonexistence. On the other hand I also never heard about a German translation of Shakespeare being better than the original, so I'd say only the first part should be re-added. – Jürgen Lerch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.72.170.165 ( talk) 06:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
There is an opera entirely in the Klingon language. See 'u' (opera). -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Category:Speakers of Klingon has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Kiefer.Wolfowitz ( Discussion) 13:49, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
It appears that the Wiktionary community feels that Qapla' qualifies as a loan word from Klingon. [1] (see discussion page for more details) I'm thinking that this might be worth mentioning in Klingon_language#Appearances_in_other_media. However, as a Klingonist I'm hardly an impartial judge, and I'm also not that experienced with Wikipedia or Wiktionary, so I figured I'd suggest it here rather than add it myself.
Also, the phrase De' nIb DachenmoHchugh bIquvHa' (subbed as "To duplicate data... is a great dishonor!"; more literally "If you create identical data, you are dishonored.") is used in a trailer for Don't Copy That 2. Marc Okrand - the creator of tlhIngan Hol - was on the set to make sure the Klingon was authentic. [2] Photos at time indexes 0:45, 1:14 and 1:18 of this slideshow. The Klingon subtitles used in the actual video appear to be nonsensical, but I don't have a citation for that. -- Tesseraktik ( talk) 10:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Should it perhaps be mentioned that the greater part of the Klingon language concept derives from Mongolian? I think every linguist whould agree with me. Mongolian, like any other Altaic language is highly agglutinativ, as Klingon is. Also Klingon is "thlIngan Hol" in Klingon (IPA: /tɬɪŋɑn xol/) and Mongolian is "Mongol hel" (IPA: /mɔŋɣɔl xɛl/), so we have "Hol" and "hel" for language in Klingon and Mongolian. Einstein92 ( talk) 05:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I notice the article currently only has code2000 and pIqaD as the fonts for the klingon characters, there are a number of others now, is it alright if I add them to the font stuff in the page? constructium, FairFax (same site) both of which follow the CSUR. I thought I saw more but now I'm not so sure. Kaelem Gaen ( talk) 20:25, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
http://www.startrek.com/article/qapla-klingon-language-creator-marc-okrand-part-1 contains a two part interview of Okrand from November 2011, including specific documentation for the original creator of Klingon language being James Doohan. 76.179.61.154 ( talk) 03:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I propose to remove the Klingon letters used throughout the text, which are only visible if you install something.
Yes, I am a friend of the Klingon language, and I even belong to the few people who can read pIqaD, so I should accept it. But I believe that using the font makes the page look less serious for people who like to look up what Klingon is when they find a bunch of incorrect shown characters. And it still is difficult to make Klingon be considered as a serious language. Next, I believe that very, very few poeple have this font system installed on their computer, and they will not install it, just to read this one page. It's not (yet) a standard option on Windows you might just activate with a click. Maybe it's better to add images to display the caracters. By the way, I know that other languages (chinese, japanese or arabic) also have the display problem, but that's not my only point.
An addtion: The article starts with the note Some characters may not display correctly on the page, unless you have the
Klingon pIqaD script installed on your computer, but the link does not lead you to a useful page that helps you getting this script.
Please answer keep or remove and discuss here until we have enough answers what you consider best. Thanks for your support. -- LLieven ( talk) 15:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
The writing should absolutely be removed, unless and until it can be replaced with images. It is encoded using Unicode Private Use Area code points, which are quite simply not meant for public interchange. Since there hasn't been any activity on the above discussion (which seemed to have a "replace with images" consensus anyway), I've gone ahead and removed the text. -- Perey ( talk) 18:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
In Klingon, the eyes are alwas capitalized and the ells are lowercase. This poses a problem, since the font used throughout WP does not distinguish I and l. I guess that if you look carefully, you can see a minor difference in thickness, but it is hard to tell when you are actually reading something. I thought that "pIqaD" was to be pronounced as plaque with a D.
Some suggestions:
Or you can try the thing where you space in and the text becomes code. This is easy to read I l I l I l
In the lead section it says that "o" is pronounced [o], i.e. closed. In the "Vowels" section, it also says: "close-mid back rounded vowel (in French eau)". But in the lead section of the German artcle it says [ɔ], meaning open as in "Tom". A German WP editor confirmed that, citing Okrand's official dictionary. Could someone look it up in the English original? -- UKoch ( talk) 22:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
If it be fine with everyone, I would like to remove the noun rules section, since that is now covered in the klingon grammar section reH ghun ghunwI' 00:58, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
I believe I mentioned that before, but I'd suggest to add better, more usual klingon phrases as example phrases. Things, that people can use - even though it might even be "to day is a good day to die". It is my opinion that spoonerisms and pangrams are not a good example to represent a language. -- Lieven ( talk) 19:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
... are not visible (at least on my screen): ⟨angle brackets⟩. Please fix that or use a different kind to show klingon letters. -- Lieven ( talk) 10:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Somebody has added several marks of citation needed... A general question of mine is: when the mark comes at the end of a paragraph of three sentences, which one does he want citation for? Next, I believe that some of the statements are common knowledge. What can I use as a source for instance for "Its vocabulary, heavily centered on Star Trek-Klingon concepts such as spacecraft or warfare, can sometimes make it cumbersome for everyday use."? Another phrase, "In the bonus material on the DVD, [...]" starts with naming the source ("on the DVD"). Isn't that enough? Anyway, I'll take care of the others, which are clear they need a source. -- Lieven ( talk) 08:00, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Is there any encyclopedic reason to display the Klingon emblem? I think it's not necessary and makes the article look less "serious" or "encyclopedic".
Arguments to remove:
Arguments to keep:
remove or keep?
-- Lieven ( talk) 20:33, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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Klingon cyrllic alphabet here it is Aa Бб Вв Гг Дд Ее Жж Зз Ии Йй Кк Ққ ₭₭ Лл Мм Нн Ңң Оо Пп Рр Сс Тт Ћћ Уу Ȳȳ Фф Хх Чч Шш Ьь Юю Яя Halloweenboy118 ( talk) 23:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Is case necessary for Klingon and if so, how is it generated? Ghorsefield ( talk) 17:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
somebody put a image of israel flag in the external link but i didnt mange to understand how to change it if somebody know it will help Yuvalorp ( talk) 21:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)
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I've copied text over to a separate Klingon writing systems page, as part of a proposal to break out the Writing systems section of Klingon language.
Reasoning:
If this is acceptable, the remaining step will be to replace that section in Klingon language with a link to this page. A similar link will also be placed in Klingonaase.
Translations and tags will also be needed. – SAJordan talk contribs 04:53, 9 Nov 2006 (UTC).
Was the name "pIqaD" /pɪqɑɖ/ intended to sound like Picard /pɪkɑɹd/? If so, this should probably be mentioned in the article. ( suoı̣ʇnqı̣ɹʇuoɔ · ʞlɐʇ) nɯnuı̣ɥԀ 23:16, 20 March 2014 (UTC)
Article states:
The two "____" blanks above are where the IPA renditions at issue belong.
Previously the IPA values were shown as /t͡ɬ/ and /q͡χ/ respectively.
Now 169.233.72.162 (who has made no other edits anywhere) has changed these to /tɬ͡/ and /qχ͡/ respectively, as well as changing /t͡ɬ/ to /tɬ͡/ in the infobox, with no edit summary.
Please note that the voiceless alveolar lateral affricate article uses /t͡ɬ/ — as did this article previously.
It is my impression that the arch ("tie bar") should be over the two IPA characters (conjoining them as a single phoneme), not between the latter and the closing "/". But I'm no expert. I'd like to have confirmation or correction from someone more familiar with IPA than myself, please.
In the absence of any explanation, and of any track record for this editor, I am reverting this alteration once. I'm not confident enough to do it twice.
Can anyone else conclusively determine the validity or invalidity of this alteration? – SAJordan talk contribs 08:13, 5 Dec 2006 (UTC).
I like the new "Canon" section. Though, a question: Are the two books Hamlet and ghIlghameS considered Canon? — N-true 02:08, 31 January 2007 (UTC)
Where the word Qapla' appears in the text, in quotes, it is virtually impossible to see the ' at the end because it gets hidden in the double quotes. At first I thought you guys had mispelled it, and indeed I had to go to the "edit this page" to see the source to realize it was right, just impossible to see. I don't know what the right solution is, but as it is now, readers will draw an erroneous conclusion about what the word is.
--Captain Krankor, Grammarian, Klingon Language Institute
I bow to the Grammarian in his greater understanding of the language, however I know some speakers prefer to use ` rather than ' to accent the glotal stop - Qapla` - this avoids confusion when words are placed in quotation or speachmarks 'Qapla`' "Qapla`". This is non-standard use certainly but it seems to assist non speakers. Bat King 11 July 07
I propose we move that section to it's own article at Klingon language in popular culture, it's rather large relative to the rest of the article. Alpha Omicron 03:40, 15 July 2007 (UTC)
hmmm, I do not agree that (the accuracy of the statement is well-known; it is as likely that there are 100,000 speakers of Klingon hiding somewhere as it is that there a few million speakers of Navaho hiding somewhere) (undo) There is linguistic documentation proving the current rate of speakers of navajo, however any linguistic research on Klingon is highly subjective... and much of what is written in one source about it contradicts what is written in another source... wheras Navajo has a more cohesive outlook. Secondly it is quite debatable as what refers to as Klingon speech. To be included in this consesus must one speak all forms of thlingon Hol, or only thlingon Hol in Canon, or must one speak Klingonaase, or clipped Klingon, or all the forms of each Klingon "language"? Each of these is distinct from the other in some fashion. It is not known precisely how many speakers of Klingonaase there are in addition to tlhIngon Hol, canon or not canon, which is why I detest your claim that "it is well known" (by whom?) The only thing that can roughly be said that is well kown about either language from a societal standard is that Navajo is spoken conversationally and so is Klingon. Aside from that we don't enough about either language, although there is much more historical data on the Navajo language since Klingon is modern. Furthermore, does one have to be relatively fluent, or know only a few words of a language in order to be considered a 'speaker' of said language? Again, I reiterate, there are many issues presented as to what would classify a proper speaker of Klingon. And I also find it quite intriguing that there is no reference material for this point of view within the article. Chado2423 18:46, 16 August 2007 (UTC)
I am not stating that there are 100,000 speakers of Klingon. Instead I am stating that we do not have appropiate assesments of the number, which is why we can neither rightfully claim that there are or are not that number. "The Onion" is satircal so it cannot be used as a source, however THE KLI can and the closest thing I have found that may shed some light on the number of Klingon speakers is this: http://home.swipnet.se/~w-12689/survey.htm. This article references KLI's consensus of Klingon speakers. It is the best official estimation, however a linguistic approach would be more beneficial. My argument is that it is invalid to state that there is or is not any number, and to make any claim on any topic without a verifiable source is just poor authorship. "It is well known" what source is it well known by? This "general knowledge" is poor by wikipedia's standards. At the very least whoever wrote this could have attributed a source to their p.o.v. I believe we could at least reference the KLI'S estimation, in which that they claim that they make it clear that they do not know how many speakers there are, except that it is over 200 something. Please do not misunderstand that I am saying that there are only 200 to 300 speakers, nor am I saying that there are 100,000 or more. Instead I am saying that it would be best to find linguistic research, and find a more appropiate consesus rather than attributing it to percieved "general knowledge." Chado2423 03:59, 19 August 2007 (UTC)
Hmm. In the sidebar, it says 12 fluent speakers in 1996. In the article it says "According to Guinness World Records for 2006, it is the most spoken fictional language by number of speakers." The Esperanto article has estimates for that language of 100,000-2 million speakers, and 200-2000 *native* speakers. One wonders where the Guiness claim came from. -- Mindstalk ( talk) 21:31, 2 February 2009 (UTC)
In an episode of Frasier, a Jewish Trekkie coworker called Noel performs an act of revenge by translating into Klingon, rather than Hebrew, a speech which Frasier gives at his son's bar mitzvah. I am mildly curious to know whether or not this was authentic Klingon. PDAWSON3 ( talk) 10:04, 19 June 2008 (UTC)
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Pardon me, as I do not speak Klingon. Quoted from the article:
"They often greet each other with the Klingon word nuqneH (literally: "What do you want?"). This is the only greeting in Klingon."
Perhaps that IS the only greeting currently used. How ever, I recall hearing an interview with some Star Trek authors, many years ago. In response to requests the created a Klingon greeting, which translated to: "Have you fought recently?" Saxophobia ( talk) 23:02, 9 November 2008 (UTC)
Why is /v/ not in a labio-dental column? Why is /w/ not a voiced labio-velar approximant as defined in the IPA handbook? -- Evertype· ✆ 22:10, 24 June 2009 (UTC)
In the Undiscovered Country, didn't General Chang make the remark about Shakespeare being best read in the original Klingon?
I think it is wrong to analyze the distinction between speakers, body parts and others as gender. In the Klingon Dictionary, Marc Okrand clearly states that Klingon does not respect gender. It is understandable that the difference between, for example, the different plural markers, the most variable suffix in this respect, the distinction being made is not a real gender system, but a distinction of animacy. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.212.106.138 ( talk) 01:48, 20 November 2009 (UTC)
I have been told from the United States Copyright Office that "a language of itself is not protected by copyright" (I had asked specifically about conlangs), which agrees with the article. However, it would be nice to have a citable reference for this. Does anyone know one? kwami ( talk) 07:31, 14 January 2010 (UTC)
This copyright section is a complete mess. For one, the Loglan/Lojban litigation only ever involved trademark, not copyright. I just spoke to Robert Lechevalier yesterday about this, but feel free to look at the court of appeals records of the litigation.
Second, it is an unsettled question whether a constructed language can be copyrighted or not. There has never been litigation to solve that question, nor has there been any academic legal theories analyzing that question nor any scholarly work. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kysius ( talk • contribs) 20:05, 28 April 2016 (UTC)
Firstly: According to the main Wikipedia page, only 12 speakers are known throughout the world. Technically speaking, there are more speakers of binary code (due to encryption) than Klingon, yet there in no article on Binary (Cryptographic Language). Every person since childhood who played Commander Keen had memorized most of "standard galactic alphabet" but no-one really cares. Secondly: Is the Klingon language actually used by anyone on the cast of Star Trek? For example, the cast of Avatar speak some kind of language (which was actually documented by writers) although the Navii is never actually spoke it properly. The Rayman series by UBIsoft speak gibberish throughout the whole thing.
I removed the following uncited and doubtful text regarding the "German Myth" from the article. If you believe any part of it is accurate, please re-add it to the article, making appropriate citations to reliable sources. Thanks, Vectro ( talk) 14:04, 27 April 2010 (UTC)
I always thought that it was Russians who claimed to have originally had Shakespeare, etc. I even think I remember Chekhov talking along those lines once or twice. Never heard this about Germans. Anyway: for what it's worth. Shocking Blue ( talk) 22:19, 28 September 2010 (UTC)
As a point of data: While I wouldn't put it past German nationalists, I never heard of a German claim to Shakespeare before reading this Wikipedia entry, so I consider that alleged myth itself highly doubtful. Maybe it refers to effects described in https://www.thelocal.de/20160422/unser-shakespeare-why-germans-are-so-obsessed-with-the-british-bard-shakespeare and https://www.dw.com/en/how-shakespeare-was-turned-into-a-german/a-19208040, but in neither article is the claim that Shakespeare himself was a German. And if that myth is indeed unkown here in Germany, it'll be somewhat hard to get a citation for its nonexistence. On the other hand I also never heard about a German translation of Shakespeare being better than the original, so I'd say only the first part should be re-added. – Jürgen Lerch — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.72.170.165 ( talk) 06:43, 3 March 2020 (UTC)
There is an opera entirely in the Klingon language. See 'u' (opera). -- Ssilvers ( talk) 17:09, 6 September 2010 (UTC)
Category:Speakers of Klingon has been nominated for discussion. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments at the category's entry on the Categories for discussion page. Thank you. Kiefer.Wolfowitz ( Discussion) 13:49, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
It appears that the Wiktionary community feels that Qapla' qualifies as a loan word from Klingon. [1] (see discussion page for more details) I'm thinking that this might be worth mentioning in Klingon_language#Appearances_in_other_media. However, as a Klingonist I'm hardly an impartial judge, and I'm also not that experienced with Wikipedia or Wiktionary, so I figured I'd suggest it here rather than add it myself.
Also, the phrase De' nIb DachenmoHchugh bIquvHa' (subbed as "To duplicate data... is a great dishonor!"; more literally "If you create identical data, you are dishonored.") is used in a trailer for Don't Copy That 2. Marc Okrand - the creator of tlhIngan Hol - was on the set to make sure the Klingon was authentic. [2] Photos at time indexes 0:45, 1:14 and 1:18 of this slideshow. The Klingon subtitles used in the actual video appear to be nonsensical, but I don't have a citation for that. -- Tesseraktik ( talk) 10:43, 3 April 2011 (UTC)
Should it perhaps be mentioned that the greater part of the Klingon language concept derives from Mongolian? I think every linguist whould agree with me. Mongolian, like any other Altaic language is highly agglutinativ, as Klingon is. Also Klingon is "thlIngan Hol" in Klingon (IPA: /tɬɪŋɑn xol/) and Mongolian is "Mongol hel" (IPA: /mɔŋɣɔl xɛl/), so we have "Hol" and "hel" for language in Klingon and Mongolian. Einstein92 ( talk) 05:23, 24 July 2011 (UTC)
I notice the article currently only has code2000 and pIqaD as the fonts for the klingon characters, there are a number of others now, is it alright if I add them to the font stuff in the page? constructium, FairFax (same site) both of which follow the CSUR. I thought I saw more but now I'm not so sure. Kaelem Gaen ( talk) 20:25, 12 November 2011 (UTC)
http://www.startrek.com/article/qapla-klingon-language-creator-marc-okrand-part-1 contains a two part interview of Okrand from November 2011, including specific documentation for the original creator of Klingon language being James Doohan. 76.179.61.154 ( talk) 03:00, 21 November 2011 (UTC)
Hi,
I propose to remove the Klingon letters used throughout the text, which are only visible if you install something.
Yes, I am a friend of the Klingon language, and I even belong to the few people who can read pIqaD, so I should accept it. But I believe that using the font makes the page look less serious for people who like to look up what Klingon is when they find a bunch of incorrect shown characters. And it still is difficult to make Klingon be considered as a serious language. Next, I believe that very, very few poeple have this font system installed on their computer, and they will not install it, just to read this one page. It's not (yet) a standard option on Windows you might just activate with a click. Maybe it's better to add images to display the caracters. By the way, I know that other languages (chinese, japanese or arabic) also have the display problem, but that's not my only point.
An addtion: The article starts with the note Some characters may not display correctly on the page, unless you have the
Klingon pIqaD script installed on your computer, but the link does not lead you to a useful page that helps you getting this script.
Please answer keep or remove and discuss here until we have enough answers what you consider best. Thanks for your support. -- LLieven ( talk) 15:27, 25 January 2012 (UTC)
The writing should absolutely be removed, unless and until it can be replaced with images. It is encoded using Unicode Private Use Area code points, which are quite simply not meant for public interchange. Since there hasn't been any activity on the above discussion (which seemed to have a "replace with images" consensus anyway), I've gone ahead and removed the text. -- Perey ( talk) 18:11, 17 July 2012 (UTC)
In Klingon, the eyes are alwas capitalized and the ells are lowercase. This poses a problem, since the font used throughout WP does not distinguish I and l. I guess that if you look carefully, you can see a minor difference in thickness, but it is hard to tell when you are actually reading something. I thought that "pIqaD" was to be pronounced as plaque with a D.
Some suggestions:
Or you can try the thing where you space in and the text becomes code. This is easy to read I l I l I l
In the lead section it says that "o" is pronounced [o], i.e. closed. In the "Vowels" section, it also says: "close-mid back rounded vowel (in French eau)". But in the lead section of the German artcle it says [ɔ], meaning open as in "Tom". A German WP editor confirmed that, citing Okrand's official dictionary. Could someone look it up in the English original? -- UKoch ( talk) 22:25, 20 February 2013 (UTC)
If it be fine with everyone, I would like to remove the noun rules section, since that is now covered in the klingon grammar section reH ghun ghunwI' 00:58, 4 August 2013 (UTC)
I believe I mentioned that before, but I'd suggest to add better, more usual klingon phrases as example phrases. Things, that people can use - even though it might even be "to day is a good day to die". It is my opinion that spoonerisms and pangrams are not a good example to represent a language. -- Lieven ( talk) 19:33, 5 August 2013 (UTC)
... are not visible (at least on my screen): ⟨angle brackets⟩. Please fix that or use a different kind to show klingon letters. -- Lieven ( talk) 10:34, 13 January 2014 (UTC)
Somebody has added several marks of citation needed... A general question of mine is: when the mark comes at the end of a paragraph of three sentences, which one does he want citation for? Next, I believe that some of the statements are common knowledge. What can I use as a source for instance for "Its vocabulary, heavily centered on Star Trek-Klingon concepts such as spacecraft or warfare, can sometimes make it cumbersome for everyday use."? Another phrase, "In the bonus material on the DVD, [...]" starts with naming the source ("on the DVD"). Isn't that enough? Anyway, I'll take care of the others, which are clear they need a source. -- Lieven ( talk) 08:00, 17 January 2014 (UTC)
Is there any encyclopedic reason to display the Klingon emblem? I think it's not necessary and makes the article look less "serious" or "encyclopedic".
Arguments to remove:
Arguments to keep:
remove or keep?
-- Lieven ( talk) 20:33, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
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Klingon cyrllic alphabet here it is Aa Бб Вв Гг Дд Ее Жж Зз Ии Йй Кк Ққ ₭₭ Лл Мм Нн Ңң Оо Пп Рр Сс Тт Ћћ Уу Ȳȳ Фф Хх Чч Шш Ьь Юю Яя Halloweenboy118 ( talk) 23:44, 20 July 2020 (UTC)
Is case necessary for Klingon and if so, how is it generated? Ghorsefield ( talk) 17:29, 8 September 2020 (UTC)
somebody put a image of israel flag in the external link but i didnt mange to understand how to change it if somebody know it will help Yuvalorp ( talk) 21:57, 15 September 2023 (UTC)