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The part about kizomba in the Uk seems just to have been added to promote certain companies and i'm not sure it's completely accurate in its information?
SalsaLouisa ( talk) 14:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
It is a pitty we can't put music samples in wikipedia. Or it is possible we can put 30 secongs of music? There is a licence problem with that or not? Angolan kizombas are very varied, and are not exactly African, but rather a very Afro-Latin music genre. - Pedro 6 July 2005 00:21 (UTC)
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This article lacks independent sources, see WP:RS and WP:VERIFY. Dougweller ( talk) 15:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Not only are there no citations for references to the origins of kizomba in tango, but the description makes no sense at all. It seems to be suggesting that kizomba and tango share a common cultural heritage and that colonial dancers of tango influenced the African dance. I suppose both are possible but if so, it's an extraordinary coincidence. Tesspub ( talk) 11:36, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
"The generally accepted theory is that in the mid-1800s, African slaves were brought to Argentina and began to influence the local culture." This cannot be true. Slavery was mostly abolished in Argentina in 1813 and completely abolished in 1853. See Abolition_of_slavery_timeline Tesspub ( talk) 09:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Just about every "fact" in this article seems to have been questioned. Some of it is confusing, some of it is advertising, much of it is clearly wrong. I wonder if there's a case for deletion. Or does anyone know someone qualified to re-write it to a decent standard? Tesspub ( talk) 10:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
I've now protected this article, for the second time. Edit waring will not be tolerated. Provide sources for your edits, use the talk page to dicuss. Don't just add stuff that you 'know' to be right, back it up. Thanks. Ged UK 11:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone here know how to read Portuguese? If yes then why not translate the article written in Portuguese? It has references, and ends at a time with this nonsense. And by the way, Kizomba is not and never was Cape-Verde origin, only a few "enlightened" think it is, just check that Kizomba was born in 1980 and cabo-love/cabo-zouk, that is clearly influenced by Zouk, appears only in 1986. Zorglub-PRV ( talk) 02:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Or 'why don't editors check what they are linking to'. This just makes the article look stupid. More seriously, why are there claims in the lead that aren't mentioned in the body of the article? See WP:LEAD. Dougweller ( talk) 07:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Kizomba is prior to Zouk, and Kassav only began to be heard in Angola in 1986, if there are some influences is from kizomba to zouk and not the way around. Zorglub ( talk) 22:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
To quote the Admin above, " Edit waring will not be tolerated. Provide sources for your edits, use the talk page to dicuss. Don't just add stuff that you 'know' to be right, back it up." I've only protected for a week but if this continues I will protect for much longer. Dougweller ( talk) 08:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
What the heck is with that example, it is not working properly. This is shameful. Please revise it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.181.2 ( talk) 07:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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TJH2018 Dude, No I didnt find a copyfree replacement, nor is that a relevant question in this case. What I found was a dysfunctional video. That fact was already commented on at the Talk page almost a year ago by someone else. The video doesn't show anything. Nor is it cited. It's really quite bad. Sorry if you feel otherwise. Do you mind confirming you actually checked the video and that you actually find some merit to what the video demonstrates? What is that merit because it isn't obvious to me? BRD is optional but that isn't much of a point either and since the issue is ALREADY on the Talk page I will be nice and move this here and get any general input that the community at large wants to add. Colin McTroll ( talk) 03:48, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I backed off on immediately dealing with this issue because any non-fake discussion will need to look at what is or is not useful about the video. I am now reintroducing the proposal that the video is not worth readers' time as itt fails to properly demonstrate anything in a meaningful way. I will remove the video in a day or two unless there is consensus otherwise. After removal it can also be discussed here if people want to add it back. Colin McTroll ( talk) 14:57, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
This is article is about kizomba dance and music from Angola - The author is listing artists from Cape Verde Islands and refuse to list artists from Angola. The author keeps deleting corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.46.130 ( talk) 21:58, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
These are all Cape Verdean Zouk Singers: Suzanna Lubrano, Atim, Nilton Ramalho, Johnny Ramos, Nelson Freitas, Mika Mendes, Manu Lima, Cedric Cavaco, Elji, Looney Johnson, Klazzik, Mark G, To Semedo, Beto Dias, Heavy H, Marcia, Gilyto, Kido Semedo, Ricky Boy, Klaudio Ramos, M&N Pro, Gilson, Gil, G-Amado, Philip Monteiro, Gama, Juceila Cardoso and Denis Graça, Z-BeatZ Pro AudioHustlin.
Can you provide explanation why they are listed in this article instead of Angolan Kizomba singers?
Angolans Kizomba singers include: Anna Joyce, Landrick, Yola Araújo, Pedro, Ivan Alexei, Kyaku Kyadaff,Puto Português, Lil Saint, Yola Semedo,Irina França …. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.46.130 ( talk) 22:08, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puto_Portugu%C3%AAs https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Joyce http://www.angop.ao/angola/en_us/noticias/lazer-e-cultura/2017/10/46/Musician-Ivan-Alekxei-releases-first,943ae042-5b69-4b3b-badc-8afcfd242f1f.html https://afrikavibez.com/video/fruto-proibido-liriany-angola http://www.angop.ao/angola/en_us/noticias/lazer-e-cultura/2018/6/30/Angolan-singers-spotlight-AFRIMMA-nominees,d4f828f4-9def-4ef7-9b55-c3225b56e5fd.html https://allafrica.com/stories/201809200223.html http://www.angop.ao/angola/en_us/noticias/lazer-e-cultura/2015/7/34/Anna-Joyce-release-new-album-this-year,cf7a9174-56b1-4d2b-81e9-219494854e0a.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.46.130 ( talk) 21:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Here is a reliable source with Angolan Kizomba singers. — Preceding
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Change: Kizomba is a genre of dance and a Portuguese language musical genre originating in Angola in 1984
to: Kizomba is a genre of dance and music originating in Angola in 1984. The musical genre started with lyrics in kimbundo , but has now expanded to the 4 corners of th world and you can find singers using capeverdian, French, english Portuguese and even Chinese. The dance style has mutated from the original family and social dance that has been the base of Angolan gatherings, to a hyper-sexualised version who it started to be taught by non- Angolan teachers. 2A02:C7D:B9AE:2A00:9187:482:C3AE:425A ( talk) 19:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
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Kimbundu isn't a minority language but actually a majority language. The three biggest Tribes are Bakongo who speak Kikongo & a minority Lingala, Ambundu who speak Kimbundu and Ovimbundu who speak Umbundu. Overall the whole article lacks proper sourcing and continuity. [[Special:Contributions 19:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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Kimbundu isn't a minority language but one of the majority languages with 3 Million Speakers (in 1999)¹
So the change should be "Kizombada means "party" in Kimbundu, a Bantu language spoken in Angola."¹
"Kizomba music emerged as a more modern music genre with a sensual touch mixed with African rhythm and Haitian compas." Where is the Source for that claim?
The actual inventor of Kizomba Eduardo Paim denies any influence from Zouk but admits their similarities. He lists the influences & stylistic origins in Semba, Kilapanga, Merengue Angolano and Latin American music in the sections "Aceita que lhe atribuam o título de precursor da kizomba?" & "Quem deu o nome de kizomba a este estilo?" Compa isn't even mentioned²
"Cape Verdean singers and producers with kizomba compilations include Suzanna Lubrano, Atim, Nilton Ramalho, Johnny Ramos, Nelson Freitas, Mika Mendes, Manu Lima, Cedric Cavaco, Elji, Loony Johnson, Klazzik, Mark G, To Semedo, Beto Dias, Heavy H, Marcia, Gilyto, Kido Semedo, Ricky Boy, Klaudio Ramos, M&N Pro, Gilson, Gil, G-Amado, Philip Monteiro, Gama, Juceila Cardoso and Denis Graça, Z-BeatZ Pro AudioHustlin'. Original influential music styles from Cape Verde are funaná, morna, coladeira and batuque. Thanks to the French Antilles zouk music and the strong influence of semba (from Angola), Cape Verdean singers have developed significantly kizomba and zouk (mixing it with coladeira) known as cabo love or cola-dance. Moreover, every lusophone country has developed its own Kizomba music flavour.[4]"
It doesn't really make much sense to include Cape Verdean Cola-Zouk singers in the Origin Section of Kizomba. That's like writing an article about Rap and listing UK- Drill Rappers or French Rappers in the Origin Section. There should be a seperate Section for Cape Verdean Singers (Just like the Section for Brazil & China) with the mentioned content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malembadas ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
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¹https://web.archive.org/web/20120923031547/ http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=Angola#
²https://web.archive.org/web/20130927200128/ http://www.opais.net/pt/dossier/?det=21059
The complete article should be revised. Malembadas ( talk) 11:59, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I checked the recent changes and you accidently made a mistake with the 4th citation link at "Kizomba music emerged as a more modern music genre with a sensual touch mixed with African rhythm." The actual link is https://web.archive.org/web/20130927200128/http://www.opais.net/pt/dossier/?det=21059 It is an archived version of the original site (which doesn't exist anymore). You only included the last part which doesn't exist anymore. Moreover the Stylistic Origins in the right blue Box on the Desktop Version of the Site are Semba, Kilapanga, Angolan Merengue based on the mentioned source.
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The part about kizomba in the Uk seems just to have been added to promote certain companies and i'm not sure it's completely accurate in its information?
SalsaLouisa ( talk) 14:58, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
It is a pitty we can't put music samples in wikipedia. Or it is possible we can put 30 secongs of music? There is a licence problem with that or not? Angolan kizombas are very varied, and are not exactly African, but rather a very Afro-Latin music genre. - Pedro 6 July 2005 00:21 (UTC)
from the article:
This article lacks independent sources, see WP:RS and WP:VERIFY. Dougweller ( talk) 15:03, 6 January 2012 (UTC)
Not only are there no citations for references to the origins of kizomba in tango, but the description makes no sense at all. It seems to be suggesting that kizomba and tango share a common cultural heritage and that colonial dancers of tango influenced the African dance. I suppose both are possible but if so, it's an extraordinary coincidence. Tesspub ( talk) 11:36, 8 June 2012 (UTC)
"The generally accepted theory is that in the mid-1800s, African slaves were brought to Argentina and began to influence the local culture." This cannot be true. Slavery was mostly abolished in Argentina in 1813 and completely abolished in 1853. See Abolition_of_slavery_timeline Tesspub ( talk) 09:43, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
Just about every "fact" in this article seems to have been questioned. Some of it is confusing, some of it is advertising, much of it is clearly wrong. I wonder if there's a case for deletion. Or does anyone know someone qualified to re-write it to a decent standard? Tesspub ( talk) 10:04, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
I've now protected this article, for the second time. Edit waring will not be tolerated. Provide sources for your edits, use the talk page to dicuss. Don't just add stuff that you 'know' to be right, back it up. Thanks. Ged UK 11:59, 17 August 2012 (UTC)
Does anyone here know how to read Portuguese? If yes then why not translate the article written in Portuguese? It has references, and ends at a time with this nonsense. And by the way, Kizomba is not and never was Cape-Verde origin, only a few "enlightened" think it is, just check that Kizomba was born in 1980 and cabo-love/cabo-zouk, that is clearly influenced by Zouk, appears only in 1986. Zorglub-PRV ( talk) 02:30, 31 August 2012 (UTC)
Or 'why don't editors check what they are linking to'. This just makes the article look stupid. More seriously, why are there claims in the lead that aren't mentioned in the body of the article? See WP:LEAD. Dougweller ( talk) 07:39, 12 September 2012 (UTC)
Kizomba is prior to Zouk, and Kassav only began to be heard in Angola in 1986, if there are some influences is from kizomba to zouk and not the way around. Zorglub ( talk) 22:15, 23 January 2013 (UTC)
To quote the Admin above, " Edit waring will not be tolerated. Provide sources for your edits, use the talk page to dicuss. Don't just add stuff that you 'know' to be right, back it up." I've only protected for a week but if this continues I will protect for much longer. Dougweller ( talk) 08:58, 24 February 2013 (UTC)
What the heck is with that example, it is not working properly. This is shameful. Please revise it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.189.181.2 ( talk) 07:51, 29 July 2016 (UTC)
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TJH2018 Dude, your "argument" is utterly irrelevant and off point as it wasn't removed on "censorship" grounds. Don't come HERE to discuss it. The proper procedure is to
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TJH2018 Dude, No I didnt find a copyfree replacement, nor is that a relevant question in this case. What I found was a dysfunctional video. That fact was already commented on at the Talk page almost a year ago by someone else. The video doesn't show anything. Nor is it cited. It's really quite bad. Sorry if you feel otherwise. Do you mind confirming you actually checked the video and that you actually find some merit to what the video demonstrates? What is that merit because it isn't obvious to me? BRD is optional but that isn't much of a point either and since the issue is ALREADY on the Talk page I will be nice and move this here and get any general input that the community at large wants to add. Colin McTroll ( talk) 03:48, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
I backed off on immediately dealing with this issue because any non-fake discussion will need to look at what is or is not useful about the video. I am now reintroducing the proposal that the video is not worth readers' time as itt fails to properly demonstrate anything in a meaningful way. I will remove the video in a day or two unless there is consensus otherwise. After removal it can also be discussed here if people want to add it back. Colin McTroll ( talk) 14:57, 23 March 2017 (UTC)
This is article is about kizomba dance and music from Angola - The author is listing artists from Cape Verde Islands and refuse to list artists from Angola. The author keeps deleting corrections. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.46.130 ( talk) 21:58, 31 March 2019 (UTC)
These are all Cape Verdean Zouk Singers: Suzanna Lubrano, Atim, Nilton Ramalho, Johnny Ramos, Nelson Freitas, Mika Mendes, Manu Lima, Cedric Cavaco, Elji, Looney Johnson, Klazzik, Mark G, To Semedo, Beto Dias, Heavy H, Marcia, Gilyto, Kido Semedo, Ricky Boy, Klaudio Ramos, M&N Pro, Gilson, Gil, G-Amado, Philip Monteiro, Gama, Juceila Cardoso and Denis Graça, Z-BeatZ Pro AudioHustlin.
Can you provide explanation why they are listed in this article instead of Angolan Kizomba singers?
Angolans Kizomba singers include: Anna Joyce, Landrick, Yola Araújo, Pedro, Ivan Alexei, Kyaku Kyadaff,Puto Português, Lil Saint, Yola Semedo,Irina França …. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.46.130 ( talk) 22:08, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Puto_Portugu%C3%AAs https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anna_Joyce http://www.angop.ao/angola/en_us/noticias/lazer-e-cultura/2017/10/46/Musician-Ivan-Alekxei-releases-first,943ae042-5b69-4b3b-badc-8afcfd242f1f.html https://afrikavibez.com/video/fruto-proibido-liriany-angola http://www.angop.ao/angola/en_us/noticias/lazer-e-cultura/2018/6/30/Angolan-singers-spotlight-AFRIMMA-nominees,d4f828f4-9def-4ef7-9b55-c3225b56e5fd.html https://allafrica.com/stories/201809200223.html http://www.angop.ao/angola/en_us/noticias/lazer-e-cultura/2015/7/34/Anna-Joyce-release-new-album-this-year,cf7a9174-56b1-4d2b-81e9-219494854e0a.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.41.46.130 ( talk) 21:18, 1 April 2019 (UTC)
Here is a reliable source with Angolan Kizomba singers. — Preceding
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Change: Kizomba is a genre of dance and a Portuguese language musical genre originating in Angola in 1984
to: Kizomba is a genre of dance and music originating in Angola in 1984. The musical genre started with lyrics in kimbundo , but has now expanded to the 4 corners of th world and you can find singers using capeverdian, French, english Portuguese and even Chinese. The dance style has mutated from the original family and social dance that has been the base of Angolan gatherings, to a hyper-sexualised version who it started to be taught by non- Angolan teachers. 2A02:C7D:B9AE:2A00:9187:482:C3AE:425A ( talk) 19:13, 27 November 2019 (UTC)
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Kimbundu isn't a minority language but actually a majority language. The three biggest Tribes are Bakongo who speak Kikongo & a minority Lingala, Ambundu who speak Kimbundu and Ovimbundu who speak Umbundu. Overall the whole article lacks proper sourcing and continuity. [[Special:Contributions 19:43, 2 February 2020 (UTC)
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Kimbundu isn't a minority language but one of the majority languages with 3 Million Speakers (in 1999)¹
So the change should be "Kizombada means "party" in Kimbundu, a Bantu language spoken in Angola."¹
"Kizomba music emerged as a more modern music genre with a sensual touch mixed with African rhythm and Haitian compas." Where is the Source for that claim?
The actual inventor of Kizomba Eduardo Paim denies any influence from Zouk but admits their similarities. He lists the influences & stylistic origins in Semba, Kilapanga, Merengue Angolano and Latin American music in the sections "Aceita que lhe atribuam o título de precursor da kizomba?" & "Quem deu o nome de kizomba a este estilo?" Compa isn't even mentioned²
"Cape Verdean singers and producers with kizomba compilations include Suzanna Lubrano, Atim, Nilton Ramalho, Johnny Ramos, Nelson Freitas, Mika Mendes, Manu Lima, Cedric Cavaco, Elji, Loony Johnson, Klazzik, Mark G, To Semedo, Beto Dias, Heavy H, Marcia, Gilyto, Kido Semedo, Ricky Boy, Klaudio Ramos, M&N Pro, Gilson, Gil, G-Amado, Philip Monteiro, Gama, Juceila Cardoso and Denis Graça, Z-BeatZ Pro AudioHustlin'. Original influential music styles from Cape Verde are funaná, morna, coladeira and batuque. Thanks to the French Antilles zouk music and the strong influence of semba (from Angola), Cape Verdean singers have developed significantly kizomba and zouk (mixing it with coladeira) known as cabo love or cola-dance. Moreover, every lusophone country has developed its own Kizomba music flavour.[4]"
It doesn't really make much sense to include Cape Verdean Cola-Zouk singers in the Origin Section of Kizomba. That's like writing an article about Rap and listing UK- Drill Rappers or French Rappers in the Origin Section. There should be a seperate Section for Cape Verdean Singers (Just like the Section for Brazil & China) with the mentioned content. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malembadas ( talk • contribs) 12:17, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
Sources:
¹https://web.archive.org/web/20120923031547/ http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=Angola#
²https://web.archive.org/web/20130927200128/ http://www.opais.net/pt/dossier/?det=21059
The complete article should be revised. Malembadas ( talk) 11:59, 8 February 2020 (UTC)
I checked the recent changes and you accidently made a mistake with the 4th citation link at "Kizomba music emerged as a more modern music genre with a sensual touch mixed with African rhythm." The actual link is https://web.archive.org/web/20130927200128/http://www.opais.net/pt/dossier/?det=21059 It is an archived version of the original site (which doesn't exist anymore). You only included the last part which doesn't exist anymore. Moreover the Stylistic Origins in the right blue Box on the Desktop Version of the Site are Semba, Kilapanga, Angolan Merengue based on the mentioned source.
Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malembadas ( talk • contribs) 23:57, 9 February 2020 (UTC)