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Kiwi Polish simply alerted the average Joe to the existence of the New Zealand bird, and the connection more likely ended there. To imagine that "Kiwis" are named for the polish itself, rather than directly for the New Zealand bird (whose image was popularized by the polish), seems just a tad far-fetched. The kiwi is still the only native creature of New Zealand most folks can name. -- Wetman 11:35, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Does this article currently cover the idea of the word, Kiwi as belonging to Kiwi's as in Kiwi Advanced Research and Education Network etc? TransControl
The Kiwi Polish Info here is inaccurate, but I think I know what they're trying to say. Roodog2k
How could our nickname come from a brand of shoe polish? I think it came directly from the name of a bird that used to go to sleep in a satellite dish at about midnight (if you remember the Goodnight Kiwi, then surely you'll remember to consider my point of view,) and had been moved in 1991 from the 20-cent coin to the dollar (personally, I think he's much happier in his new home.) And one more thing, why do you even NEED shoe polish?
We really need sources on this information. When I first made edits to this, I was really green here on Wikipedia. I never liked the whole shoe polish thing in popularizing the name Kiwi to refer to people from new Zealand... it smacks of an Urban Lagend. So, I am adding the tag to the article. Maybe a Kiwi can help us out? :-)
Roodog2k 17:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
The pakeha page has recently been expanded to include some information about (White) New Zealanders. Given that this section is practically a stub should this info be transferred/expanded upon in this section? It seems to me that aspects such as New Zealand's culture and culturally significant individuals eg Ernest Rutherford, Peter Jackson should be mentioned.
Alternatively is this page intended only as a consideration of the origin and use of the term Kiwi? If so this probably ought to be made clear. Colonial from the Middle Island ( talk) 11:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
What if a New Zealander owned one of the specific birds; do we say "a Kiwi with a kiwi" if we talk about them collectively? :) Shiggity ( talk) 22:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking this article could be made much better if wee moved it to New Zealander, so this article could be made comparable to the articles about Welsh people or Israelis, rather than simply focussing on the history of the term. I'd obviously like to sound out people about the idea before I go through the formal business of proposing a move. YeshuaDavid ( talk) 17:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
An editor is changing the article to say that the term applies only to people born in New Zealand. No sources are provided. Is this a perception that others share? My feeling is that the term applies to those who self-identify as New Zealanders, and to those who are perceived to be New Zealanders, and the place of birth is largely irrelevant. If this is a common perception, can sources be found?- gadfium 09:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Although the majority do not find it offencive, There is a large number of those that do. So I changed the wording a bit. 210.185.9.85 ( talk) 07:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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I propose to merge this article into New Zealander. They refer to the same thing. CityOfSails2 ( talk) 01:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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'"Kiwi" is the nickname used internationally for people from New Zealand, as well as being a relatively common self-reference.'
The order here is misleading. It implies that the term is primarily used by non-New Zealanders, which is highly dubious.. Just like Aussie, it seems to very primarily be an endonym, and merely an occasional exonym. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 06:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
I recently reverted some changes to the § Current usage section. Admittedly I was wrong to describe the changes as "tantamount to vandalism", which wasn't assuming WP:GOODFAITH. I apologise for that. However I do maintain that the article ought to describe the practical usage of the term, not inject an editor's opinion about what the correct usage should be. I think the section is lacking sources which actually discuss the usage of the form Kiwi as opposed to Kiwis. We have examples instead, e.g. Kiwibank changing its slogan. -- Hazhk ( talk) 16:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Should there be a reference to the common misconception in most of the world, particularly Australia, that the Kiwi nickname refers to the Kiwi Fruit and that we associate the fruit's colours of brown and green with New Zealand? I note that a reference in the "see also" section mentions this but perhaps it should be in the article as well? 203.46.132.214 ( talk) 05:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
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Kiwi Polish simply alerted the average Joe to the existence of the New Zealand bird, and the connection more likely ended there. To imagine that "Kiwis" are named for the polish itself, rather than directly for the New Zealand bird (whose image was popularized by the polish), seems just a tad far-fetched. The kiwi is still the only native creature of New Zealand most folks can name. -- Wetman 11:35, 24 Oct 2004 (UTC)
Does this article currently cover the idea of the word, Kiwi as belonging to Kiwi's as in Kiwi Advanced Research and Education Network etc? TransControl
The Kiwi Polish Info here is inaccurate, but I think I know what they're trying to say. Roodog2k
How could our nickname come from a brand of shoe polish? I think it came directly from the name of a bird that used to go to sleep in a satellite dish at about midnight (if you remember the Goodnight Kiwi, then surely you'll remember to consider my point of view,) and had been moved in 1991 from the 20-cent coin to the dollar (personally, I think he's much happier in his new home.) And one more thing, why do you even NEED shoe polish?
We really need sources on this information. When I first made edits to this, I was really green here on Wikipedia. I never liked the whole shoe polish thing in popularizing the name Kiwi to refer to people from new Zealand... it smacks of an Urban Lagend. So, I am adding the tag to the article. Maybe a Kiwi can help us out? :-)
Roodog2k 17:50, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
The pakeha page has recently been expanded to include some information about (White) New Zealanders. Given that this section is practically a stub should this info be transferred/expanded upon in this section? It seems to me that aspects such as New Zealand's culture and culturally significant individuals eg Ernest Rutherford, Peter Jackson should be mentioned.
Alternatively is this page intended only as a consideration of the origin and use of the term Kiwi? If so this probably ought to be made clear. Colonial from the Middle Island ( talk) 11:35, 11 February 2008 (UTC)
What if a New Zealander owned one of the specific birds; do we say "a Kiwi with a kiwi" if we talk about them collectively? :) Shiggity ( talk) 22:49, 28 April 2008 (UTC)
I was thinking this article could be made much better if wee moved it to New Zealander, so this article could be made comparable to the articles about Welsh people or Israelis, rather than simply focussing on the history of the term. I'd obviously like to sound out people about the idea before I go through the formal business of proposing a move. YeshuaDavid ( talk) 17:21, 12 May 2009 (UTC)
An editor is changing the article to say that the term applies only to people born in New Zealand. No sources are provided. Is this a perception that others share? My feeling is that the term applies to those who self-identify as New Zealanders, and to those who are perceived to be New Zealanders, and the place of birth is largely irrelevant. If this is a common perception, can sources be found?- gadfium 09:52, 7 October 2009 (UTC)
Although the majority do not find it offencive, There is a large number of those that do. So I changed the wording a bit. 210.185.9.85 ( talk) 07:56, 2 February 2010 (UTC)
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I propose to merge this article into New Zealander. They refer to the same thing. CityOfSails2 ( talk) 01:53, 15 April 2020 (UTC)
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Shhhnotsoloud (
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18:12, 6 August 2020 (UTC)
'"Kiwi" is the nickname used internationally for people from New Zealand, as well as being a relatively common self-reference.'
The order here is misleading. It implies that the term is primarily used by non-New Zealanders, which is highly dubious.. Just like Aussie, it seems to very primarily be an endonym, and merely an occasional exonym. Prinsgezinde ( talk) 06:12, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
I recently reverted some changes to the § Current usage section. Admittedly I was wrong to describe the changes as "tantamount to vandalism", which wasn't assuming WP:GOODFAITH. I apologise for that. However I do maintain that the article ought to describe the practical usage of the term, not inject an editor's opinion about what the correct usage should be. I think the section is lacking sources which actually discuss the usage of the form Kiwi as opposed to Kiwis. We have examples instead, e.g. Kiwibank changing its slogan. -- Hazhk ( talk) 16:20, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Should there be a reference to the common misconception in most of the world, particularly Australia, that the Kiwi nickname refers to the Kiwi Fruit and that we associate the fruit's colours of brown and green with New Zealand? I note that a reference in the "see also" section mentions this but perhaps it should be in the article as well? 203.46.132.214 ( talk) 05:56, 19 May 2023 (UTC)