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Due to the BBC programme and related article, this page should be restricted. It may be that the care by Father Kit to children in boarding schools was considered abusive (as most child raising of times past might be so considered today). There may well be allegation of inappropriate touching deemed sexual, however the label of 'paedophile' as a life long choice, or of continuing sexual activity throughout that life to be deemed 'bisexual' is an allegation. It shouldn't be here without referencing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.79.136 ( talk • contribs)
I just deleted Father Kit Cunningham as an attack page in good faith because of BLP concerns, it was referenced to a fairly normal obituary at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/8199757/Father-Kit-Cunningham.html but contained mainly claims of child abuse from http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/jun/19/kit-cunningham-child-abuse, can somebody just review it please and revert deletion or endorse as necessary, thanks (also some content at St Etheldreda's Church). MilborneOne ( talk) 21:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
The way I see it is that (as recorded in the Guardian) Fr Kit Cunningham did not deny the abuse allegations and wrote a letter of appology and handed back his OBE. The article was by no means the finished article, and I was planning to include more info re Fr Kit's good work in London. Philadelphia 2009 ( talk) 22:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
"And the worst aspect of all is what looks like a cover up in the Church; not just priests covering up for each other in a local culture of sinful complicity, but the Rosminian order itself: it knew of the truth of the allegations against Fr Cunningham at least a year before his death if not longer – and yet they still held a memorial service in January which duly echoed all the tributes paid to him on his death. This is appalling." http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/06/20/why-didnt-the-rosminian-order-tell-us-the-truth-about-fr-kit/ Philadelphia 2009 ( talk) 22:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Assertions on the article based on the claims of a few, discussion of "crimes", never charged or prosecuted, perhaps "alleged crimes" would be better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smurkledunk ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
User:Anglicanus removed the letters 'MBE' after Fr Cunningham's name. I am going to restore them. This is not a question of morality, but of accuracy. There is only one way in which an honour can be removed. The Forfeiture Committee submits a recommendation to the Queen through the Prime Minister, and the Queen then directs that the appointment be cancelled and annulled and that the person's name be erased from the register of the order, and the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood places a notice in the London Gazette. This is generally done when a person has been found guilty of a serious criminal offence. Fr Cunningham admitted his guilt, but he was never found guilty in a court of law. Honours cannot be renounced; the mere gesture of returning the medal to the Queen has no legal effects whatsoever. John Lennon, for example, famously returned his medal the the Queen, but his Wikipedia biography nonetheless records him as 'John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE'. Whether one likes it or not, Fr Cunningham remained a Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire until his death, and he should be recorded as such here.-- Oxonian2006 ( talk) 16:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I've deleted some duplicate refs. If you need a ref, please check it's not already in the list, before u add it. Philadelphia 2009 ( talk) 22:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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@ JustAChurchMouse: Why categorize him as LGBT or anything like that? The whole article in prose neither implies nor identifies him as such. Furthermore, I don't see how his.... actions made him as that. George Ho ( talk) 19:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
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Due to the BBC programme and related article, this page should be restricted. It may be that the care by Father Kit to children in boarding schools was considered abusive (as most child raising of times past might be so considered today). There may well be allegation of inappropriate touching deemed sexual, however the label of 'paedophile' as a life long choice, or of continuing sexual activity throughout that life to be deemed 'bisexual' is an allegation. It shouldn't be here without referencing.— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.21.79.136 ( talk • contribs)
I just deleted Father Kit Cunningham as an attack page in good faith because of BLP concerns, it was referenced to a fairly normal obituary at http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/obituaries/8199757/Father-Kit-Cunningham.html but contained mainly claims of child abuse from http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2011/jun/19/kit-cunningham-child-abuse, can somebody just review it please and revert deletion or endorse as necessary, thanks (also some content at St Etheldreda's Church). MilborneOne ( talk) 21:51, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
The way I see it is that (as recorded in the Guardian) Fr Kit Cunningham did not deny the abuse allegations and wrote a letter of appology and handed back his OBE. The article was by no means the finished article, and I was planning to include more info re Fr Kit's good work in London. Philadelphia 2009 ( talk) 22:19, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
"And the worst aspect of all is what looks like a cover up in the Church; not just priests covering up for each other in a local culture of sinful complicity, but the Rosminian order itself: it knew of the truth of the allegations against Fr Cunningham at least a year before his death if not longer – and yet they still held a memorial service in January which duly echoed all the tributes paid to him on his death. This is appalling." http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/commentandblogs/2011/06/20/why-didnt-the-rosminian-order-tell-us-the-truth-about-fr-kit/ Philadelphia 2009 ( talk) 22:34, 21 June 2011 (UTC)
Assertions on the article based on the claims of a few, discussion of "crimes", never charged or prosecuted, perhaps "alleged crimes" would be better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Smurkledunk ( talk • contribs) 11:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
User:Anglicanus removed the letters 'MBE' after Fr Cunningham's name. I am going to restore them. This is not a question of morality, but of accuracy. There is only one way in which an honour can be removed. The Forfeiture Committee submits a recommendation to the Queen through the Prime Minister, and the Queen then directs that the appointment be cancelled and annulled and that the person's name be erased from the register of the order, and the Central Chancery of the Orders of Knighthood places a notice in the London Gazette. This is generally done when a person has been found guilty of a serious criminal offence. Fr Cunningham admitted his guilt, but he was never found guilty in a court of law. Honours cannot be renounced; the mere gesture of returning the medal to the Queen has no legal effects whatsoever. John Lennon, for example, famously returned his medal the the Queen, but his Wikipedia biography nonetheless records him as 'John Winston Ono Lennon, MBE'. Whether one likes it or not, Fr Cunningham remained a Member of the Most Excellent Order of the British Empire until his death, and he should be recorded as such here.-- Oxonian2006 ( talk) 16:16, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
I've deleted some duplicate refs. If you need a ref, please check it's not already in the list, before u add it. Philadelphia 2009 ( talk) 22:12, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
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@ JustAChurchMouse: Why categorize him as LGBT or anything like that? The whole article in prose neither implies nor identifies him as such. Furthermore, I don't see how his.... actions made him as that. George Ho ( talk) 19:59, 17 October 2023 (UTC)
Do not categorize people based upon deduction, inference [...] Doing so would be original research. Inclusion of people in a category must be based on verifiability from reliable sources.This is restated in WP:CATLGBT, the section specifically about categorising people as LGBT:
For a person who has died [...] there must be verifiable reliable published sources that the description is appropriate.Caeciliusinhorto ( talk) 10:40, 22 October 2023 (UTC)