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Товболатов perhaps it's better for the article to be renamed as "Kists/Kistins (ethnonym)" to not cause confusion with the modern day Kists that live in Georgia? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 21:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
WikiEditor1234567123 Muqale Hello, i propose we change up this article a bit because as of now it looks very Ingush-centered. I didn't know this page existed until now, i have some problems with it:
1. First of all, "In Russian sources of the XVIII century the ethnonym «Kists» often referred exclusively to the Ingush people, and extended to all Nakh societies" what is this based on exactly? Kists were most certainly not exclusively referred to as Ingush people, not in the XVIII century either. In fact all Nakh peoples were referred to as Kist as is even attested in the last section of this article from Guildenshtedt's work.
2. History section is lacking some sources, it is noteworthy that the very first Russian source that mentioned "Kist" was in 1665 by a Georgian ambassador who mentioned the "Kistichant" between the city of Chechan and Tusheti. This is in fact in modern Chechnya and could be called the "nearby Kists" of the later Russian sources. Here is the source: https://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Kavkaz/XVI/Russ_Chech_otn/101-120/114.htm
Also we should mention Armenians who mentioned the "Xistk" that have been theorized to have been Kists in the 9th century.
3. Maps, there are too many of them, We should stick to 1 or 2. We can decide here which ones.
4. Fyappiy (Vyappiy), does this need to be here? there were more teips than Fyappi that have been referred to as Kist, it seems unnecessary that make a section on 1 specific teip no? Goddard2000 ( talk) 23:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
First of all assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Goddard2000 and Muqale. I don't quite agree that the page is Ingush centered, I think it looks fine. It's to good mention Fyappiy as they have been mentioned as Kists and exclusively mentioned as Nearby Kists during the 18-20th centuries. Fyappiy aren't a taïp, they are a large Ingush society with many taïps and surnames. Regarding your other points, I think Muqale has already answered them and I'm of same opinion with him. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 16:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Muqale and Goddard2000, perhaps we should change the name of this article to something like "Kists (ethnonym)"? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 16:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Was this google translated or something? The history section is unreadable 212.58.114.225 ( talk) 18:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)
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Товболатов perhaps it's better for the article to be renamed as "Kists/Kistins (ethnonym)" to not cause confusion with the modern day Kists that live in Georgia? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 21:17, 7 February 2023 (UTC)
WikiEditor1234567123 Muqale Hello, i propose we change up this article a bit because as of now it looks very Ingush-centered. I didn't know this page existed until now, i have some problems with it:
1. First of all, "In Russian sources of the XVIII century the ethnonym «Kists» often referred exclusively to the Ingush people, and extended to all Nakh societies" what is this based on exactly? Kists were most certainly not exclusively referred to as Ingush people, not in the XVIII century either. In fact all Nakh peoples were referred to as Kist as is even attested in the last section of this article from Guildenshtedt's work.
2. History section is lacking some sources, it is noteworthy that the very first Russian source that mentioned "Kist" was in 1665 by a Georgian ambassador who mentioned the "Kistichant" between the city of Chechan and Tusheti. This is in fact in modern Chechnya and could be called the "nearby Kists" of the later Russian sources. Here is the source: https://www.vostlit.info/Texts/Dokumenty/Kavkaz/XVI/Russ_Chech_otn/101-120/114.htm
Also we should mention Armenians who mentioned the "Xistk" that have been theorized to have been Kists in the 9th century.
3. Maps, there are too many of them, We should stick to 1 or 2. We can decide here which ones.
4. Fyappiy (Vyappiy), does this need to be here? there were more teips than Fyappi that have been referred to as Kist, it seems unnecessary that make a section on 1 specific teip no? Goddard2000 ( talk) 23:24, 27 February 2023 (UTC)
First of all assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Goddard2000 and Muqale. I don't quite agree that the page is Ingush centered, I think it looks fine. It's to good mention Fyappiy as they have been mentioned as Kists and exclusively mentioned as Nearby Kists during the 18-20th centuries. Fyappiy aren't a taïp, they are a large Ingush society with many taïps and surnames. Regarding your other points, I think Muqale has already answered them and I'm of same opinion with him. WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 16:37, 28 February 2023 (UTC)
Assalamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatuh Muqale and Goddard2000, perhaps we should change the name of this article to something like "Kists (ethnonym)"? WikiEditor1234567123 ( talk) 16:46, 8 May 2023 (UTC)
Was this google translated or something? The history section is unreadable 212.58.114.225 ( talk) 18:47, 4 March 2024 (UTC)