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Is the band usually written in capitals thus "KISS"? If so, I suggest the band be moved to KISS (with a link). -- Tarquin
Heh. I was hoping there would be some "History of the Kiss". Maybe based on study of other cultures or similar animals or something? Do we know anything about it? - Omegatron
I think this article puts to much emphasis on the sexual form of kissing. Perhaps an American cultural prejudice? cf. Cheek kissing
Oh, really? Japanese lovers don't kiss one another? I'll delete this until someone provides citation.-- Staticshakedown ( talk) 19:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me there is nothing other then the picture that relates to the 'first kiss,' which to me seems to be a very important part of western culture. There is most certainly stigma and social norms involving the first kiss, as well as things like people saving their first kiss for marriage. It just seems like a significant enough thing to get its own section. -- Darnedfrenchman ( talk) 19:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
What would anyone think about a photo as an illustration?
How about this one:
Or how about this one:
...To be reduced in size somewhat via the thumbnail feature... -- Infrogmation 21:01, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Just removed this image because three is too many for such a short article. violet/riga (t) 12:46, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have an even better proposal. How about a photograph of the statue, "The Kiss" by August Rodin?
Perhaps the greatest and most intimate depiction of a kiss ever, at least in my personal opinion... - Kasreyn 05:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
The current picture is terrible: the pose of the woman is too submissive for the 21st century. Also, look at the guy's left leg. It looks like it isn't even attached to him.-- 345Kai 17:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
That is how a good kiss should be regardless of height. Look at all the great kisses though out film, art and literature. Gone with the wind being a good example. Look at the 3 images above the first looks like they are nothing more than good friends, the second looks like the guy is drunk and the girl is jsut putting up with him yet Rodin's Kiss is regarded as one of the best depictations history has to offer. Schnizzle 12:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Should one of the pics in this article should be replaced by a famous movie kiss? -- 68.183.43.118 17:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Re to Omegatron's question above:
According to Texas A&M University anthropologist Vaughn Bryant,"References to kissing did not appear until 1500 BC when historians found four major texts in Vedic Sanskrit literature of India that suggested an early form of kissing. There are references to the custom of rubbing and pressing noses together. This practice, it is recorded, was a sign of affection, especially between lovers. This is not kissing as we know it today, but we believe it may have been its earliest beginning. About 500 to 1,000 years later, the epic Mahabharata, contained references suggesting that affection between people was expressed by lip kissing. Later, the Kama Sutra, a classic text on erotica, contained many examples of erotic kissing and kissing techniques." History has it that the Greeks learnt about kissing from the Indians and lip-locked their way throughout Europe and Asia around 326 B.C. However, it was the Romans who actually made kissing a popular practise. They had several forms of kissing, including the osculum, which was a kiss of friendship often delivered as a peck on the cheek as a form of affection. [1]
We need to put some history in the article. deeptrivia ( talk) 03:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
-- Victorcoutin 08:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems that the image of a kiss as a symbol is upside down. In the interest of being informative, perhaps it would be more appropriate to find a picture that is oriented correctly.
Djkimmons 06:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Since the image of "asymmetry in kissing" is about to be deleted because it's another of Toronto98's copyvios. Good riddance, if you ask me. I've nothing against french kissing but that photo was just gross.
Can anyone find an image of "asymmetry in kissing" that isn't a copyvio and doesn't look gross? Kasreyn 04:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe the assertion that Nelson's last words were "Kiss me, Hardy" is now held to be utterly false. If in doubt, look at the Wikipedia page on Nelson and any authorative source. This error should be changed, although mention could still be made of the common misconception. Blaise Joshua 12:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
With no disagreement, I've edited this section. Blaise Joshua 12:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
It is common practice -regardless of gender- to use a kiss (cheek to cheek) as a greeting at least in Belgium and France, and probably in most of western europe. Among male friends, it has mostly replaced handshake. In France, it is customary to kiss each cheek, once ore more according to local tradition.
There are too many images of same-sex couples kissing. Homosexual kisses are less than 10% (even of erotic kisses) and are illustrating disproportionately. -- Uncle Ed 21:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Well whatever they were before, homosexual kisses are now 2 of 4 (if you count the proposal, 2 of 5). That is definately not an accurate demographical representation -Zeus- 15:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by -Zeus- ( talk • contribs)
From my view today, there is not a single gay kiss shown on this page. It should be noted that the worlds longest kiss is a same-sex kiss. It should be added but chances are some of the Wiki bigots won't add this type of information because of fundamentalist bias. http://mattyandbobbykiss.tripod.com/ 178.25.204.209 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:31, 23 October 2010 (UTC).
In the hongi practiced by the Māori of New Zealand, noses are pressed, not rubbed, except by inexperienced non-Māori visitors. This act is never referred to as a kiss. Copey 2 00:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed in some cultures that don't allow kisses to be shown casually in the open(like Asia), would have the two love interests share someting like a piece of fruit or a drink insted. Am I wrong, or could this go into the artical?
perhaps onomatopoeic)
Since when does a kiss make a sound that sounds like, "Kiss." It doesn't, unless either of the people doing it make that sound. The noise reminds me more of a high-pitched form of a raspberry when I hear it on T.V. or whatever. I say the "perhaps onomatopoeic" part should be removed from the article, for not being NPOV (Neutral Point of View) and for being wrong. It is hard to classify the sound, as I'm trying to figure out what it would sound like, since my "high-pitched raspberry" isn't sounding right.
haha high pitched rasberry! thats amazing keep up the good work! :) Funkeydog ( talk) 03:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
The sections that read "Women are subconsciously more attracted to men whose immune system proteins and genotype are different than her own, leading to offspring with resistance to a greater number of diseases, and thus having a better chance of survival.", as well as the next sentence about couples bonding if they have the right "chemistry" (no citation), are not substantiated by any research in the source article. I've left the citation intact (#1, since it also relates to the another sentence in the paragraph), in case people want to take a look. The article is from what appears to be a journalism school's student-run website, that does not cite its sources, stating only that it is "the most widely accepted theory."
If anyone can come up with an actual study that supports this view, I would be happy to leave it there.
However, it may be useful to know that this seemingly uncontentious statement is part of a controversial theory called social darwinism, which holds that our *learned social behaviours* can be explained by biological evolutionary processes. (Standard theories of evolution hold only that our physical attributes, and possibly our unlearned instincts, are shaped by evolution.) Social darwinism may be quite valid in the case of instinctual behaviours. However, it is also frequently pressed into service to justify colonialism (weakening another people, they might say, allows one's own descendants to thrive), genocide (killing off part of the gene pool is contended to improve the chances of one's own genetic material being passed on), and rape (disregard for consent is explained as an adaptive behaviour, since it increases the pool of sexual partners and therefore the potential number of offspring). The fact that evolution can just as easily refute these contentions as support them is usually not addressed (under some other circumstance, the social darwinist could claim that genocide is evolutionarily counter-adaptive, since it limits the diversity of the gene pool and thus reduces our ability to mate with very different genotypes... basically the argument about genotype-based "disease resistance" that shows up in citation #1 of this article.)
So, if you do find a source purporting to have scientific evidence in support of some social behaviour being based in "more disease-resistant offspring," or some such -- especially if it is still unknown whether the behaviour in question is instinctual or not -- it may be worth investigating a little more carefully to determine the source's POV. Wordie 01:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
The Bob Carlisle song "Butterfly Kisses" was insanely popular and practically legendary (I can't stand it, but I can't deny its impact on the culture). Why on earth should the phrase redirect to "Kiss"? Also, there is a female version of NAMBLA called Butterfly Kisses [2]. Is a sexual relationship between an adult and a child somehow less disturbing and noteworthy when it's woman/girl as opposed to man/boy? The very thought that the phrase "Butterfly Kisses" doesn't deserve an article, or at least a disambig page of its own, seems ridiculous to me. - Ugliness Man 10:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with butterfly kiss redirecting to kiss either. Especially not given that the article gives no reference to butterfly kissing, which is not the same as normal kissing. Hypnoticmonkey ( talk) 19:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
"In Slang Arabic "kiss" means the female reproductive organ" - I think whoever wrote this meant the word Kuss, which is pronounced nothing like the word Kiss... this is just false. 89.138.165.53
i like butterfly kisses. Korimax 20:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)korimax
Should this actually be part of the notes?
I'm assuming it's someone screwing with it and am removing the line up to "New. Cole 21:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Chris goulet 03:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Is extremely weak. There is altogether no history, and altogether too much extraneous nonsense. And the notable section is really upsetting . . . does someone seriously think that one of the most famous kisses in moviedom was Leo and Kate Winslet in Titanic?!?!?! Gag me. Nobody even thinks to mention Catullus, who wrote what is really more likely to be the most famous kissing poem, ever. Large parts of this should be axed, I think, or moved to a list (without the POV adjective "notable") to maybe an List of kisses in media. Then the parts that are here ought to be written for adults, and not in the childish tone that this article is written. We might also want to open a history book or two, and say more than "Anthropologists don't know why we kiss" . . . -- Ioscius (talk) 23:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I've edited "Kissing can result in the transmission of diseases from one another. These diseases include Mononucleosis, herpes, and even HIV has been recorded in one case." because the reference sayd there has been only ONE reported case (with unusual circumstances of transmission) and there's common consent in medicine in this matter. HIV does NOT spread by kissing. [3]. -- Juan Manuel 13:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
We are told to wash our hands... add what the official advice is about kissing, in today's world of flu, etc... Jidanni ( talk) 04:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
This I think does deserve a page of it's own. It is the a close act of love. One person closes their eyes and their partner lies their eyelashes gently across the first ones cheek and flutters it. like a butterfly landing on a cheek. [mdogg20] 172.188.113.81 21:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
It's a rarer Latinate synonym. In what sense is it "the scientific name"? The Wednesday Island ( talk) 05:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Victorcoutin moved Judas from history to folklore, on the grounds that the Bible is not a history book. While the views of many on some aspects of the truth or otherwise may reasonably be seen as POV, my understanding is that the betrayal of Jesus is well documented. I see moving it to folklore as deliberately pejorative. Ringbark ( talk) 23:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I see that WhereIsTheCite? has proposed a merge from Kissing booth to this article. I support that, as the content of the other article could be included here with no significant increase in length. Tuvok T @ lk/ Improve me 11:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
The use of Image:Vj_day_kiss.jpg in this article is probably not legitimate fair use... AnonMoos ( talk) 13:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
"In Eastern European countries till recent times, kissing between two men on the lips as a greeting or a farewell was as normal as the modern Western handshake. This custom has nearly died out due to Western influence. When was "Eastern Europe" not part of "Western Influence...?" I find it weird since most people equate "Europe" with part of "Western influence." Can someone fix this? BTW, "Slavic", etc is not part of "Eastern Europe" either... O.o;; And Muslim is a religion, not a set of countries... There are many countries outside of Europe that have the Muslim religion. Why is it in the same paragraph? Someone needs a map.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 08:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I moved the Doisneau and Chalkin photograph notes from "In art" to "In photography," simply because it seemed to make more sense. Similarly, shouldn't Andy Warhol's "avant-garde film" be moved from "In art" to "In film"? I didn't want to make the move if it wasn't appropriate; most of the films listed in the section are mainstream-y. AshleyScripter { talkback} 21:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest moving the "Notable Kisses" trivia section and putting it into it's own article, namely, Kissing in Popular Culture. --Is this fact... ? 05:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be at least one picture of two people kissing, if only because a description in words is much more complicated then simply depicting the act. Moreover Wikipedia advises to have images for good and [Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria| featured articles]], if possible. Perhaps the best choice is a critically acclaimed piece of sculputure, photography, film or painting (See The Kiss or the list of artistic kiss images on the commons, f.i.). Or otherwise a lot of people have shared their personal moments on the commons as well. C mon ( talk) 07:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
When kissing on the lips, why do people always close their eyes? 96.229.193.68 ( talk) 09:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
In the southeast, kissing is an expression of ROMANTIC affection. People never kiss each other on the cheek, not even close relatives. 96.10.0.34 ( talk) 16:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Two almost contradictory passages which should be explained more, perhaps: «Kissing in Western cultures is a fairly recent development and is rarely mentioned even in Greek literature» ( Kiss#Culture), «Yet even among higher civilizations Crawley saw differences: while the kiss seems to have been unknown to ancient Egypt, it was well established in early Greece [...]» ( Kiss#Nature_and_history_of_the_kiss). -- Nemo 07:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
«The friendly kiss until recent times usually occured only between ladies» etc.: as far as I know this is not true, e.g. in Nederlands. Nyrop, as a 1901 book, seems very anglo-centric. Below you can read: «In Slavic cultures until recent times, kissing between two men on the lips as a greeting or a farewell was not uncommon and not considered sexual». This article is not so consistent... -- Nemo 07:40, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The above image is placed here for discussion and opinions as it seems to add a new type of image that is not actually discussed in the body. It may have some other issues that should be cleared up but a few that I see are the following:
Basically, the image has problems about whether it adds anything to an article about kissing. This focused topic should not divert into illustrating political satires which only confuses readers, forcing many to read about former leaders, the Berlin Wall, and political philosophy, to understand the unstated satirical message of the painting. -- Wikiwatcher1 ( talk) 20:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
You are both right:
I suggest: Write a section about this kind of ritual kisses, and move the image there. Strike "kiss of friendship" from the caption, and replace it with "satirical painting showing a ritual kiss of ...". I suggest using the following sources for a start: this overview about evolution of ritual kisses in Europe, from the Middle Ages to Communism, and this paragraph concerned with the specific kiss the image is about. This should do. Best Skäpperöd ( talk) 19:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm about to add several tags to the article, so I thought I would explain why first.
No doubt kissing is awesome, but Wikipedia must be asexual- NPOV. As it is, the article has a very positive outlook on kissing. For example, before I deleted it a minute ago, the lead read "It is considered "an act expressive of endearment," as something "most natural."[1] Sir Richard Steele writes, "Tis certain, Nature was its author and it began with the first courtship." If "it" referred to abortion, racism, homosexuality, or anything else, I doubt this would be acceptable. (Note: I'm not equating these subjects with eachother- I just picked controversial subjects.)
Other problems include a heavy reliance on a single text, Christoper Nyrop's The Kiss and its History; the majority of the article could easily be renamed "Nyrop's opinions on kissing". Who is Nyrop and why do his ideas matter so much? Also, Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, so, while not completely useless, Intro to Kissing needs reworking. I'm sure not everyone cares whether they have privacy or kiss on the street. And, as noted above, there is a heavy bias toward western views toward kissing. Liqudluck✽ talk 01:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
"In China, for example, a similar expression of affection consists of rubbing one's nose against the cheek of another person. In Japan, kissing is done as "proof of affection but not love;" mothers kiss their children yet Japanese lovers do not kiss one another. In other Eastern cultures kissing is likewise not commonly done. "
What? I'm sure this paragraph is written by anyone who knows nothing about asia at all. I'm chinese. Firstly, I've never seen anyone "rubbing one's nose against the cheek of another person". Secondly, "Japanese lovers do not kiss one another" - that is totally rubbish. Kissing is very common nowadays, as most people watch hollywood movies in this globalized world. Although I must say, we only kiss with lovers, while kissing with parents or with ordinary friends is not as common. 144.32.56.121 ( talk) 02:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. I lived in Tokyo for 10 years, and my wife is Japanese. The statement in this section about Japan was probably true about 50 or 100 years ago, but not today. It is highly inaccurate about the current state of kissing in Japan. Lovers do it all the time. Since this section is unreferenced anyway, any objection to deletion of the incorrect statements? -- Westwind273 ( talk) 18:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the low-quality, semi-nude voyeur picture again (but I assume the person who keeps adding it will just put it back). Someone else called it "creepy" and I agree. It's not appropriate for this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.164.21 ( talk) 12:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Really guys, I think you are the ones who have your mind in the gutter. The background story is of liberation and free love in an atmosphere that we will never be privy to. I was not in any way shape or form titillated by this photograph. I thought, "Awwww," how cute. And then I moved on. I went to the discussion page and saw this topic and felt I need to say something as wikiwatcher is being attacked for no reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.117.155 ( talk) 10:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
This reference (#21) is extremely dubious. Reading the first page of the book reveals a nearly Time Cube level of crazy. An excerpt:
Do we really want to be taking claims made in this book and presenting them as fact in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.114.196 ( talk) 22:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The statement that Indigenous Australians are not familiar with kissing is false. While this may have been true at some point in history, it is untrue now, and this should be clarified as it is for other (white Western) cultures. I suspect this is also true for the references to people in Africa and Malaya. Missyjack ( talk) 09:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
A photo was removed as being of "poor quality." It was replaced by yet another 19th century painting, which is turning a "real world" article into what reads and looks like a historical relic which is only found in art galleries. The comment, that it is "poor quality" is one editor's point of view only; in addition, quality is not the main criteria for including photos -- relevance is. There seems no logic to replacing a real life photo with an oil painting based on one artist's imagination of what Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet might have looked like. In restoring the photo, it is done as a WP:BRD edit and should have a discussion and consensus before any more POV opinions and changes. -- Wikiwatcher1 ( talk) 17:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
Removed:
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Is the band usually written in capitals thus "KISS"? If so, I suggest the band be moved to KISS (with a link). -- Tarquin
Heh. I was hoping there would be some "History of the Kiss". Maybe based on study of other cultures or similar animals or something? Do we know anything about it? - Omegatron
I think this article puts to much emphasis on the sexual form of kissing. Perhaps an American cultural prejudice? cf. Cheek kissing
Oh, really? Japanese lovers don't kiss one another? I'll delete this until someone provides citation.-- Staticshakedown ( talk) 19:05, 28 June 2010 (UTC)
It seems to me there is nothing other then the picture that relates to the 'first kiss,' which to me seems to be a very important part of western culture. There is most certainly stigma and social norms involving the first kiss, as well as things like people saving their first kiss for marriage. It just seems like a significant enough thing to get its own section. -- Darnedfrenchman ( talk) 19:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)
What would anyone think about a photo as an illustration?
How about this one:
Or how about this one:
...To be reduced in size somewhat via the thumbnail feature... -- Infrogmation 21:01, 26 Feb 2004 (UTC)
Just removed this image because three is too many for such a short article. violet/riga (t) 12:46, 2 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have an even better proposal. How about a photograph of the statue, "The Kiss" by August Rodin?
Perhaps the greatest and most intimate depiction of a kiss ever, at least in my personal opinion... - Kasreyn 05:07, 13 February 2006 (UTC)
The current picture is terrible: the pose of the woman is too submissive for the 21st century. Also, look at the guy's left leg. It looks like it isn't even attached to him.-- 345Kai 17:24, 13 April 2006 (UTC)
That is how a good kiss should be regardless of height. Look at all the great kisses though out film, art and literature. Gone with the wind being a good example. Look at the 3 images above the first looks like they are nothing more than good friends, the second looks like the guy is drunk and the girl is jsut putting up with him yet Rodin's Kiss is regarded as one of the best depictations history has to offer. Schnizzle 12:28, 21 November 2006 (UTC)
Should one of the pics in this article should be replaced by a famous movie kiss? -- 68.183.43.118 17:07, 11 May 2007 (UTC)
Re to Omegatron's question above:
According to Texas A&M University anthropologist Vaughn Bryant,"References to kissing did not appear until 1500 BC when historians found four major texts in Vedic Sanskrit literature of India that suggested an early form of kissing. There are references to the custom of rubbing and pressing noses together. This practice, it is recorded, was a sign of affection, especially between lovers. This is not kissing as we know it today, but we believe it may have been its earliest beginning. About 500 to 1,000 years later, the epic Mahabharata, contained references suggesting that affection between people was expressed by lip kissing. Later, the Kama Sutra, a classic text on erotica, contained many examples of erotic kissing and kissing techniques." History has it that the Greeks learnt about kissing from the Indians and lip-locked their way throughout Europe and Asia around 326 B.C. However, it was the Romans who actually made kissing a popular practise. They had several forms of kissing, including the osculum, which was a kiss of friendship often delivered as a peck on the cheek as a form of affection. [1]
We need to put some history in the article. deeptrivia ( talk) 03:29, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
-- Victorcoutin 08:03, 13 November 2007 (UTC)
It seems that the image of a kiss as a symbol is upside down. In the interest of being informative, perhaps it would be more appropriate to find a picture that is oriented correctly.
Djkimmons 06:00, 7 March 2006 (UTC)
Since the image of "asymmetry in kissing" is about to be deleted because it's another of Toronto98's copyvios. Good riddance, if you ask me. I've nothing against french kissing but that photo was just gross.
Can anyone find an image of "asymmetry in kissing" that isn't a copyvio and doesn't look gross? Kasreyn 04:47, 8 May 2006 (UTC)
I believe the assertion that Nelson's last words were "Kiss me, Hardy" is now held to be utterly false. If in doubt, look at the Wikipedia page on Nelson and any authorative source. This error should be changed, although mention could still be made of the common misconception. Blaise Joshua 12:47, 13 May 2006 (UTC)
With no disagreement, I've edited this section. Blaise Joshua 12:04, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
It is common practice -regardless of gender- to use a kiss (cheek to cheek) as a greeting at least in Belgium and France, and probably in most of western europe. Among male friends, it has mostly replaced handshake. In France, it is customary to kiss each cheek, once ore more according to local tradition.
There are too many images of same-sex couples kissing. Homosexual kisses are less than 10% (even of erotic kisses) and are illustrating disproportionately. -- Uncle Ed 21:04, 20 October 2006 (UTC)
Well whatever they were before, homosexual kisses are now 2 of 4 (if you count the proposal, 2 of 5). That is definately not an accurate demographical representation -Zeus- 15:08, 25 August 2008 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by -Zeus- ( talk • contribs)
From my view today, there is not a single gay kiss shown on this page. It should be noted that the worlds longest kiss is a same-sex kiss. It should be added but chances are some of the Wiki bigots won't add this type of information because of fundamentalist bias. http://mattyandbobbykiss.tripod.com/ 178.25.204.209 ( talk) —Preceding undated comment added 14:31, 23 October 2010 (UTC).
In the hongi practiced by the Māori of New Zealand, noses are pressed, not rubbed, except by inexperienced non-Māori visitors. This act is never referred to as a kiss. Copey 2 00:40, 26 October 2006 (UTC)
I've noticed in some cultures that don't allow kisses to be shown casually in the open(like Asia), would have the two love interests share someting like a piece of fruit or a drink insted. Am I wrong, or could this go into the artical?
perhaps onomatopoeic)
Since when does a kiss make a sound that sounds like, "Kiss." It doesn't, unless either of the people doing it make that sound. The noise reminds me more of a high-pitched form of a raspberry when I hear it on T.V. or whatever. I say the "perhaps onomatopoeic" part should be removed from the article, for not being NPOV (Neutral Point of View) and for being wrong. It is hard to classify the sound, as I'm trying to figure out what it would sound like, since my "high-pitched raspberry" isn't sounding right.
haha high pitched rasberry! thats amazing keep up the good work! :) Funkeydog ( talk) 03:49, 17 June 2008 (UTC)
The sections that read "Women are subconsciously more attracted to men whose immune system proteins and genotype are different than her own, leading to offspring with resistance to a greater number of diseases, and thus having a better chance of survival.", as well as the next sentence about couples bonding if they have the right "chemistry" (no citation), are not substantiated by any research in the source article. I've left the citation intact (#1, since it also relates to the another sentence in the paragraph), in case people want to take a look. The article is from what appears to be a journalism school's student-run website, that does not cite its sources, stating only that it is "the most widely accepted theory."
If anyone can come up with an actual study that supports this view, I would be happy to leave it there.
However, it may be useful to know that this seemingly uncontentious statement is part of a controversial theory called social darwinism, which holds that our *learned social behaviours* can be explained by biological evolutionary processes. (Standard theories of evolution hold only that our physical attributes, and possibly our unlearned instincts, are shaped by evolution.) Social darwinism may be quite valid in the case of instinctual behaviours. However, it is also frequently pressed into service to justify colonialism (weakening another people, they might say, allows one's own descendants to thrive), genocide (killing off part of the gene pool is contended to improve the chances of one's own genetic material being passed on), and rape (disregard for consent is explained as an adaptive behaviour, since it increases the pool of sexual partners and therefore the potential number of offspring). The fact that evolution can just as easily refute these contentions as support them is usually not addressed (under some other circumstance, the social darwinist could claim that genocide is evolutionarily counter-adaptive, since it limits the diversity of the gene pool and thus reduces our ability to mate with very different genotypes... basically the argument about genotype-based "disease resistance" that shows up in citation #1 of this article.)
So, if you do find a source purporting to have scientific evidence in support of some social behaviour being based in "more disease-resistant offspring," or some such -- especially if it is still unknown whether the behaviour in question is instinctual or not -- it may be worth investigating a little more carefully to determine the source's POV. Wordie 01:24, 2 March 2007 (UTC)
The Bob Carlisle song "Butterfly Kisses" was insanely popular and practically legendary (I can't stand it, but I can't deny its impact on the culture). Why on earth should the phrase redirect to "Kiss"? Also, there is a female version of NAMBLA called Butterfly Kisses [2]. Is a sexual relationship between an adult and a child somehow less disturbing and noteworthy when it's woman/girl as opposed to man/boy? The very thought that the phrase "Butterfly Kisses" doesn't deserve an article, or at least a disambig page of its own, seems ridiculous to me. - Ugliness Man 10:35, 10 May 2007 (UTC)
I don't agree with butterfly kiss redirecting to kiss either. Especially not given that the article gives no reference to butterfly kissing, which is not the same as normal kissing. Hypnoticmonkey ( talk) 19:15, 17 August 2008 (UTC)
"In Slang Arabic "kiss" means the female reproductive organ" - I think whoever wrote this meant the word Kuss, which is pronounced nothing like the word Kiss... this is just false. 89.138.165.53
i like butterfly kisses. Korimax 20:52, 8 July 2007 (UTC)korimax
Should this actually be part of the notes?
I'm assuming it's someone screwing with it and am removing the line up to "New. Cole 21:34, 10 June 2007 (UTC)
Chris goulet 03:21, 17 June 2007 (UTC)
Is extremely weak. There is altogether no history, and altogether too much extraneous nonsense. And the notable section is really upsetting . . . does someone seriously think that one of the most famous kisses in moviedom was Leo and Kate Winslet in Titanic?!?!?! Gag me. Nobody even thinks to mention Catullus, who wrote what is really more likely to be the most famous kissing poem, ever. Large parts of this should be axed, I think, or moved to a list (without the POV adjective "notable") to maybe an List of kisses in media. Then the parts that are here ought to be written for adults, and not in the childish tone that this article is written. We might also want to open a history book or two, and say more than "Anthropologists don't know why we kiss" . . . -- Ioscius (talk) 23:16, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
I've edited "Kissing can result in the transmission of diseases from one another. These diseases include Mononucleosis, herpes, and even HIV has been recorded in one case." because the reference sayd there has been only ONE reported case (with unusual circumstances of transmission) and there's common consent in medicine in this matter. HIV does NOT spread by kissing. [3]. -- Juan Manuel 13:09, 13 September 2007 (UTC)
We are told to wash our hands... add what the official advice is about kissing, in today's world of flu, etc... Jidanni ( talk) 04:19, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
This I think does deserve a page of it's own. It is the a close act of love. One person closes their eyes and their partner lies their eyelashes gently across the first ones cheek and flutters it. like a butterfly landing on a cheek. [mdogg20] 172.188.113.81 21:50, 24 September 2007 (UTC)
It's a rarer Latinate synonym. In what sense is it "the scientific name"? The Wednesday Island ( talk) 05:20, 18 November 2007 (UTC)
User:Victorcoutin moved Judas from history to folklore, on the grounds that the Bible is not a history book. While the views of many on some aspects of the truth or otherwise may reasonably be seen as POV, my understanding is that the betrayal of Jesus is well documented. I see moving it to folklore as deliberately pejorative. Ringbark ( talk) 23:15, 23 November 2007 (UTC)
I see that WhereIsTheCite? has proposed a merge from Kissing booth to this article. I support that, as the content of the other article could be included here with no significant increase in length. Tuvok T @ lk/ Improve me 11:17, 19 December 2007 (UTC)
The use of Image:Vj_day_kiss.jpg in this article is probably not legitimate fair use... AnonMoos ( talk) 13:45, 15 February 2008 (UTC)
"In Eastern European countries till recent times, kissing between two men on the lips as a greeting or a farewell was as normal as the modern Western handshake. This custom has nearly died out due to Western influence. When was "Eastern Europe" not part of "Western Influence...?" I find it weird since most people equate "Europe" with part of "Western influence." Can someone fix this? BTW, "Slavic", etc is not part of "Eastern Europe" either... O.o;; And Muslim is a religion, not a set of countries... There are many countries outside of Europe that have the Muslim religion. Why is it in the same paragraph? Someone needs a map.-- Hitsuji Kinno ( talk) 08:52, 2 March 2008 (UTC)
I moved the Doisneau and Chalkin photograph notes from "In art" to "In photography," simply because it seemed to make more sense. Similarly, shouldn't Andy Warhol's "avant-garde film" be moved from "In art" to "In film"? I didn't want to make the move if it wasn't appropriate; most of the films listed in the section are mainstream-y. AshleyScripter { talkback} 21:20, 6 March 2008 (UTC)
I suggest moving the "Notable Kisses" trivia section and putting it into it's own article, namely, Kissing in Popular Culture. --Is this fact... ? 05:08, 7 May 2008 (UTC)
Shouldn't there be at least one picture of two people kissing, if only because a description in words is much more complicated then simply depicting the act. Moreover Wikipedia advises to have images for good and [Wikipedia:Featured_article_criteria| featured articles]], if possible. Perhaps the best choice is a critically acclaimed piece of sculputure, photography, film or painting (See The Kiss or the list of artistic kiss images on the commons, f.i.). Or otherwise a lot of people have shared their personal moments on the commons as well. C mon ( talk) 07:35, 28 August 2008 (UTC)
When kissing on the lips, why do people always close their eyes? 96.229.193.68 ( talk) 09:03, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
In the southeast, kissing is an expression of ROMANTIC affection. People never kiss each other on the cheek, not even close relatives. 96.10.0.34 ( talk) 16:04, 24 February 2009 (UTC)
Two almost contradictory passages which should be explained more, perhaps: «Kissing in Western cultures is a fairly recent development and is rarely mentioned even in Greek literature» ( Kiss#Culture), «Yet even among higher civilizations Crawley saw differences: while the kiss seems to have been unknown to ancient Egypt, it was well established in early Greece [...]» ( Kiss#Nature_and_history_of_the_kiss). -- Nemo 07:30, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
«The friendly kiss until recent times usually occured only between ladies» etc.: as far as I know this is not true, e.g. in Nederlands. Nyrop, as a 1901 book, seems very anglo-centric. Below you can read: «In Slavic cultures until recent times, kissing between two men on the lips as a greeting or a farewell was not uncommon and not considered sexual». This article is not so consistent... -- Nemo 07:40, 7 November 2009 (UTC)
The above image is placed here for discussion and opinions as it seems to add a new type of image that is not actually discussed in the body. It may have some other issues that should be cleared up but a few that I see are the following:
Basically, the image has problems about whether it adds anything to an article about kissing. This focused topic should not divert into illustrating political satires which only confuses readers, forcing many to read about former leaders, the Berlin Wall, and political philosophy, to understand the unstated satirical message of the painting. -- Wikiwatcher1 ( talk) 20:41, 15 November 2009 (UTC)
You are both right:
I suggest: Write a section about this kind of ritual kisses, and move the image there. Strike "kiss of friendship" from the caption, and replace it with "satirical painting showing a ritual kiss of ...". I suggest using the following sources for a start: this overview about evolution of ritual kisses in Europe, from the Middle Ages to Communism, and this paragraph concerned with the specific kiss the image is about. This should do. Best Skäpperöd ( talk) 19:03, 17 November 2009 (UTC)
I'm about to add several tags to the article, so I thought I would explain why first.
No doubt kissing is awesome, but Wikipedia must be asexual- NPOV. As it is, the article has a very positive outlook on kissing. For example, before I deleted it a minute ago, the lead read "It is considered "an act expressive of endearment," as something "most natural."[1] Sir Richard Steele writes, "Tis certain, Nature was its author and it began with the first courtship." If "it" referred to abortion, racism, homosexuality, or anything else, I doubt this would be acceptable. (Note: I'm not equating these subjects with eachother- I just picked controversial subjects.)
Other problems include a heavy reliance on a single text, Christoper Nyrop's The Kiss and its History; the majority of the article could easily be renamed "Nyrop's opinions on kissing". Who is Nyrop and why do his ideas matter so much? Also, Wikipedia is not an instruction manual, so, while not completely useless, Intro to Kissing needs reworking. I'm sure not everyone cares whether they have privacy or kiss on the street. And, as noted above, there is a heavy bias toward western views toward kissing. Liqudluck✽ talk 01:12, 21 December 2009 (UTC)
"In China, for example, a similar expression of affection consists of rubbing one's nose against the cheek of another person. In Japan, kissing is done as "proof of affection but not love;" mothers kiss their children yet Japanese lovers do not kiss one another. In other Eastern cultures kissing is likewise not commonly done. "
What? I'm sure this paragraph is written by anyone who knows nothing about asia at all. I'm chinese. Firstly, I've never seen anyone "rubbing one's nose against the cheek of another person". Secondly, "Japanese lovers do not kiss one another" - that is totally rubbish. Kissing is very common nowadays, as most people watch hollywood movies in this globalized world. Although I must say, we only kiss with lovers, while kissing with parents or with ordinary friends is not as common. 144.32.56.121 ( talk) 02:24, 26 December 2009 (UTC)
Yes, I agree. I lived in Tokyo for 10 years, and my wife is Japanese. The statement in this section about Japan was probably true about 50 or 100 years ago, but not today. It is highly inaccurate about the current state of kissing in Japan. Lovers do it all the time. Since this section is unreferenced anyway, any objection to deletion of the incorrect statements? -- Westwind273 ( talk) 18:47, 13 April 2010 (UTC)
I've removed the low-quality, semi-nude voyeur picture again (but I assume the person who keeps adding it will just put it back). Someone else called it "creepy" and I agree. It's not appropriate for this article. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.94.164.21 ( talk) 12:14, 8 February 2010 (UTC)
Really guys, I think you are the ones who have your mind in the gutter. The background story is of liberation and free love in an atmosphere that we will never be privy to. I was not in any way shape or form titillated by this photograph. I thought, "Awwww," how cute. And then I moved on. I went to the discussion page and saw this topic and felt I need to say something as wikiwatcher is being attacked for no reason. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 64.252.117.155 ( talk) 10:06, 30 October 2010 (UTC)
This reference (#21) is extremely dubious. Reading the first page of the book reveals a nearly Time Cube level of crazy. An excerpt:
Do we really want to be taking claims made in this book and presenting them as fact in the article? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.114.196 ( talk) 22:50, 15 February 2010 (UTC)
The statement that Indigenous Australians are not familiar with kissing is false. While this may have been true at some point in history, it is untrue now, and this should be clarified as it is for other (white Western) cultures. I suspect this is also true for the references to people in Africa and Malaya. Missyjack ( talk) 09:10, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
A photo was removed as being of "poor quality." It was replaced by yet another 19th century painting, which is turning a "real world" article into what reads and looks like a historical relic which is only found in art galleries. The comment, that it is "poor quality" is one editor's point of view only; in addition, quality is not the main criteria for including photos -- relevance is. There seems no logic to replacing a real life photo with an oil painting based on one artist's imagination of what Shakespeare's Romeo and Juliet might have looked like. In restoring the photo, it is done as a WP:BRD edit and should have a discussion and consensus before any more POV opinions and changes. -- Wikiwatcher1 ( talk) 17:59, 10 July 2010 (UTC)
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