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Some part of this article is a copy from http://hpkinnaur.nic.in/culture.htm for example wrap up a woolen shawl-like garment called Dohru is a perfect match for a phrase is it possible to get a bit of a clarification of this so that we know that there isn't a copyvio. E.g. how this has been done under fair use. Mozzerati 18:57, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)
I've made a possible fixed version at the temp page. Please look at it and see if it works. JesseW 01:56, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Where? , user talk. Mozzerati, I explain that only certain sentences ome from there, but not all. If you are bloody not happy about it, then I expect a rewrite with exactly the same content but with changes in sentence orientation. thanks.
Okay, we have to be much more careful. I looked through your rewritten article and here are some phrases and sources
"who do not shave their heads and marry"
http://library.thinkquest.org/10131/kinnaur_buddhism.html
"Khayarcha is a mat used for sitting purposes, which is made of goats hair" "Women wrap up a woolen shawl like garment called dohru"
"households have some wooden chest for keeping grain and dried fruits." "The first wrap of dohru is on the back with embridered border displayed throughout its length up to the heels"
http://hpkinnaur.nic.in/culture.htm Mozzerati 22:16, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)
I have been thinking about this. Without comment from the original authors, I have no ability to tell which stuff has not been copied. I know that some has and that the copying goes beyond what I have undersood is okay for fair use. I will put the article back to the last revision which has no known copied text ( 12:56, 2004 Oct 27 Ajar) then I will add back the picture link. After that, if any of the old editors can tell me that the material they put in is original, I will do the work to restore it. I'd just like to say that I sympathise with the original editors. The laws of copyright are extremely unclear and vary from place to place. Even after a discussion with a professional publisher we were unable to agree exactly what was allowed and what wasn't; and that's just in the country where I come from. This makes it very difficult for a normal person to be know what is allowed.
The real reason to be careful is that problems with one copyright violation could damage the whole of wikipedia, especially if it gets to be published in book form. Mozzerati 19:43, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
User:Mozzerati left the below comment at User talk:Infrogmation:
Your new version of Kinnaur seemed to me to possible still be a copyvio. Please see the talk page for the discussion so far and the checking done. Are you happy that it's okay?? Your comments to the talk page would be appreciated.
I just checked the last change (by User:Chan Han Xiang) with the author and e confirmed e wrote it, so that's fine. JesseW 06:30, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
As a reminder, here are some of the comments you made on the Zanskar article (reproduced here in your very own words):
Now, even if they were justified, these are really not nice comments to make about anything or anybody. However, out of curiosity and since you are so persuated of your own superiority in all things literary, I decided to take a look at your "major" contributions in the hope of maybe learning something from you. In this respect, I was rather dissapointed but it was worth a good laugh. Reproduced below are some real nuggets to be found in your Kinnaur article:
Your articles are also full of typos (to be charitable). Here are the most obvious one lifted again verbatim form your
Kinnaur article:
I have already mentioned before that I do not consider myself to be an authority in english grammar (as opposed to you), however I have the sneaking suspicion that the sentences reproduced below do not exactely match the high standards you claim promoting:
This is just the tip of the iceberg and I could go on for hours...
Also, you have obviously lifted most of your text from the following website: [
http://hpkinnaur.nic.in/] and just worsened it. Your "Tourism"" section reads as an advertisement from the Himachal Pradesh Tourism Office, not like an entry in an encyclopedia. In the article you also constantly introduce very very obscure words that you fail to define or link with other Wikipedia articles.
And then there are the factual errors. For instance, the "Kinnaur Kailash" has nothing to do with the "Mount Kailash", therefore linking the one with the other is not only completely misleading but plainly wrong.
I hope that you now start to understand why we have reverted your edits on Zanskar so many times. Should that not be the case, read again carefully the comments you received by
User:Mel Etitis and
User:Nichalp.
Oh yes, before I forget, some times ago you posted the following message on my page:
"I want you to hold a discussion on May 10 or 11 about Zanskar. Stay online in wikipedia between those days. Thanks.
Tan 23:32, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)"
Do you even realise how extremely impolitely this sentance of yours is formulated.? It comes across as an extremely rude order. A polite request could have been:
I would like to hold a discussion on May 10 or 11 about Zanskar. Would it be possible for you to be online on these two days?
Do you see the difference?
Moumine 00:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Editors contributing to this article might be interested in leaving their views at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 15:50, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
What is meant by an administative circle? (Oh, and are oranges really grown in Kinnaur? It doesn't seem likely given everything else that's said about the climate and vegetation.) Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Just to explain that "metalled roads" is the English term; in the context I took the text to mean that there were nothing but mud tracks. The phrase comes from "road metal", where " metal" is used to mean any product of mines (so crushed rock, etc.). For various examples of its use: [3], [4], [5]. We don't use the term "tarred roads" Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 23:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
As a matter of fact, the great majority of the roads in this region are in fact tarred (or asphalted, whatever), although it can be said that because of the harsh climate the asphalt pretty quickly degrades, so that the once "tarred roads" turn into "metalled roads" so maybe we should just drop the "metalled-tarred-asphalted" and simply use "roads"?
Moumine 23:42, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I think that, given everything that Mourmine has said above, the phrase "reliably-surfaced" is most accurate and informative ("practicable" doesn't quite make sense here, but would anyway be a bit vague).
As for "metalled roads" — I've used the phrase all my life, and this is the first time I've really thought about it, and looked up its etymology. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 22:50, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Of course "practicable" does exist, just make a google search for "practicable roads". Admittedly, it is not as fitting as the german "befahrbare Strassen" (litt. drivable roads) but if I am not entirely mistaken, "practicable road" is the term used on US maps (I am afraid, I don't have one right now to check). Anyway, this entire discussion about the right expression to be used to describe Kinnauri roads is somewhat beside the point given the state of this article. (but I guess we all just had some fun correcting each other and I have to admit that I have learned something with Mels etymological dissertation on the origin of the word "metalled roads")
Moumine 23:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states that Kinnaur is divided into three administrative areas - Pooh, Kalpa, and Nichar. However, further down, there are still references to Upper, Middle, and Lower Kinnaur. This could possibly confuse the reader. Should we change all Upper, Middle, and Lower Kinnaurs to Poohs, Kalpas, and Nichars, or should we place a small "translation" beside Pooh, Kalpa, and Nichar? - JM Bell ° 09:57, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Greetings all.
I came to this article from the Community Portal, I'm a roaming copyeditor and I hopefully have made some decent contributions to the article. I removed the copyediting tag and am removing this article from the listing of articles needing copyediting, so I hope that is ok with everyone. If you feel the article still needs attention, let me know and I will try to help. Best regards, EvilPhoenix 05:55, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Why did you remove Tourists can visit the towns of Pooh, Reckong Peo Kalpa and Sangla, where they can see orchards of fruits and the exquisite designs of the local temples.
Anyway, I will be adding more content on top of that.
Tan 20:06, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Aside from the poor English, it lacks much genuine content, except for the value judgement about the exquisiteness of the temples. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 12:34, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Where is your "improvements"? Show me then. If I really did, I apologise.
Then, try to improve it if you can (I"ll do my part as well)
Tan 21:13, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
kinnaur apples are one of the richest quality apples available in india. It is widely popular for its sweetness,crunchiness and juiciness. Kinnaur apples are highly popular among apple traders due to its high demand and finest quality .kinnaur apples are regarded as king of fruit by Economic Times in the year 2013. kinnaur apples are hardly available for sale but it can be available on kinnaurappletraders.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinnaurappletraders ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
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Some part of this article is a copy from http://hpkinnaur.nic.in/culture.htm for example wrap up a woolen shawl-like garment called Dohru is a perfect match for a phrase is it possible to get a bit of a clarification of this so that we know that there isn't a copyvio. E.g. how this has been done under fair use. Mozzerati 18:57, 2004 Nov 1 (UTC)
I've made a possible fixed version at the temp page. Please look at it and see if it works. JesseW 01:56, 12 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Where? , user talk. Mozzerati, I explain that only certain sentences ome from there, but not all. If you are bloody not happy about it, then I expect a rewrite with exactly the same content but with changes in sentence orientation. thanks.
Okay, we have to be much more careful. I looked through your rewritten article and here are some phrases and sources
"who do not shave their heads and marry"
http://library.thinkquest.org/10131/kinnaur_buddhism.html
"Khayarcha is a mat used for sitting purposes, which is made of goats hair" "Women wrap up a woolen shawl like garment called dohru"
"households have some wooden chest for keeping grain and dried fruits." "The first wrap of dohru is on the back with embridered border displayed throughout its length up to the heels"
http://hpkinnaur.nic.in/culture.htm Mozzerati 22:16, 2004 Nov 12 (UTC)
I have been thinking about this. Without comment from the original authors, I have no ability to tell which stuff has not been copied. I know that some has and that the copying goes beyond what I have undersood is okay for fair use. I will put the article back to the last revision which has no known copied text ( 12:56, 2004 Oct 27 Ajar) then I will add back the picture link. After that, if any of the old editors can tell me that the material they put in is original, I will do the work to restore it. I'd just like to say that I sympathise with the original editors. The laws of copyright are extremely unclear and vary from place to place. Even after a discussion with a professional publisher we were unable to agree exactly what was allowed and what wasn't; and that's just in the country where I come from. This makes it very difficult for a normal person to be know what is allowed.
The real reason to be careful is that problems with one copyright violation could damage the whole of wikipedia, especially if it gets to be published in book form. Mozzerati 19:43, 2004 Nov 13 (UTC)
User:Mozzerati left the below comment at User talk:Infrogmation:
Your new version of Kinnaur seemed to me to possible still be a copyvio. Please see the talk page for the discussion so far and the checking done. Are you happy that it's okay?? Your comments to the talk page would be appreciated.
I just checked the last change (by User:Chan Han Xiang) with the author and e confirmed e wrote it, so that's fine. JesseW 06:30, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
As a reminder, here are some of the comments you made on the Zanskar article (reproduced here in your very own words):
Now, even if they were justified, these are really not nice comments to make about anything or anybody. However, out of curiosity and since you are so persuated of your own superiority in all things literary, I decided to take a look at your "major" contributions in the hope of maybe learning something from you. In this respect, I was rather dissapointed but it was worth a good laugh. Reproduced below are some real nuggets to be found in your Kinnaur article:
Your articles are also full of typos (to be charitable). Here are the most obvious one lifted again verbatim form your
Kinnaur article:
I have already mentioned before that I do not consider myself to be an authority in english grammar (as opposed to you), however I have the sneaking suspicion that the sentences reproduced below do not exactely match the high standards you claim promoting:
This is just the tip of the iceberg and I could go on for hours...
Also, you have obviously lifted most of your text from the following website: [
http://hpkinnaur.nic.in/] and just worsened it. Your "Tourism"" section reads as an advertisement from the Himachal Pradesh Tourism Office, not like an entry in an encyclopedia. In the article you also constantly introduce very very obscure words that you fail to define or link with other Wikipedia articles.
And then there are the factual errors. For instance, the "Kinnaur Kailash" has nothing to do with the "Mount Kailash", therefore linking the one with the other is not only completely misleading but plainly wrong.
I hope that you now start to understand why we have reverted your edits on Zanskar so many times. Should that not be the case, read again carefully the comments you received by
User:Mel Etitis and
User:Nichalp.
Oh yes, before I forget, some times ago you posted the following message on my page:
"I want you to hold a discussion on May 10 or 11 about Zanskar. Stay online in wikipedia between those days. Thanks.
Tan 23:32, 20 Apr 2005 (UTC)"
Do you even realise how extremely impolitely this sentance of yours is formulated.? It comes across as an extremely rude order. A polite request could have been:
I would like to hold a discussion on May 10 or 11 about Zanskar. Would it be possible for you to be online on these two days?
Do you see the difference?
Moumine 00:09, 23 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Editors contributing to this article might be interested in leaving their views at Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Mr Tan. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 15:50, 1 May 2005 (UTC)
What is meant by an administative circle? (Oh, and are oranges really grown in Kinnaur? It doesn't seem likely given everything else that's said about the climate and vegetation.) Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 09:16, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
Just to explain that "metalled roads" is the English term; in the context I took the text to mean that there were nothing but mud tracks. The phrase comes from "road metal", where " metal" is used to mean any product of mines (so crushed rock, etc.). For various examples of its use: [3], [4], [5]. We don't use the term "tarred roads" Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 23:21, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
As a matter of fact, the great majority of the roads in this region are in fact tarred (or asphalted, whatever), although it can be said that because of the harsh climate the asphalt pretty quickly degrades, so that the once "tarred roads" turn into "metalled roads" so maybe we should just drop the "metalled-tarred-asphalted" and simply use "roads"?
Moumine 23:42, 2 May 2005 (UTC)
I think that, given everything that Mourmine has said above, the phrase "reliably-surfaced" is most accurate and informative ("practicable" doesn't quite make sense here, but would anyway be a bit vague).
As for "metalled roads" — I've used the phrase all my life, and this is the first time I've really thought about it, and looked up its etymology. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 22:50, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
Of course "practicable" does exist, just make a google search for "practicable roads". Admittedly, it is not as fitting as the german "befahrbare Strassen" (litt. drivable roads) but if I am not entirely mistaken, "practicable road" is the term used on US maps (I am afraid, I don't have one right now to check). Anyway, this entire discussion about the right expression to be used to describe Kinnauri roads is somewhat beside the point given the state of this article. (but I guess we all just had some fun correcting each other and I have to admit that I have learned something with Mels etymological dissertation on the origin of the word "metalled roads")
Moumine 23:46, 3 May 2005 (UTC)
The opening paragraph states that Kinnaur is divided into three administrative areas - Pooh, Kalpa, and Nichar. However, further down, there are still references to Upper, Middle, and Lower Kinnaur. This could possibly confuse the reader. Should we change all Upper, Middle, and Lower Kinnaurs to Poohs, Kalpas, and Nichars, or should we place a small "translation" beside Pooh, Kalpa, and Nichar? - JM Bell ° 09:57, 4 May 2005 (UTC)
Greetings all.
I came to this article from the Community Portal, I'm a roaming copyeditor and I hopefully have made some decent contributions to the article. I removed the copyediting tag and am removing this article from the listing of articles needing copyediting, so I hope that is ok with everyone. If you feel the article still needs attention, let me know and I will try to help. Best regards, EvilPhoenix 05:55, May 18, 2005 (UTC)
Why did you remove Tourists can visit the towns of Pooh, Reckong Peo Kalpa and Sangla, where they can see orchards of fruits and the exquisite designs of the local temples.
Anyway, I will be adding more content on top of that.
Tan 20:06, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Aside from the poor English, it lacks much genuine content, except for the value judgement about the exquisiteness of the temples. Mel Etitis ( Μελ Ετητης) 12:34, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
Where is your "improvements"? Show me then. If I really did, I apologise.
Then, try to improve it if you can (I"ll do my part as well)
Tan 21:13, 22 May 2005 (UTC)
kinnaur apples are one of the richest quality apples available in india. It is widely popular for its sweetness,crunchiness and juiciness. Kinnaur apples are highly popular among apple traders due to its high demand and finest quality .kinnaur apples are regarded as king of fruit by Economic Times in the year 2013. kinnaur apples are hardly available for sale but it can be available on kinnaurappletraders.com — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kinnaurappletraders ( talk • contribs) 06:52, 17 October 2017 (UTC)
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