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An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
According to kinism.net (note that the website is currently unavailable as of May 28, 2018 @ 7:02 AM UTC, an archived version of the page can be viewed at https://web.archive.org/web/20080510150709/http://www.kinism.net/index.php/weblog/beliefs/):
"We further recognize the value, uniqueness, and preciousness of all the Families of Man to God, and their equal theoretical participation in the salvation offered by God through election."
This ideology does not claim that the white race is in any way superior to other races. It advocates for a degree of segregation between all races and is strongly against miscegenation. Thus, Kinism would be better classified as a "racial realist" ideology than a "White supremacist" ideology.
NeutralityWatchman ( talk) 07:05, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
It is actually a sign of extreme ignorance to label Creativity, and especiall Wotansvolk, as other "white supremacist Christian sects", like this article does. They are not christian by the broadest of definitions, whereas kinism, even though I personally strongly disagree, could be seen under that label. 84.61.176.122 ( talk) 22:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
In reassessing the representation of Kinism and its alleged association with Christian Reconstructionism, it is crucial to address significant inaccuracies and avoid misrepresentations. Firstly, the current article incorrectly associates Kinism with the Christian Reconstructionism movement by stating that 'Southern heritage' separatists form part of this movement. This is misleading as Kinism is widely regarded as heretical within Reformed Christianity and is explicitly rejected by mainstream Christian Reconstructionists.
Furthermore, the article suggests that the works of Rousas John Rushdoony play a large role in the ideology of many kinists. While it is true that kinists may reference Rushdoony, they often misapply his views. To provide clarity, Mark Rushdoony, R.J. Rushdoony's son, has explicitly stated regarding his father's views on interracial marriage: 'I once heard him specifically say regarding inter-racial marriages that we cannot forbid what the Bible does not. I was not involved in most of the marriages he performed, but I know he did perform at least one inter-racial (black/white) marriage, that of the son of a friend. As that last fact would certainly show, he was not a Kinist.'
This firsthand account emphasizes that Rushdoony's theological focus was on religious and cultural compatibility, not racial segregation. Therefore, a more accurate representation might state: 'While the works of Rousas John Rushdoony are referenced by many kinists, their interpretations frequently misapply his theological perspectives, which emphasize the unity of faith over racial distinctions.'
These revisions are proposed to ensure the article provides a balanced and accurate portrayal of the relationship between Christian Reconstructionism and Kinism, as well as the proper context for understanding Rushdoony's works. Misrepresentations of his stance as racially motivated should be corrected by incorporating detailed interpretations that highlight his theological basis, advocating for a more nuanced understanding in the encyclopedia Desire Mercy ( talk) 06:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
There's a discrepancy in the article on Kinism that suggests it is part of Christian Reconstructionism. This contradicts the source by Kathryn Joyce in 'Quiverfull', which states Kinists 'splintered off from' Christian Reconstructionism. The difference is crucial: Kinism is not a current faction within Christian Reconstructionism but a separate movement that emerged from it.
I propose revising the introduction to accurately reflect Joyce's wording:
'Kinism is a movement of anti-immigrant, "Southern heritage" separatists who splintered off from Christian Reconstructionism...'
This change aligns with the source and corrects the narrative. For additional context, see my earlier comments on the talk page regarding related misinterpretations. Desire Mercy ( talk) 06:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
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An RfC: Which descriptor, if any, can be added in front of Southern Poverty Law Center when referenced in other articles? has been posted at the Southern Poverty Law Center talk page. Your participation is welcomed. – MrX 16:53, 22 September 2012 (UTC)
According to kinism.net (note that the website is currently unavailable as of May 28, 2018 @ 7:02 AM UTC, an archived version of the page can be viewed at https://web.archive.org/web/20080510150709/http://www.kinism.net/index.php/weblog/beliefs/):
"We further recognize the value, uniqueness, and preciousness of all the Families of Man to God, and their equal theoretical participation in the salvation offered by God through election."
This ideology does not claim that the white race is in any way superior to other races. It advocates for a degree of segregation between all races and is strongly against miscegenation. Thus, Kinism would be better classified as a "racial realist" ideology than a "White supremacist" ideology.
NeutralityWatchman ( talk) 07:05, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
It is actually a sign of extreme ignorance to label Creativity, and especiall Wotansvolk, as other "white supremacist Christian sects", like this article does. They are not christian by the broadest of definitions, whereas kinism, even though I personally strongly disagree, could be seen under that label. 84.61.176.122 ( talk) 22:55, 30 November 2018 (UTC)
In reassessing the representation of Kinism and its alleged association with Christian Reconstructionism, it is crucial to address significant inaccuracies and avoid misrepresentations. Firstly, the current article incorrectly associates Kinism with the Christian Reconstructionism movement by stating that 'Southern heritage' separatists form part of this movement. This is misleading as Kinism is widely regarded as heretical within Reformed Christianity and is explicitly rejected by mainstream Christian Reconstructionists.
Furthermore, the article suggests that the works of Rousas John Rushdoony play a large role in the ideology of many kinists. While it is true that kinists may reference Rushdoony, they often misapply his views. To provide clarity, Mark Rushdoony, R.J. Rushdoony's son, has explicitly stated regarding his father's views on interracial marriage: 'I once heard him specifically say regarding inter-racial marriages that we cannot forbid what the Bible does not. I was not involved in most of the marriages he performed, but I know he did perform at least one inter-racial (black/white) marriage, that of the son of a friend. As that last fact would certainly show, he was not a Kinist.'
This firsthand account emphasizes that Rushdoony's theological focus was on religious and cultural compatibility, not racial segregation. Therefore, a more accurate representation might state: 'While the works of Rousas John Rushdoony are referenced by many kinists, their interpretations frequently misapply his theological perspectives, which emphasize the unity of faith over racial distinctions.'
These revisions are proposed to ensure the article provides a balanced and accurate portrayal of the relationship between Christian Reconstructionism and Kinism, as well as the proper context for understanding Rushdoony's works. Misrepresentations of his stance as racially motivated should be corrected by incorporating detailed interpretations that highlight his theological basis, advocating for a more nuanced understanding in the encyclopedia Desire Mercy ( talk) 06:17, 26 April 2024 (UTC)
There's a discrepancy in the article on Kinism that suggests it is part of Christian Reconstructionism. This contradicts the source by Kathryn Joyce in 'Quiverfull', which states Kinists 'splintered off from' Christian Reconstructionism. The difference is crucial: Kinism is not a current faction within Christian Reconstructionism but a separate movement that emerged from it.
I propose revising the introduction to accurately reflect Joyce's wording:
'Kinism is a movement of anti-immigrant, "Southern heritage" separatists who splintered off from Christian Reconstructionism...'
This change aligns with the source and corrects the narrative. For additional context, see my earlier comments on the talk page regarding related misinterpretations. Desire Mercy ( talk) 06:52, 26 April 2024 (UTC)