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Hi Moni3, I'll be reviewing this article. Will probably take a few days to complete. Sasata ( talk) 03:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, with respect to prose, the article looks very good already. All I can offer are some linking suggestions, nitpicks that may just be personal preference, and of course, MOS wonkery. Will come back for a second read-through later to check out the sources. Sasata ( talk) 15:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
lede
History
Slavery on Fort George Island
Kingsley's house and other structures
Activities and restoration
Editor has implemented suggested changes, and the article easily meets GA criteria.
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Nice work. If this article is FAC-bound, you might want to check out J.P. White. (1993). "American eye: A christmas at the plantation" North American Review 278(6):4-9 (on Jstor) to get another opinion on the plantation and its significance. For example, he writes "Our guide failed to mention that the importation of slaves was outlawed in the United States in 1808. Kingley's Florida, however, was then under Spanish rule and he helped to bootleg slaves into northern States through Florida waters." (p.5) This "bootlegging" aspect doesn't seem to be mentioned as a counterbalance to the "gentle slaveowner" persona depicted, although admittedly it's probably beyond the scope of this article.
Other books that may have some useful info include
Parkwells, I asked to discuss this on the talk page so the article didn't suffer with rapid reversions. Yet you make changes anyway without any discussion. I don't know what familiarity you have with the topic or sources. Your edits appear to be misguided cosmetic changes.
I absolutely disagree with cutting paragraphs apart. What constitutes "overlong"? There is no logic to this. It simplifies the writing and lowers the expectations of the reader. The writing was not obtuse or confusing before the paragraphs were split. Readers can and should be able to handle 10-sentence paragraphs.
Kingsley published an anonymous defense of slavery....what does this even mean?
For what reason is Susan and Madelaine L'Engle essential to the understanding of Kingsley Plantation? Why was this removed from the Notes section?
Communicating about what you are trying to accomplish and working with other editors is essential in a collaborative project. I wish you would do it. -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The discussion of Anna's familiarity with polygamy from Africa would be more appropriate with the discussion of family, not the description of the buildings.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The historic Mocama chiefdom had the territory from the mouth of the St. Johns River north to St. Simons Island at the time of Spanish colonization. While scholars earlier had included them among the Timucua peoples, in the last 25 years, they have come to define them as a distinct and separate culture, as you can see cited in the articles on Mocama, Jacksonville, etc. Source: 2009 article about archeological work at Timucuan Ecological and Historic Preserve, citing a team from North Florida University and Jerald Malinich, a specialist on the Timucua. It would be more correct to say this was Mocama territory. They did speak a Timucua dialect called Mocama.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
"controlled by and resistant to the issues of race and slavery" - this part of the lead is not sourced and it seems an opinion, POV or OPED. One could argue they evaded issues of race because Kingsley did what he wanted and made maximum space for his family within the law. Slavery existed, but it's not clear that the family was controlled by it. Also, it's not supposed to be our opinion or research, but the product of other sources.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
"Freed slaves and several private owners lived on the plantation...until 1955" The Freedman's Bureau managed the plantation for a brief time after the Civil War. Freed slaves then lived on it, and likely continued to live and work on it as laborers under private owners. The plantation was quickly sold and moved back to private ownership. But by the later 19th c., African Americans in the South would no longer be referred to as freed slaves. It sounds odd to encompass so much time in a sentence starting with "freed slaves" and ending in 1955, without giving sense of transitions.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
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Hi Moni3, I'll be reviewing this article. Will probably take a few days to complete. Sasata ( talk) 03:11, 7 September 2009 (UTC)
Ok, with respect to prose, the article looks very good already. All I can offer are some linking suggestions, nitpicks that may just be personal preference, and of course, MOS wonkery. Will come back for a second read-through later to check out the sources. Sasata ( talk) 15:26, 8 September 2009 (UTC)
lede
History
Slavery on Fort George Island
Kingsley's house and other structures
Activities and restoration
Editor has implemented suggested changes, and the article easily meets GA criteria.
Sasata (
talk)
05:56, 9 September 2009 (UTC)
Nice work. If this article is FAC-bound, you might want to check out J.P. White. (1993). "American eye: A christmas at the plantation" North American Review 278(6):4-9 (on Jstor) to get another opinion on the plantation and its significance. For example, he writes "Our guide failed to mention that the importation of slaves was outlawed in the United States in 1808. Kingley's Florida, however, was then under Spanish rule and he helped to bootleg slaves into northern States through Florida waters." (p.5) This "bootlegging" aspect doesn't seem to be mentioned as a counterbalance to the "gentle slaveowner" persona depicted, although admittedly it's probably beyond the scope of this article.
Other books that may have some useful info include
Parkwells, I asked to discuss this on the talk page so the article didn't suffer with rapid reversions. Yet you make changes anyway without any discussion. I don't know what familiarity you have with the topic or sources. Your edits appear to be misguided cosmetic changes.
I absolutely disagree with cutting paragraphs apart. What constitutes "overlong"? There is no logic to this. It simplifies the writing and lowers the expectations of the reader. The writing was not obtuse or confusing before the paragraphs were split. Readers can and should be able to handle 10-sentence paragraphs.
Kingsley published an anonymous defense of slavery....what does this even mean?
For what reason is Susan and Madelaine L'Engle essential to the understanding of Kingsley Plantation? Why was this removed from the Notes section?
Communicating about what you are trying to accomplish and working with other editors is essential in a collaborative project. I wish you would do it. -- Moni3 ( talk) 21:54, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The discussion of Anna's familiarity with polygamy from Africa would be more appropriate with the discussion of family, not the description of the buildings.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:13, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
The historic Mocama chiefdom had the territory from the mouth of the St. Johns River north to St. Simons Island at the time of Spanish colonization. While scholars earlier had included them among the Timucua peoples, in the last 25 years, they have come to define them as a distinct and separate culture, as you can see cited in the articles on Mocama, Jacksonville, etc. Source: 2009 article about archeological work at Timucuan Ecological and Historic Preserve, citing a team from North Florida University and Jerald Malinich, a specialist on the Timucua. It would be more correct to say this was Mocama territory. They did speak a Timucua dialect called Mocama.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:18, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
"controlled by and resistant to the issues of race and slavery" - this part of the lead is not sourced and it seems an opinion, POV or OPED. One could argue they evaded issues of race because Kingsley did what he wanted and made maximum space for his family within the law. Slavery existed, but it's not clear that the family was controlled by it. Also, it's not supposed to be our opinion or research, but the product of other sources.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:26, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
"Freed slaves and several private owners lived on the plantation...until 1955" The Freedman's Bureau managed the plantation for a brief time after the Civil War. Freed slaves then lived on it, and likely continued to live and work on it as laborers under private owners. The plantation was quickly sold and moved back to private ownership. But by the later 19th c., African Americans in the South would no longer be referred to as freed slaves. It sounds odd to encompass so much time in a sentence starting with "freed slaves" and ending in 1955, without giving sense of transitions.-- Parkwells ( talk) 22:38, 12 May 2010 (UTC)
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