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We should probably go update all the other articles about the future of N. Korean politics if this is true:
all the other articles are either vague or say its not known yet.
Cs302b ( talk) 01:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
An article by Kim Myong-chol in the Asia Times on Aug 11, 2011 seems to be confirming Kim Jong-eun as heir 115.188.137.84 ( talk) 10:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)gazzaj
According to consistency, popularity and standard hangul romanization, this article should be at "Kim Jong-un". Any objections? Jpatokal ( talk) 03:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
-I agree with you. It would be the same for Kim Il-Sung, 김 일성 (Kim Il-Seong). It important to realize that these transliterations are often chosen by the person to whichever way they want it to be. take for example Syngman Rhee, 이승만 (Ee Seungman, or Lee Seungman)
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Is Kim Jong-un not a follower of juche like Kim Jong-il and Kim Il-sung? Also, does anybody else find "Wikipedians from North Korea" a somewhat ridiculous category since there probably is nobody in this category? The alliance ( talk) 00:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
We need to rework this article so that it focuses on the subject person, rather than the series of reports and rumours. For instance, we say in 3 or 4 different places that he is expected to become leader. This is one idea, with a few supporting reports. Earthlyreason ( talk) 10:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If Kim Jong-chul (Born Sept 1981) and Kim Jong-un (Born Jan 1982 or 83?) have the same birth mother, why is it that you're unsure of Kim Jong-un's birth date? If Kim Jong-chul's birth date is correct, then Kim Jong-un's birth date can't possibly be Jan., 1982, as that would be less than 9 months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.102.19 ( talk) 18:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
The source cited says that his birth is Jan. 8, 1983, as do other sources. This should be listed as his birth date, with a note of the "official" dob somewhere in the article. This is how Kim Jong-il's article deals with his similar birthdate manipulation. 70.12.198.216 ( talk) 05:16, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Classic. -- 98.210.252.185 ( talk) 07:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Needs one. I imagine a lot of people will be checking this page out. Let's give 'em a winner. 76.28.169.130 ( talk) 19:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Some guy just recently went through and vandalised this page. As much as I hate The Dear Leader, Wikipedia should be factual. 99.174.92.174 ( talk) 21:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Errata
Article says "Some analysts believe that upon Kim Il-Sung's death, Jong-un's uncle Chang Sung-taek will act as regent, as he is presently too inexperienced to immediately lead the country."
Should say "Some analysts believe that upon Kim JONG-IL's death, ..." Since it is Kim Jong-Il (not Kim Il-Sung who is already dead) that Kim Jong-un is presumed to replace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webisteme ( talk • contribs) 15:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I know much of the Western Media is reporting that he has been made a "four star general" but this is just a slang term used in the American military, not a Korean rank (or even a US rank the actual rank is simply "General"). I have changed the article to use the correct terminology. Here is a article from state run Chinese media that clarifies his rank ( http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-09/29/c_13535032.htm) as being General (Daejang) a rank above Colonel General and below Vice Marshal. LCpl ( talk) 23:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
While it is true that there is no official rank named "four star general" in any military I am aware of, I would not consider the phrase "four star general" to be "slang". The reason terms such as "four star general" and "five star general" are used, is because different nations have different names for the various officer rankings. It is true that in the United State a "four star general" is simply titled General, and that a "five star general" is General of the Army. However, in the British Army, the "five star general" ranking is titled Field Marshal, and in China a "five star general" is 一级上将, while a "four star general" is 上将. The rank of General of the Army was created by the United States during World War II, because the equivalent rank Field Marshal existed in the British army. When working with the British army, the United States wanted to make clear that a United States General of the Army was superior in rank to British Generals and equivalent in ranking to a Field Marshal. When two nations work together, an officer with a "five star" rank is superior to an officer with a "four star" rank, even when the officers are from different nations. Therefore, the term "four star general" is typically used to clearly convey the ranking of an officer in a way that is internationally understood. 128.143.100.114 ( talk) 19:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anybody please tell me why there is ancestry tree here? There is no such tree in the article about George Bush, for example. Is it supposed to hint that Korean government is monarchic? -- MathFacts ( talk) 01:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
There is one picture i noticed of him thats on every news station of him if you read the CNN articles about him then you know. We should upload that one if we can Spongie555 ( talk) 03:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Is the first photo, when he was 11yo, available for use? If it's PD, it would be nice to have another photo of him, showing him from the only other confirmed visual aspect known. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 08:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Upon reflection, I agree with the recent edit by Rashers that removed the following: "According to some sources, he oversees a cyberwarfare unit that launched denial of service attacks on South Korean and US government websites in 2009. Although his involvement in these attacks cannot be confirmed". That alleation is speculative, and hence probably best omitted from Wikipedia. But it was not original research. It was a direct summary of what was published in the cited Science article. So it reflected what a reliable secondary source said.-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 12:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
This should be added to the page, as it is believed Kim-Jung Eun led the attacks. 222.111.114.110 ( talk) 07:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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The signature seems more than a little dubious considering it doesn't resemble any script and is of unknown origin (no citations). If anyone can correct this, please do so. Lord British ( talk) 17:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
"It has been claimed that he studied computer science privately in Korea."
This sentence is in the lead right now, but it clearly does not belong there. It has a source, but it really doesn't relate to anything else in the article. Does somebody want to suggest a different place to put it, or should it just be removed? Tad Lincoln ( talk) 05:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I have a feeling that this article might be vandalized due to the news that Kim Jong Il has died and that Kim Jong-un will become the leader of North Korea. (In case anyone want a source on the new leader part: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html?mod=fox_australian ) 204.106.255.122 ( talk) 03:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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At the end of the article, Kim Jon Un is described as being "lacking in the phallic department", obvious vandalism.
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Please insert the following into the Infobox:
| image = KIMJONUNN.jpg BenBrown` ( talk) 11:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Another unconfirmed photograph surfaced in 2011 of Kim Jong-un at a party. It was a grainy, profile view released online by a news outlet. (My reasons for adding this are because I can't find the article anymore and I think it shows another important fact about Kim Jong-un he was western educated and has nuclear power.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nvanparys ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
The infobox needs to be updated. Not sure how, since his new position is not yet clear, but he is obviously not still serving under the leadership of Kim Jong-il (unless Jong-il is named "eternal supreme leader" or something). Tad Lincoln ( talk) 14:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
In the article Public holidays in North Korea, Kim Jong-un's birthday is listed as January 8, citing this. I think it deserves consideration. Rockhead126 ( talk) 19:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
The entry states that Kim Jong-un's was likely born 1982 or early 1983, but the reference cited that he was likely born 1983 or early 1984. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enomalas ( talk • contribs) 16:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
According to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-un his birthday was made a national holiday, which is on 8 January. So we *do* know the day at least. Would someone mind updating the English page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.193.181.143 ( talk) 10:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Controversial Birth Date change.
Illyukhina
talk have edited Kim Jong-un Birth Date without providing edit summary AND valid source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kim_Jong-un&action=historysubmit&diff=466856537&oldid=466855321
This article
Kim Jong-un requests in particular:
"Birth date is NOT KNOWN for sure. Please raise birth date issues on discussion page, and consider whether any references you have outweigh those used to date." So, as of now, the article has unverified date of birth.
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I agree with Will Beback, this seems to fall under a fair use exemption, though the size should probably be reduced by about half to mung the commercial useage potential. SaltyBoatr get wet 17:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
That empty soace was bothering me so I got a photo but its semi protected so could somebody put this thing in there?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Redundantstudios ( talk • contribs) 11:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Despite my revision (17:46, 22 December 2011) was modified by User:Maxim (18:31, 22 December 2011), I think it should be appropriate to list Kim Jong-un as the current supreme leader of North Korea. He is officially lauded as Kim Jong-il's successor and has been seen at the head of NK's senior leaders during their homage to KJI's bier. Moreover, KJI article's infobox already indicates KJU as the next supreme leader. If anything should happen depriving KJU of that title, it would be sufficient to modify accordingly. Greetings. -- FedeloKomma ( talk) 12:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
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We should probably go update all the other articles about the future of N. Korean politics if this is true:
all the other articles are either vague or say its not known yet.
Cs302b ( talk) 01:20, 6 November 2010 (UTC)
An article by Kim Myong-chol in the Asia Times on Aug 11, 2011 seems to be confirming Kim Jong-eun as heir 115.188.137.84 ( talk) 10:25, 11 August 2011 (UTC)gazzaj
According to consistency, popularity and standard hangul romanization, this article should be at "Kim Jong-un". Any objections? Jpatokal ( talk) 03:06, 16 January 2009 (UTC)
-I agree with you. It would be the same for Kim Il-Sung, 김 일성 (Kim Il-Seong). It important to realize that these transliterations are often chosen by the person to whichever way they want it to be. take for example Syngman Rhee, 이승만 (Ee Seungman, or Lee Seungman)
Regards, -- 李博杰 |— Talk contribs email guestbook complaints 08:20, 4 June 2009 (UTC)
Is Kim Jong-un not a follower of juche like Kim Jong-il and Kim Il-sung? Also, does anybody else find "Wikipedians from North Korea" a somewhat ridiculous category since there probably is nobody in this category? The alliance ( talk) 00:40, 14 June 2009 (UTC)
We need to rework this article so that it focuses on the subject person, rather than the series of reports and rumours. For instance, we say in 3 or 4 different places that he is expected to become leader. This is one idea, with a few supporting reports. Earthlyreason ( talk) 10:23, 18 July 2009 (UTC)
If Kim Jong-chul (Born Sept 1981) and Kim Jong-un (Born Jan 1982 or 83?) have the same birth mother, why is it that you're unsure of Kim Jong-un's birth date? If Kim Jong-chul's birth date is correct, then Kim Jong-un's birth date can't possibly be Jan., 1982, as that would be less than 9 months. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.57.102.19 ( talk) 18:28, 26 May 2010 (UTC)
The source cited says that his birth is Jan. 8, 1983, as do other sources. This should be listed as his birth date, with a note of the "official" dob somewhere in the article. This is how Kim Jong-il's article deals with his similar birthdate manipulation. 70.12.198.216 ( talk) 05:16, 25 July 2010 (UTC)
Classic. -- 98.210.252.185 ( talk) 07:04, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Needs one. I imagine a lot of people will be checking this page out. Let's give 'em a winner. 76.28.169.130 ( talk) 19:01, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Some guy just recently went through and vandalised this page. As much as I hate The Dear Leader, Wikipedia should be factual. 99.174.92.174 ( talk) 21:17, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
Errata
Article says "Some analysts believe that upon Kim Il-Sung's death, Jong-un's uncle Chang Sung-taek will act as regent, as he is presently too inexperienced to immediately lead the country."
Should say "Some analysts believe that upon Kim JONG-IL's death, ..." Since it is Kim Jong-Il (not Kim Il-Sung who is already dead) that Kim Jong-un is presumed to replace. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Webisteme ( talk • contribs) 15:24, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
I know much of the Western Media is reporting that he has been made a "four star general" but this is just a slang term used in the American military, not a Korean rank (or even a US rank the actual rank is simply "General"). I have changed the article to use the correct terminology. Here is a article from state run Chinese media that clarifies his rank ( http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-09/29/c_13535032.htm) as being General (Daejang) a rank above Colonel General and below Vice Marshal. LCpl ( talk) 23:43, 29 September 2010 (UTC)
While it is true that there is no official rank named "four star general" in any military I am aware of, I would not consider the phrase "four star general" to be "slang". The reason terms such as "four star general" and "five star general" are used, is because different nations have different names for the various officer rankings. It is true that in the United State a "four star general" is simply titled General, and that a "five star general" is General of the Army. However, in the British Army, the "five star general" ranking is titled Field Marshal, and in China a "five star general" is 一级上将, while a "four star general" is 上将. The rank of General of the Army was created by the United States during World War II, because the equivalent rank Field Marshal existed in the British army. When working with the British army, the United States wanted to make clear that a United States General of the Army was superior in rank to British Generals and equivalent in ranking to a Field Marshal. When two nations work together, an officer with a "five star" rank is superior to an officer with a "four star" rank, even when the officers are from different nations. Therefore, the term "four star general" is typically used to clearly convey the ranking of an officer in a way that is internationally understood. 128.143.100.114 ( talk) 19:17, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Can anybody please tell me why there is ancestry tree here? There is no such tree in the article about George Bush, for example. Is it supposed to hint that Korean government is monarchic? -- MathFacts ( talk) 01:15, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
There is one picture i noticed of him thats on every news station of him if you read the CNN articles about him then you know. We should upload that one if we can Spongie555 ( talk) 03:22, 30 September 2010 (UTC)
Is the first photo, when he was 11yo, available for use? If it's PD, it would be nice to have another photo of him, showing him from the only other confirmed visual aspect known. 76.66.200.95 ( talk) 08:16, 11 October 2010 (UTC)
Upon reflection, I agree with the recent edit by Rashers that removed the following: "According to some sources, he oversees a cyberwarfare unit that launched denial of service attacks on South Korean and US government websites in 2009. Although his involvement in these attacks cannot be confirmed". That alleation is speculative, and hence probably best omitted from Wikipedia. But it was not original research. It was a direct summary of what was published in the cited Science article. So it reflected what a reliable secondary source said.-- Gautier lebon ( talk) 12:57, 20 January 2011 (UTC)
This should be added to the page, as it is believed Kim-Jung Eun led the attacks. 222.111.114.110 ( talk) 07:18, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
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The signature seems more than a little dubious considering it doesn't resemble any script and is of unknown origin (no citations). If anyone can correct this, please do so. Lord British ( talk) 17:41, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
"It has been claimed that he studied computer science privately in Korea."
This sentence is in the lead right now, but it clearly does not belong there. It has a source, but it really doesn't relate to anything else in the article. Does somebody want to suggest a different place to put it, or should it just be removed? Tad Lincoln ( talk) 05:41, 15 October 2011 (UTC)
I have a feeling that this article might be vandalized due to the news that Kim Jong Il has died and that Kim Jong-un will become the leader of North Korea. (In case anyone want a source on the new leader part: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204791104577107350219610874.html?mod=fox_australian ) 204.106.255.122 ( talk) 03:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
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At the end of the article, Kim Jon Un is described as being "lacking in the phallic department", obvious vandalism.
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Please insert the following into the Infobox:
| image = KIMJONUNN.jpg BenBrown` ( talk) 11:26, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
Another unconfirmed photograph surfaced in 2011 of Kim Jong-un at a party. It was a grainy, profile view released online by a news outlet. (My reasons for adding this are because I can't find the article anymore and I think it shows another important fact about Kim Jong-un he was western educated and has nuclear power.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nvanparys ( talk • contribs) 01:07, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
The infobox needs to be updated. Not sure how, since his new position is not yet clear, but he is obviously not still serving under the leadership of Kim Jong-il (unless Jong-il is named "eternal supreme leader" or something). Tad Lincoln ( talk) 14:40, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
In the article Public holidays in North Korea, Kim Jong-un's birthday is listed as January 8, citing this. I think it deserves consideration. Rockhead126 ( talk) 19:08, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
The entry states that Kim Jong-un's was likely born 1982 or early 1983, but the reference cited that he was likely born 1983 or early 1984. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Enomalas ( talk • contribs) 16:30, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
According to http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Jong-un his birthday was made a national holiday, which is on 8 January. So we *do* know the day at least. Would someone mind updating the English page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.193.181.143 ( talk) 10:54, 21 December 2011 (UTC)
Controversial Birth Date change.
Illyukhina
talk have edited Kim Jong-un Birth Date without providing edit summary AND valid source.
http://en.wikipedia.org/?title=Kim_Jong-un&action=historysubmit&diff=466856537&oldid=466855321
This article
Kim Jong-un requests in particular:
"Birth date is NOT KNOWN for sure. Please raise birth date issues on discussion page, and consider whether any references you have outweigh those used to date." So, as of now, the article has unverified date of birth.
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16:33, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
I agree with Will Beback, this seems to fall under a fair use exemption, though the size should probably be reduced by about half to mung the commercial useage potential. SaltyBoatr get wet 17:42, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
That empty soace was bothering me so I got a photo but its semi protected so could somebody put this thing in there?
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Redundantstudios ( talk • contribs) 11:14, 24 December 2011 (UTC)
Despite my revision (17:46, 22 December 2011) was modified by User:Maxim (18:31, 22 December 2011), I think it should be appropriate to list Kim Jong-un as the current supreme leader of North Korea. He is officially lauded as Kim Jong-il's successor and has been seen at the head of NK's senior leaders during their homage to KJI's bier. Moreover, KJI article's infobox already indicates KJU as the next supreme leader. If anything should happen depriving KJU of that title, it would be sufficient to modify accordingly. Greetings. -- FedeloKomma ( talk) 12:16, 23 December 2011 (UTC)