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Could someone please mention her anti-gay sermon, which is important and getting a lot of attention. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/kim-burrell-calls-gay-people-%E2%80%98perverted%E2%80%99-days-before-appearance-on-the-ellen-degeneres-show/ar-BBxMdMF http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4079248/Gospel-singer-Kim-Burrell-faces-backlash-calling-homosexuality-sin-sermon-church-founded-Houston.html http://wjla.com/news/entertainment/kim-burrell-under-fire-for-comments-about-gays-and-lesbians
I'd do so myself but someone keeps reverting everything I write on wikipedia except on talk pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PUNk Limited ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
This wikipedia article on Kim Burrell in general needs to be reviewed as it reads as very self-promoting/self-congratulatory as if she is having it written for herself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.247.4.228 ( talk) 22:55, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for coming to the Talk page. I have reverted the language until a WP:CONSENSUS is built to change it. Per WP:UNDUE, and WP:BLP, it could be argued that having a level-2 heading for this material is overkill. See also WP:RECENT. However, the controversy has gotten more press than Burrell usually receives, so I guess we can leave it at Level 2. The source quotes Burrell as saying: "...That perverted homosexual spirit, and the spirit of delusion and confusion, it has deceived many men and women, and it’s caused us pain on the body of Christ. ... You as a man, you open your mouth and take a man’s penis in your face, you are perverted… You are a woman and will shake your face in another woman’s breast, you are perverted". So, I agree with you that she called homosexual people "perverted" more than once. But this is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. We only need to say things once, and articles must be written neutrally. You also quote Burrell as saying: "if you play with it in God's house, in 2017 you'll die from it." This is more problematic. She seems to be referring to the "spirit of sin" and *implying* that this means homosexual sins. She later issued a denial stating that her words were misconstrued. We must be careful not to editorialize. I think it is better to simply give a cite in which the exact language is accurately quoted, and let readers reach their own conclusions about exactly what she meant. I think it throws into question the neutrality of the section to state, without qualification, that Burrell said that gays will die in 2017. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Your OPINION is that it is worse. I provided EXACT quotes of what was said. To claim that is "overselling" is absurd on its face and certainly requires better justification that you have provided. Perhaps you can explain your objections some other way--without accusing me of "behaving badly" or other such silliness. 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 03:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Please also justify your claim that the provided quotes are "certainly not supported by the references." In fact, they come DIRECTLY from the video embedded in the cited Huffington Post article. So it appears that you're just plain wrong about that. 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 03:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
That is absurd. Why do I need editors to agree with me but you don't need anyone to agree with you? You are a consensus of one. My edits are no more "edit warring" than your repeated, unjustified removal of accurately sourced content. Please stop pretending otherwise. We're all special, but you're not more special than anyone else. In any case, you have objected to the phrase "numerous similar statements," which I have now removed and reverted to your preferred "other statements," to accommodate your objection. You have not given any substantive reason for your other reversions (e.g, removing the word "repeatedly" or removing the direct quotes from the sermon), so I have not retained them. If several other editors here agree with you, and none with me, then you will have a WP:CONSENSUS to put it in. :) 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 16:32, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I haven't made a single unjustified revert. In fact, all my edits are justified here on the talk page. It is your revert that was unjustified--why should the word "repeatedly" not be used for something that occurred multiple times for example? Moreover, claiming my talk page is evidence that I'm "edit warring" is ad hominem. The quotes I inserted from the sermon are not only mentioned in the cited sources, but can be heard in the video embedded in the cited Huffington Post article. Furthermore, every in every edit I've made--including the most recent--I have tried to accommodate your objections (e.g., reverting the phrase "numerous similar statements") whereas your response has been blanket revisions that removed relevant and accurately sourced content, accompanied by accusations of edit warring. 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 17:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I've restored the quote and cited a reliable secondary source (the Washington post) so that the embedded video is not the only verification. Shall we consider this settled? 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 20:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I aligned the few "manually" coded cites by switching them to "cite web" templates (Web 2.0). And made the lede more clear, it was worded far too NPOV, making it seem like "much ado about nothing", and the situation is certainly not "no harm, no foul". Also, since (most/average) readers may not get past the lede, such readers are otherwise left with a false impression. WurmWoode T 22:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
The biography is fluffy, bloated, and very unencyclopedic (e.g., "Unfortunately, this contract yielded only a guest appearance"). The story about Burrell praying over a woman who "miraculously" started breathing is especially silly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 02:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
And "often said to be this generation's Ella Fitzgerald?" What a joke. How "often" is that actually said? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 05:04, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The first sentence of the bio--about how she performed at 1 year old and had double pneumonia--also sounds suspiciously like some self-aggrandizing nonsense. The only provided source is an obscure blog called "gospelflava." 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 12:41, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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In the section about the controversy over her homophobic rant it says "Ellen DeGeneris, a lesbian, banned her". This is offensive. Ellen's sexuality has NOTHING to do with her stance on tolerance and equality or her belief that attacking people for being different to you is not ok.She would take this action regardless of her own sexual orientation just like she would ban someone for attacking black people or disabled people. Nor is her sexuality anything to do with her show so there's absolutely no excuse for "labelling" her so rudely. The correct way to describe Ellen is "talk show host" or "winner of LGBTQ humanitarian awards" or "noted equality activist" or leave out a descriptive word because it's not needed. By stating "a lesbian" you are diminishing her as a person (and all LBGTQ people by extension) and making it all about Ellen being gay instead of about this singer being a bigot. I know it's all the rage these days to be racists & bigots and treat people who are not straight white men like dirt but I would hope Wikipedia was above all that. Please change this. Thank you 122.151.220.27 ( talk) 23:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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Please add into the LGBT comments section that the CW has dropped her television talk show from it's lineup. 2602:306:CE95:57B0:B5AB:1888:58DA:CAC0 ( talk) 04:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Isn't gluttony also a sin according to the same bible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.25.59 ( talk) 04:16, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
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Her birthday has happened but her age is still last years birthday. Please fix from 49-50. 2600:6C46:6800:21F8:5C56:78EB:CFF5:BA5A ( talk) 01:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
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Could someone please mention her anti-gay sermon, which is important and getting a lot of attention. http://www.msn.com/en-ca/news/other/kim-burrell-calls-gay-people-%E2%80%98perverted%E2%80%99-days-before-appearance-on-the-ellen-degeneres-show/ar-BBxMdMF http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-4079248/Gospel-singer-Kim-Burrell-faces-backlash-calling-homosexuality-sin-sermon-church-founded-Houston.html http://wjla.com/news/entertainment/kim-burrell-under-fire-for-comments-about-gays-and-lesbians
I'd do so myself but someone keeps reverting everything I write on wikipedia except on talk pages. — Preceding unsigned comment added by PUNk Limited ( talk • contribs) 16:27, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
This wikipedia article on Kim Burrell in general needs to be reviewed as it reads as very self-promoting/self-congratulatory as if she is having it written for herself. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.247.4.228 ( talk) 22:55, 1 January 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for coming to the Talk page. I have reverted the language until a WP:CONSENSUS is built to change it. Per WP:UNDUE, and WP:BLP, it could be argued that having a level-2 heading for this material is overkill. See also WP:RECENT. However, the controversy has gotten more press than Burrell usually receives, so I guess we can leave it at Level 2. The source quotes Burrell as saying: "...That perverted homosexual spirit, and the spirit of delusion and confusion, it has deceived many men and women, and it’s caused us pain on the body of Christ. ... You as a man, you open your mouth and take a man’s penis in your face, you are perverted… You are a woman and will shake your face in another woman’s breast, you are perverted". So, I agree with you that she called homosexual people "perverted" more than once. But this is an encyclopedia, not a tabloid. We only need to say things once, and articles must be written neutrally. You also quote Burrell as saying: "if you play with it in God's house, in 2017 you'll die from it." This is more problematic. She seems to be referring to the "spirit of sin" and *implying* that this means homosexual sins. She later issued a denial stating that her words were misconstrued. We must be careful not to editorialize. I think it is better to simply give a cite in which the exact language is accurately quoted, and let readers reach their own conclusions about exactly what she meant. I think it throws into question the neutrality of the section to state, without qualification, that Burrell said that gays will die in 2017. -- Ssilvers ( talk) 22:15, 18 January 2017 (UTC)
Your OPINION is that it is worse. I provided EXACT quotes of what was said. To claim that is "overselling" is absurd on its face and certainly requires better justification that you have provided. Perhaps you can explain your objections some other way--without accusing me of "behaving badly" or other such silliness. 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 03:07, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
Please also justify your claim that the provided quotes are "certainly not supported by the references." In fact, they come DIRECTLY from the video embedded in the cited Huffington Post article. So it appears that you're just plain wrong about that. 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 03:12, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
That is absurd. Why do I need editors to agree with me but you don't need anyone to agree with you? You are a consensus of one. My edits are no more "edit warring" than your repeated, unjustified removal of accurately sourced content. Please stop pretending otherwise. We're all special, but you're not more special than anyone else. In any case, you have objected to the phrase "numerous similar statements," which I have now removed and reverted to your preferred "other statements," to accommodate your objection. You have not given any substantive reason for your other reversions (e.g, removing the word "repeatedly" or removing the direct quotes from the sermon), so I have not retained them. If several other editors here agree with you, and none with me, then you will have a WP:CONSENSUS to put it in. :) 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 16:32, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I haven't made a single unjustified revert. In fact, all my edits are justified here on the talk page. It is your revert that was unjustified--why should the word "repeatedly" not be used for something that occurred multiple times for example? Moreover, claiming my talk page is evidence that I'm "edit warring" is ad hominem. The quotes I inserted from the sermon are not only mentioned in the cited sources, but can be heard in the video embedded in the cited Huffington Post article. Furthermore, every in every edit I've made--including the most recent--I have tried to accommodate your objections (e.g., reverting the phrase "numerous similar statements") whereas your response has been blanket revisions that removed relevant and accurately sourced content, accompanied by accusations of edit warring. 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 17:21, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I've restored the quote and cited a reliable secondary source (the Washington post) so that the embedded video is not the only verification. Shall we consider this settled? 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 20:43, 19 January 2017 (UTC)
I aligned the few "manually" coded cites by switching them to "cite web" templates (Web 2.0). And made the lede more clear, it was worded far too NPOV, making it seem like "much ado about nothing", and the situation is certainly not "no harm, no foul". Also, since (most/average) readers may not get past the lede, such readers are otherwise left with a false impression. WurmWoode T 22:22, 2 February 2017 (UTC)
The biography is fluffy, bloated, and very unencyclopedic (e.g., "Unfortunately, this contract yielded only a guest appearance"). The story about Burrell praying over a woman who "miraculously" started breathing is especially silly. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 02:50, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
And "often said to be this generation's Ella Fitzgerald?" What a joke. How "often" is that actually said? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 05:04, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
The first sentence of the bio--about how she performed at 1 year old and had double pneumonia--also sounds suspiciously like some self-aggrandizing nonsense. The only provided source is an obscure blog called "gospelflava." 23.242.207.48 ( talk) 12:41, 5 January 2017 (UTC)
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In the section about the controversy over her homophobic rant it says "Ellen DeGeneris, a lesbian, banned her". This is offensive. Ellen's sexuality has NOTHING to do with her stance on tolerance and equality or her belief that attacking people for being different to you is not ok.She would take this action regardless of her own sexual orientation just like she would ban someone for attacking black people or disabled people. Nor is her sexuality anything to do with her show so there's absolutely no excuse for "labelling" her so rudely. The correct way to describe Ellen is "talk show host" or "winner of LGBTQ humanitarian awards" or "noted equality activist" or leave out a descriptive word because it's not needed. By stating "a lesbian" you are diminishing her as a person (and all LBGTQ people by extension) and making it all about Ellen being gay instead of about this singer being a bigot. I know it's all the rage these days to be racists & bigots and treat people who are not straight white men like dirt but I would hope Wikipedia was above all that. Please change this. Thank you 122.151.220.27 ( talk) 23:54, 4 January 2017 (UTC)
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Please add into the LGBT comments section that the CW has dropped her television talk show from it's lineup. 2602:306:CE95:57B0:B5AB:1888:58DA:CAC0 ( talk) 04:15, 6 January 2017 (UTC)
Isn't gluttony also a sin according to the same bible? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.216.25.59 ( talk) 04:16, 15 March 2017 (UTC)
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Her birthday has happened but her age is still last years birthday. Please fix from 49-50. 2600:6C46:6800:21F8:5C56:78EB:CFF5:BA5A ( talk) 01:22, 11 September 2022 (UTC)