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I noticed in this article: [1] that they mention one of Beazley's mistakes was calling Michelle Leslie Michelle Lee; correct me if I'm wrong but isn't she known by this name particularly in Asia?
The section "2006 Leadership speculation" is out of order per WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball. Jpe ob 02:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh the ironies of Wikipedia... -- RaiderAspect 02:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there anywhere on wikipedia that defines what a "full spill" means? It would be handy to link to from the 2006 leadership challenge section. I understand that it means that it's not just a leadership vote, but the entire front bench. Does it affect the ALP members of the Senate too? -- Stewartjohnson 12:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The info box does not state that he was also opposition leader from 1996 to 2001. I tried to fix it so that it look like:
Leader of the Opposition In office 1996 – 2001 2005 – 2006
This should be fixed. But I don’t know how. regards -- Merbabu 00:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be worth mentioning the "Lazarus" comment and the history behind it.
About John Howard: After losing the Liberal leadership in 1989 he had written off his chances as akin to "Lazarus with a triple bypass", but he is now likely to be Australia's second-longest-serving prime minister after Robert Menzies. - [2] (see also [3])
Dec '06, after Beazley lost the Labor leadership: Asked about his political future, Mr Beazley said: "For me to do anything further in the Australian Labor Party I would say is Lazarus with a quadruple bypass." - [4]
Does Beazley's reference to Howard mean that he's really not giving up after all, and hopes to come back again like Howard did? Of course, speculation like that definately doesn't belong in a wikipedia article, but I think it would be worth mentioning the quote. DonkeyKong the mathematician (in training) 06:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of the discussion on this page is three years old. Maybe we should archive it? Draffa 22:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22455197-11949,00.html
Apparently, when he was defence minister, he had Australia spy on the US Military and extract code from their fighters so that Australia's own fighters could be enhanced. I think this is worth a mention. CeeWhy2 13:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I've spoken to the creator of this image in regards to usage on wikipedia, in particular the license. Their response was:
I have replied with:
Can someone confirm if this is correct? Thanks! Timeshift 02:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, Just read through the article (good stuff) and noticed this
Conservative political commentator, Piers Akerman, suggested in the Sunday Telegraph on October 11 2006, that his poor performance in leadership polls was to do with alleged inconsistencies in policy and judgement, particularly with regard to the Iraq war.
The main problem with that is... Sunday wasn't on October 11 last year. I had a look through the archives briefly
[5] but couldn't find the right article. Anyway, just something I picked up, someone else might like to find the right source before the blogs expire (I think his articles & blogs stay online for twelve months or so before being removed.)
GreenGopher
23:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
However, polls concerning preferred leader still positioned Kim Beazley well below John Howard. Conservative political commentator, Piers Akerman, suggested in the Sunday Telegraph on 11 October 2006, that Beazley's poor performance in leadership polls was to do with alleged inconsistencies in policy and judgement, particularly with regard to the Iraq war.
And, yes, 11 October 2006 was a Wednesday. However, when Sunday-newspaper content is posted on a website, it often carries the date of the writer's filing the story, or when it may have been updated. For instance in quoting a recent article published in the Perth Sunday Times, 15 Nov, I added for the convenience of distant readers a short-term URL which carries not only a different date--(Sat) 14 Nov--but also a different heading to the printed story (Johnston's $12m debt). Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 08:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Can somebody please fix the vandalism, many uncouth references to anal warts had been added by some idiot--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.229.140 ( talk) 12:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Just received this in my ANU staff mail - "Professor Kim Beazley has been appointed Chancellor of The Australian National University by the University Council today"... "Professor Beazley will take up his appointment on January 1, 2009." I'll update the article when it's published in a reliable source. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 05:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm rather uncomfortable with the latest edit by Bjenks. A seat with a margin of 10+% is not normally considered vulnerable, particularly for a party in opposition. Beazley may have expressed concern about losing his seat, but it's not obvious how sincere (or if sincere, how rational) that concern was. It's common for MPs to say that sort of thing - they want it known that they plan to work hard, that they're not taking their electorate for granted, etc. A news outlet - particularly an around the clock one like the ABC website - may echo this sort of spin, but I think an encyclopedic entry should be more discerning.
Additionally, the reference provided doesn't mention anything about his foreign policy positions or his place of residence. And by highlighting the name of the Greens candidate, it's implying that she was his main opponent. Digestible ( talk) 01:13, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Quite a lot here about politics, but not very much about policy at all. What about his infrastucture audit? And the NBN? There was a Labor party policy document released early in the run up to the election, before he was replaced. Also, I think that the cheap politics documented here takes the Labor party at their own description: I think a more balanced description, including policies, would have more long-term interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.162.148 ( talk) 23:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 01:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)
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I noticed in this article: [1] that they mention one of Beazley's mistakes was calling Michelle Leslie Michelle Lee; correct me if I'm wrong but isn't she known by this name particularly in Asia?
The section "2006 Leadership speculation" is out of order per WP:NOT#Wikipedia_is_not_a_crystal_ball. Jpe ob 02:11, 30 November 2006 (UTC)
Oh the ironies of Wikipedia... -- RaiderAspect 02:24, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
Is there anywhere on wikipedia that defines what a "full spill" means? It would be handy to link to from the 2006 leadership challenge section. I understand that it means that it's not just a leadership vote, but the entire front bench. Does it affect the ALP members of the Senate too? -- Stewartjohnson 12:19, 1 December 2006 (UTC)
The info box does not state that he was also opposition leader from 1996 to 2001. I tried to fix it so that it look like:
Leader of the Opposition In office 1996 – 2001 2005 – 2006
This should be fixed. But I don’t know how. regards -- Merbabu 00:37, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
I think it would be worth mentioning the "Lazarus" comment and the history behind it.
About John Howard: After losing the Liberal leadership in 1989 he had written off his chances as akin to "Lazarus with a triple bypass", but he is now likely to be Australia's second-longest-serving prime minister after Robert Menzies. - [2] (see also [3])
Dec '06, after Beazley lost the Labor leadership: Asked about his political future, Mr Beazley said: "For me to do anything further in the Australian Labor Party I would say is Lazarus with a quadruple bypass." - [4]
Does Beazley's reference to Howard mean that he's really not giving up after all, and hopes to come back again like Howard did? Of course, speculation like that definately doesn't belong in a wikipedia article, but I think it would be worth mentioning the quote. DonkeyKong the mathematician (in training) 06:34, 4 December 2006 (UTC)
Some of the discussion on this page is three years old. Maybe we should archive it? Draffa 22:22, 5 December 2006 (UTC)
http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/story/0,25197,22455197-11949,00.html
Apparently, when he was defence minister, he had Australia spy on the US Military and extract code from their fighters so that Australia's own fighters could be enhanced. I think this is worth a mention. CeeWhy2 13:12, 21 September 2007 (UTC)
I've spoken to the creator of this image in regards to usage on wikipedia, in particular the license. Their response was:
I have replied with:
Can someone confirm if this is correct? Thanks! Timeshift 02:05, 2 October 2007 (UTC)
Hi all, Just read through the article (good stuff) and noticed this
Conservative political commentator, Piers Akerman, suggested in the Sunday Telegraph on October 11 2006, that his poor performance in leadership polls was to do with alleged inconsistencies in policy and judgement, particularly with regard to the Iraq war.
The main problem with that is... Sunday wasn't on October 11 last year. I had a look through the archives briefly
[5] but couldn't find the right article. Anyway, just something I picked up, someone else might like to find the right source before the blogs expire (I think his articles & blogs stay online for twelve months or so before being removed.)
GreenGopher
23:05, 5 October 2007 (UTC)
However, polls concerning preferred leader still positioned Kim Beazley well below John Howard. Conservative political commentator, Piers Akerman, suggested in the Sunday Telegraph on 11 October 2006, that Beazley's poor performance in leadership polls was to do with alleged inconsistencies in policy and judgement, particularly with regard to the Iraq war.
And, yes, 11 October 2006 was a Wednesday. However, when Sunday-newspaper content is posted on a website, it often carries the date of the writer's filing the story, or when it may have been updated. For instance in quoting a recent article published in the Perth Sunday Times, 15 Nov, I added for the convenience of distant readers a short-term URL which carries not only a different date--(Sat) 14 Nov--but also a different heading to the printed story (Johnston's $12m debt). Cheers Bjenks ( talk) 08:28, 19 November 2009 (UTC)
Can somebody please fix the vandalism, many uncouth references to anal warts had been added by some idiot--- —Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.233.229.140 ( talk) 12:54, 24 May 2008 (UTC)
Just received this in my ANU staff mail - "Professor Kim Beazley has been appointed Chancellor of The Australian National University by the University Council today"... "Professor Beazley will take up his appointment on January 1, 2009." I'll update the article when it's published in a reliable source. Mostlyharmless ( talk) 05:27, 25 July 2008 (UTC)
I'm rather uncomfortable with the latest edit by Bjenks. A seat with a margin of 10+% is not normally considered vulnerable, particularly for a party in opposition. Beazley may have expressed concern about losing his seat, but it's not obvious how sincere (or if sincere, how rational) that concern was. It's common for MPs to say that sort of thing - they want it known that they plan to work hard, that they're not taking their electorate for granted, etc. A news outlet - particularly an around the clock one like the ABC website - may echo this sort of spin, but I think an encyclopedic entry should be more discerning.
Additionally, the reference provided doesn't mention anything about his foreign policy positions or his place of residence. And by highlighting the name of the Greens candidate, it's implying that she was his main opponent. Digestible ( talk) 01:13, 13 November 2009 (UTC)
Quite a lot here about politics, but not very much about policy at all. What about his infrastucture audit? And the NBN? There was a Labor party policy document released early in the run up to the election, before he was replaced. Also, I think that the cheap politics documented here takes the Labor party at their own description: I think a more balanced description, including policies, would have more long-term interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.206.162.148 ( talk) 23:53, 22 October 2013 (UTC)
I have commenced a tidy-up of the Bibliography section using cite templates. Capitalization and punctuation follow standard cataloguing rules in AACR2 and RDA, as much as Wikipedia templates allow it. ISBNs and other persistent identifiers, where available, are commented out, but still available for reference. This is a work in progress; feel free to continue. Sunwin1960 ( talk) 01:36, 13 November 2020 (UTC)