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Giving this article a look, I'm concerned that it might not be completely NPOV, on both sides of the issue. I think it could do with a balanced look at some of the controversies around these theories, rather than a link to an external site in which a guy tries to debunk Grossman in what I consider to be a very unprofessional-looking manner. What are the issues and what are the responses on both sides? 23skidoo 21:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed this section from the Killology entry:
Common subliminal message In 2005 an organisation by the name of Platnim 1000 (incorrect spelling intentional) began a research investigation to descover how to induce the mental conditions that occur in a serial killer when attempting to murder their victims. Their research led them to develop a subliminal message that supposidly increased the chance of a person commiting a murder. The sublinal message in question has been given the name "KILL" as a joke by its inventors. "KILL" was never proven to work, although there have been several incidents where "KILL" was supposibly exposed to a large group of people without there own knowledge or consent. The most famous being in a high school in liverpool, sydney. "KILL" is a very basic messege that consists of just 8 lines and can be written in any direction, i.e right to left, up and down, left to right...
The subliminal message of "kill" has a tangential (at best) relationship to Killology and has little relevance to an encyclopedic article about Killology.
If anyone disagrees, feel free to replace the section (as long as you fix the spelling mistakes), and reply here why you think it is relevant to what has already been stated within the article. Aubreygrossman 15:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, I am a senior in Psychology at Clemson University and for my capstone course we are editing articles on psych related topics. I chose Killology because I read Lt.Col Dave Grossman's book and was fascinated with the content. I am currently re reading it and also reading SLA Marshall's book Men Against Fire. I will keep everyone updated on changes I intend to make. At this moment I am outlining how I want the article to be structured and what content is necessary and superflous. If anyone wants to help or to get into contact with me please get a hold of me via my user page.
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Radley Balko is a reporter for the Washington Post who specializes in criminal justice, including police misconduct including unjustified killing of innocent civilians. Here's an article that he wrote about Killology:
Here's one of his sources:
Killology is controversial among police. The New York Times and other major publications have also had stories on how killology-style police training encourages the killing of innocent people, including civilians who were shot in the back. Following WP:NPOV this entry should discuss the criticism. -- Nbauman ( talk) 23:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
This article is absolute shit, and should be rewritten entirely or deleted. Temerarius ( talk) 06:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
The article is incoherent nonsense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:BDA0:CF:34C8:AF14:7D45:D20D ( talk) 20:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Just stumbled across this non-NPOV garbage article, which focuses almost exclusively on the Content of a book which has its own page. This article should be deleted or reduced to stating that it is a term referring to a field of study made up by David Allen Grossman. -A — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:D81:2C60:505E:C601:17DF:D3C5 ( talk) 01:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
this is stated in the wiki article for the man in question as well, but everything I've googled keeps tracing back to the article cited in the killology wiki page, which doesn't explain where the claim came from. Does anyone know where I can find more info on his military background?
this is a link to a podcast episode all about this topic; the podcast features a journalist analysis of many topics. at the least, some of the sources cited in the podcast could be of use for one's research for this page. https://open.spotify.com/episode/0xt9iFLH9vx5GimA8y9FPl?si=458934571b74433c
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Giving this article a look, I'm concerned that it might not be completely NPOV, on both sides of the issue. I think it could do with a balanced look at some of the controversies around these theories, rather than a link to an external site in which a guy tries to debunk Grossman in what I consider to be a very unprofessional-looking manner. What are the issues and what are the responses on both sides? 23skidoo 21:23, 12 June 2006 (UTC)
I removed this section from the Killology entry:
Common subliminal message In 2005 an organisation by the name of Platnim 1000 (incorrect spelling intentional) began a research investigation to descover how to induce the mental conditions that occur in a serial killer when attempting to murder their victims. Their research led them to develop a subliminal message that supposidly increased the chance of a person commiting a murder. The sublinal message in question has been given the name "KILL" as a joke by its inventors. "KILL" was never proven to work, although there have been several incidents where "KILL" was supposibly exposed to a large group of people without there own knowledge or consent. The most famous being in a high school in liverpool, sydney. "KILL" is a very basic messege that consists of just 8 lines and can be written in any direction, i.e right to left, up and down, left to right...
The subliminal message of "kill" has a tangential (at best) relationship to Killology and has little relevance to an encyclopedic article about Killology.
If anyone disagrees, feel free to replace the section (as long as you fix the spelling mistakes), and reply here why you think it is relevant to what has already been stated within the article. Aubreygrossman 15:03, 23 April 2007 (UTC)
Ladies and gentlemen, I am a senior in Psychology at Clemson University and for my capstone course we are editing articles on psych related topics. I chose Killology because I read Lt.Col Dave Grossman's book and was fascinated with the content. I am currently re reading it and also reading SLA Marshall's book Men Against Fire. I will keep everyone updated on changes I intend to make. At this moment I am outlining how I want the article to be structured and what content is necessary and superflous. If anyone wants to help or to get into contact with me please get a hold of me via my user page.
Ddmassett ( talk) 14:47, 21 February 2013 (UTC)
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Radley Balko is a reporter for the Washington Post who specializes in criminal justice, including police misconduct including unjustified killing of innocent civilians. Here's an article that he wrote about Killology:
Here's one of his sources:
Killology is controversial among police. The New York Times and other major publications have also had stories on how killology-style police training encourages the killing of innocent people, including civilians who were shot in the back. Following WP:NPOV this entry should discuss the criticism. -- Nbauman ( talk) 23:52, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
This article is absolute shit, and should be rewritten entirely or deleted. Temerarius ( talk) 06:28, 8 December 2019 (UTC)
The article is incoherent nonsense — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2607:FEA8:BDA0:CF:34C8:AF14:7D45:D20D ( talk) 20:25, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
Just stumbled across this non-NPOV garbage article, which focuses almost exclusively on the Content of a book which has its own page. This article should be deleted or reduced to stating that it is a term referring to a field of study made up by David Allen Grossman. -A — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:908:D81:2C60:505E:C601:17DF:D3C5 ( talk) 01:07, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
this is stated in the wiki article for the man in question as well, but everything I've googled keeps tracing back to the article cited in the killology wiki page, which doesn't explain where the claim came from. Does anyone know where I can find more info on his military background?
this is a link to a podcast episode all about this topic; the podcast features a journalist analysis of many topics. at the least, some of the sources cited in the podcast could be of use for one's research for this page. https://open.spotify.com/episode/0xt9iFLH9vx5GimA8y9FPl?si=458934571b74433c