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Is there a reason why we have this article and one titled ISIL beheading incidents? It seems there is overlap between the two article. Thoughts? Mbcap ( talk) 16:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 24 April 2015. The result of the move review was Closure endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: All four moved per consensus below. Convincing arguments were made regarding "America" being used in titles in spite of America's article being at United States, etc. A superficial vote-counting does not lead to a huge majority, but policy is pretty strongly in favor behind this one. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 02:44, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
– so as to match titles of articles such as: Destruction of cultural heritage by ISIL, Human rights in ISIL controlled territory, ISIL beheading incidents, LGBT rights in ISIL controlled territory, Military of ISIL, Persecution of Assyrians by ISIL, Persecution of Yazidis by ISIL, Portrayal of ISIL in American media and United Kingdom and ISIL. The title of the article in the namespace Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant has been debated on numerous occasions at Talk:ISIL with various arguments being placed for and against moves to such titles as "Islamic State (with disambiguation)" and "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria". Regular reference to the group by the names ISIL, ISIS and Daesh remains in reference to the groups self proclaimed name as "ad-Dawlah al-Islāmīyah fī al-'Irāq wash-Shām" but, in English media, references such as ISIL are made with more frequency than references to the full translation as "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". This long title may provide suitable natural disambiguation for the main article but, in other contexts, I think a contraction to ISIL is more than warranted. Greg Kaye 11:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
70.51.200.101 What do you think of all the Wikipedia articles that refer to
America? These articles refer to the "
United States" that make title reference to America instead. There's even
a currently active RM that proposes a move of Best High Schools in America → Newsweek survey of Best High Schools in America. Consideration of re the reference to "United States", as per the first line of article text, has not even been mentioned even in the current title counter proposal.
ISIL is more succinct than either
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant or any "Islamic State" title with disambiguation and is highly recognisable. I don't see the problem.
It is also standard practice to use
acronyms in Wikipedia titles and this is even seen from the beginning of the alphabet. Wikipedia hosts a main article
American Automobile Association and yet in
Category:American Automobile Association we find the articles
AAA 400,
AAA California,
AAA Five Diamond Award,
AAA Texas 500,
AAA Travel High School Challenge,
AAA Mid-Atlantic and
AAA Northern New England. The only non acronym based article in this particular category was the ironically titled
American Automobile Ass'n v. United States but, even here, there is an abbreviation.
Greg
Kaye 13:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
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the lede states: burying alive,[1] electrocuting, lowering in a tub of corrosive acid,
yet IS has not used any of these methods of killing
the acid claim links to the same "source" as the burying alive claim which mentions nothing about acid and is as such, without any source
the burying alive claim links to "armenpress", which in its article cites ""Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA)""
Ahlul Bayt News Agency is NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE and is in fact based in Qom, and run as a propaganda campaign for Iran and Shiites
if you want the full history of this organisation, you need only look at its about section. it is a project of the "Ahl Al-Bayt World Assembly" ( /info/en/?search=Ahl_Al-Bayt_World_Assembly) which was established by Ayatollah Khamenei in 1990. the Hojjat al-Islam Mohammad Hasan Akhtari, a former Iranian ambassador to Syria is the current president of "Ahl Al-Bayt World Assembly", which is the organisation that established ""Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA)""
http://en.abna24.com/about.html "authorities of the Ahlolbayt World Assembly during the tenure of present Secretary General Hujjatol-Islam Mohammad Hasan Akhtari well recognized the sensitivity of the condition. To fill the gap, they embarked on launching a three-language electronic news agency"
wikipedia editors are not following the reliable source guideline and are either too ignorant or lazy to research their sources this is a disagace
I will now remove those claims and you have had the explanation here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.144.10 ( talk) 16:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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The lede mentions crucifixion several times, one tagged as requiring sources since 2016. The main body of the article doesn't mention this once. While the practice may have occurred, it's not in the article. Leaving it in the lede just seems like sensationalizing, I will remove it. Ifnord ( talk) 20:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Just looking at Google trends, ISIL is like 0.1% that of ISIS. Put them both in (and select the groups so it knows you mean ISIS not Isis and same with ISIL) and you'll see that literally no one outside of the government of one country, CNN and a few other yellow press media outlets call it ISIL. I don't understand what the deal is with ISIL but the same people who seem so passionate about it are the same who prefix it with 'so-called' all the time. I'm not a political man so I don't understand their subversive agenda but I'm a rational man and I see allowing this tiny minority to take over and change the name of a thing as wrong. 121.210.33.50 ( talk) 10:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)
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Ping article creater @ Gregkaye: and main contributor @ EastTN:
Is there a reason why we have this article and one titled ISIL beheading incidents? It seems there is overlap between the two article. Thoughts? Mbcap ( talk) 16:59, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
This discussion was listed at Wikipedia:Move review on 24 April 2015. The result of the move review was Closure endorsed. |
The result of the move request was: All four moved per consensus below. Convincing arguments were made regarding "America" being used in titles in spite of America's article being at United States, etc. A superficial vote-counting does not lead to a huge majority, but policy is pretty strongly in favor behind this one. ( non-admin closure) Red Slash 02:44, 23 April 2015 (UTC)
– so as to match titles of articles such as: Destruction of cultural heritage by ISIL, Human rights in ISIL controlled territory, ISIL beheading incidents, LGBT rights in ISIL controlled territory, Military of ISIL, Persecution of Assyrians by ISIL, Persecution of Yazidis by ISIL, Portrayal of ISIL in American media and United Kingdom and ISIL. The title of the article in the namespace Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant has been debated on numerous occasions at Talk:ISIL with various arguments being placed for and against moves to such titles as "Islamic State (with disambiguation)" and "Islamic State of Iraq and Syria". Regular reference to the group by the names ISIL, ISIS and Daesh remains in reference to the groups self proclaimed name as "ad-Dawlah al-Islāmīyah fī al-'Irāq wash-Shām" but, in English media, references such as ISIL are made with more frequency than references to the full translation as "Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant". This long title may provide suitable natural disambiguation for the main article but, in other contexts, I think a contraction to ISIL is more than warranted. Greg Kaye 11:05, 4 March 2015 (UTC)
70.51.200.101 What do you think of all the Wikipedia articles that refer to
America? These articles refer to the "
United States" that make title reference to America instead. There's even
a currently active RM that proposes a move of Best High Schools in America → Newsweek survey of Best High Schools in America. Consideration of re the reference to "United States", as per the first line of article text, has not even been mentioned even in the current title counter proposal.
ISIL is more succinct than either
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant or any "Islamic State" title with disambiguation and is highly recognisable. I don't see the problem.
It is also standard practice to use
acronyms in Wikipedia titles and this is even seen from the beginning of the alphabet. Wikipedia hosts a main article
American Automobile Association and yet in
Category:American Automobile Association we find the articles
AAA 400,
AAA California,
AAA Five Diamond Award,
AAA Texas 500,
AAA Travel High School Challenge,
AAA Mid-Atlantic and
AAA Northern New England. The only non acronym based article in this particular category was the ironically titled
American Automobile Ass'n v. United States but, even here, there is an abbreviation.
Greg
Kaye 13:47, 6 March 2015 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 06:14, 14 May 2015 (UTC)
the lede states: burying alive,[1] electrocuting, lowering in a tub of corrosive acid,
yet IS has not used any of these methods of killing
the acid claim links to the same "source" as the burying alive claim which mentions nothing about acid and is as such, without any source
the burying alive claim links to "armenpress", which in its article cites ""Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA)""
Ahlul Bayt News Agency is NOT A RELIABLE SOURCE and is in fact based in Qom, and run as a propaganda campaign for Iran and Shiites
if you want the full history of this organisation, you need only look at its about section. it is a project of the "Ahl Al-Bayt World Assembly" ( /info/en/?search=Ahl_Al-Bayt_World_Assembly) which was established by Ayatollah Khamenei in 1990. the Hojjat al-Islam Mohammad Hasan Akhtari, a former Iranian ambassador to Syria is the current president of "Ahl Al-Bayt World Assembly", which is the organisation that established ""Ahlul Bayt News Agency (ABNA)""
http://en.abna24.com/about.html "authorities of the Ahlolbayt World Assembly during the tenure of present Secretary General Hujjatol-Islam Mohammad Hasan Akhtari well recognized the sensitivity of the condition. To fill the gap, they embarked on launching a three-language electronic news agency"
wikipedia editors are not following the reliable source guideline and are either too ignorant or lazy to research their sources this is a disagace
I will now remove those claims and you have had the explanation here — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.112.144.10 ( talk) 16:00, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
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The lede mentions crucifixion several times, one tagged as requiring sources since 2016. The main body of the article doesn't mention this once. While the practice may have occurred, it's not in the article. Leaving it in the lede just seems like sensationalizing, I will remove it. Ifnord ( talk) 20:51, 16 October 2019 (UTC)
Just looking at Google trends, ISIL is like 0.1% that of ISIS. Put them both in (and select the groups so it knows you mean ISIS not Isis and same with ISIL) and you'll see that literally no one outside of the government of one country, CNN and a few other yellow press media outlets call it ISIL. I don't understand what the deal is with ISIL but the same people who seem so passionate about it are the same who prefix it with 'so-called' all the time. I'm not a political man so I don't understand their subversive agenda but I'm a rational man and I see allowing this tiny minority to take over and change the name of a thing as wrong. 121.210.33.50 ( talk) 10:10, 23 February 2020 (UTC)