![]() | The contents of the Killing of Zak Kostopoulos page were merged into Zak Kostopoulos and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
Hello. The map frame appears to be floating above a paragraph, and thus, obscuring it partially, making impossible to read the whole text. Anyone knows an way to adjust it so that the map is positioned next to the paragraph instead of floating and hiding it? I tried to change the parameter =floating into =position but this doesn't seem to be fixing the issue. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 13:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The editor User:Buidhe has proposed that the article I created, Zak Kostopoulos is merged into the article Killing of Zak Kostopoulos they created. I am saddened that anti-fascist activists and human right figures of Greece are being treated as notable in the English Wikipedia only due to their murders while dismissing their notability prior to their death as "doubtful" (per Buidhe's wording [1]). Zak Kostopoulos was a well known and respected public figure in Greece, an activist, a stage performer, a veteran writer and author for Greece's largest LGBT magazine, the AntiVirus, with 59 articles already: [2] and was regarded as the pulse of the LGBT community. He wasnt a non-notable activist that became notable after murder. He was notable already a long time before his murder. I am asking for the editors to reflect on this by not supporting merge of Zak Kostopoulos with Killing of Zak Kostopoulos. If two articles are too much for Wikipedia, then I propose the other way around: that the Killing of Zak Kostopoulos is merged into Zak Kostopoulos instead, just like how it was already done about Pavlos Fyssas and Murder of Pavlos Fyssas, another human right and anti-fascist activist of Greece. The Greece topic area is characterized by a lack of notable modern day activist figures, with the person articles created so far giving a heavier emphasis on figures unrelated to activism, usually politicians or bureaucrats, or figures that lived in previous centuries instead. This needs to be amended and give in the English Wikipedia some more prominence to the notable activists themselves, besides what harmful actions were done against them. For this reason I have created the article of the notable anti-fascist activist Pavlos Fussas, the article of child rights activist Marianna Vardinoyannis and so on. Thank you. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 17:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
as I cannot find independent, reliable sources that significantly cover him prior to the deathWhat are you talking about? He was in some of Greece's largest and most prominent magazines and newspapers at the time, such as Marie Claire: [3], To Vima: [4] and 3 Point Magazine: [5]. Some of them, especially To Vima, are even used frequently in various articles in the Greece topic area across the Wikipedia Project. If finding reliable sources about that person prior to their murder was your problem here, you should just have asked before suggesting an article merge. Not only big ones, but even smaller media. But the fact that you seem to have even ignored the country's largest LGBT magazine I mentioned in the first post, where he was a veteran author, does not instill me faith that you are evaluating objectively the facts. This dismissal attitude of your part towards a LGBT activist's notability is unacceptable. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
This might have been discussed a lot in the respective talk page, but i don't see any mention of it in Wikipedia:Notability, describing the actual guideline. It might be implied though, if we take into account that it does state the requirement of secondary sources for establishing notability, and interviews are generally considered primary sources. In any case, we aren't only referring to interviews. Demetrios1993 ( talk) 16:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Through a quick search, i did find some additional material. Namely:
A VICE documentary, in which Zak stars along with two other individuals. It is meant to present the drag scene of Athens. This was published even before his death.
Here is also an article about it.
Faster than light (2019) is a work of multiform cinema, or visual poetry, that presents Zak through his drag persona, Zakie Oh, alongside members of Zak/Zackie's artistic milieu.
Interview of four drag queens describing Zak.
Article which mentions the proposal of the SYRIZA faction inside the municipal council of Athens, to rename Gladstonos St. to Zak Kostopoulos St., in order to contribute to the campaign of the LGBTQI community.
It didn't take more than 15 minutes to find all these; surely there is more. Demetrios1993 ( talk) 22:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Formal request has been received to merge: Zak Kostopoulos into Killing of Zak Kostopoulos; dated: September 2023. Proposer's Rationale: The individual is only notable for his death and how it caused uproar in the LGBTQ community, most of the content in his biography article already exists in the one about his murder, and what little content not there can easily be put there. ~2603:7000... Discuss here. GenQuest "scribble" 02:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
![]() | The contents of the Killing of Zak Kostopoulos page were merged into Zak Kostopoulos and it now redirects there. For the contribution history and old versions of the merged article please see its history. |
Hello. The map frame appears to be floating above a paragraph, and thus, obscuring it partially, making impossible to read the whole text. Anyone knows an way to adjust it so that the map is positioned next to the paragraph instead of floating and hiding it? I tried to change the parameter =floating into =position but this doesn't seem to be fixing the issue. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 13:20, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
The editor User:Buidhe has proposed that the article I created, Zak Kostopoulos is merged into the article Killing of Zak Kostopoulos they created. I am saddened that anti-fascist activists and human right figures of Greece are being treated as notable in the English Wikipedia only due to their murders while dismissing their notability prior to their death as "doubtful" (per Buidhe's wording [1]). Zak Kostopoulos was a well known and respected public figure in Greece, an activist, a stage performer, a veteran writer and author for Greece's largest LGBT magazine, the AntiVirus, with 59 articles already: [2] and was regarded as the pulse of the LGBT community. He wasnt a non-notable activist that became notable after murder. He was notable already a long time before his murder. I am asking for the editors to reflect on this by not supporting merge of Zak Kostopoulos with Killing of Zak Kostopoulos. If two articles are too much for Wikipedia, then I propose the other way around: that the Killing of Zak Kostopoulos is merged into Zak Kostopoulos instead, just like how it was already done about Pavlos Fyssas and Murder of Pavlos Fyssas, another human right and anti-fascist activist of Greece. The Greece topic area is characterized by a lack of notable modern day activist figures, with the person articles created so far giving a heavier emphasis on figures unrelated to activism, usually politicians or bureaucrats, or figures that lived in previous centuries instead. This needs to be amended and give in the English Wikipedia some more prominence to the notable activists themselves, besides what harmful actions were done against them. For this reason I have created the article of the notable anti-fascist activist Pavlos Fussas, the article of child rights activist Marianna Vardinoyannis and so on. Thank you. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 17:31, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
as I cannot find independent, reliable sources that significantly cover him prior to the deathWhat are you talking about? He was in some of Greece's largest and most prominent magazines and newspapers at the time, such as Marie Claire: [3], To Vima: [4] and 3 Point Magazine: [5]. Some of them, especially To Vima, are even used frequently in various articles in the Greece topic area across the Wikipedia Project. If finding reliable sources about that person prior to their murder was your problem here, you should just have asked before suggesting an article merge. Not only big ones, but even smaller media. But the fact that you seem to have even ignored the country's largest LGBT magazine I mentioned in the first post, where he was a veteran author, does not instill me faith that you are evaluating objectively the facts. This dismissal attitude of your part towards a LGBT activist's notability is unacceptable. --- ❖ SilentResident ❖ ( talk ✉ | contribs ✎) 18:48, 8 October 2021 (UTC)
This might have been discussed a lot in the respective talk page, but i don't see any mention of it in Wikipedia:Notability, describing the actual guideline. It might be implied though, if we take into account that it does state the requirement of secondary sources for establishing notability, and interviews are generally considered primary sources. In any case, we aren't only referring to interviews. Demetrios1993 ( talk) 16:44, 9 October 2021 (UTC)
Through a quick search, i did find some additional material. Namely:
A VICE documentary, in which Zak stars along with two other individuals. It is meant to present the drag scene of Athens. This was published even before his death.
Here is also an article about it.
Faster than light (2019) is a work of multiform cinema, or visual poetry, that presents Zak through his drag persona, Zakie Oh, alongside members of Zak/Zackie's artistic milieu.
Interview of four drag queens describing Zak.
Article which mentions the proposal of the SYRIZA faction inside the municipal council of Athens, to rename Gladstonos St. to Zak Kostopoulos St., in order to contribute to the campaign of the LGBTQI community.
It didn't take more than 15 minutes to find all these; surely there is more. Demetrios1993 ( talk) 22:56, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Formal request has been received to merge: Zak Kostopoulos into Killing of Zak Kostopoulos; dated: September 2023. Proposer's Rationale: The individual is only notable for his death and how it caused uproar in the LGBTQ community, most of the content in his biography article already exists in the one about his murder, and what little content not there can easily be put there. ~2603:7000... Discuss here. GenQuest "scribble" 02:10, 22 September 2023 (UTC)