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I see that the beginning of this article talks about Joe Biden opening fire on a Lamborghini? May someone change this. 67.84.49.244 ( talk) 01:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
The lede is currently very awkwardly written. It needs to be restructured and clarified. I added one comma and was reverted because someone thought it made the attack and Tyre Nichols' death sound separate, so I need some help here. — Nythar ( 💬- ❄️) 06:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
On January 10, 2023,could be removed to make the first sentence more concise without a comma? CJ-Moki ( talk) 06:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Using pronouns might help with some clunkiness. There's no need to repeat "Nichols" when he's the central figure. In most paragraphs, he's the only one who wouldn't be "they". InedibleHulk ( talk) 08:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I'll remove the following text: "The unit is very successful, with hundreds of arrests."
While the success of law enforcement is always a subjective matter, if one is to quantify it, the proxy should at least be convictions. Number of arrests include innocents, and cases where the police failed to gather sufficient evidence, neither of which is any way a success. EBusiness ( talk) 10:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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WWGB have both removed text from the article indicating that Nichols and the officers involved were all African American, with WWGB arguing that "ethnicity is irrelevant". I disagree with this because reliable sources have chosen to mention the race of the people involved here, for example the first sentence of
a NY Times article mentions Nichols's race: The death of Tyre Nichols has provoked outrage and prompted state and federal investigations in the weeks since Mr. Nichols, a 29-year-old Black man, died after being pulled over by the police in Memphis.
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Another article also mentions the race of the police: The police, in an initial statement, said that a “confrontation occurred” as the officers, all of whom are also Black, approached Mr. Nichols’s vehicle on the evening of Jan. 7 and he ran away.
Since reliable sources include this information, and therefore deem it relevant enough to the event to include, there is not a valid justification to exclude it here. Elli ( talk | contribs) 23:44, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Also, I'm tired of fighting WWBG on this issue on every article. Race will be included in every article about police killing an unarmed person in the US, because it's always highly relevant to the topic. WWBG loses this argument every time. At some point, it become tendentious to push this issue at every new article about this topic.
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Include. We lose context to understanding. We cause no harm or misrepresentation by including it.
For George Floyd’s murder we mention Chauvin’s race within the first sentence of the lead. SecretName101 ( talk) 05:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Killed by law enforcement does not seem to be a rare or extraordinary event, even if considering only the ones involving illegal actions by law enforcement. As evidenced by Wikipedia's own record: /info/en/?search=Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States So why is this one blown out of proprtion and treated in this sensational way? "why newsworth" is not controlled by Wikipedia, but the second question is -- Felixkrull ( talk) 17:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
"rare or extraordinary event". We follow the reporting of reliable sources. There could likely be many more articles about officer involved killings, high profile or not, given enough coverage by media. That's simply up to editors to create said articles or not, and to justify WP:NOTABILITY etc. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
since this is an ongoing issue at the moment, I think there's a need for fact-checkers to support reliable references. and perhaps anyone writing on this could hopefully spare themselves sentimental or emotional tones in their writing. 158.140.162.238 ( talk) 04:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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According to details I just found, four out of the five arrested officers were originally Memphis-area citizens (including cities in Mississippi surrounding the Memphis area). But only one officer (Desmond Ainsworth Mills Jr.) is originally a resident of Bangor, Maine, Hartford, Connecticut, Bloomfield, Connecticut, and Charleston, West Virginia. Mills (B. 3/16/90 according to Shelby County inmate search) was notable for forming a local business called D&M Relations, LLC, registered in Memphis.
Various newspapers and outlets across Connecticut, including CBS station WFSB, FOX station WTIC-TV, and NBC station WVIT-TV, reported that Mills Jr. was a former graduate of Bloomfield High School in Bloomfield in 2008 before settling in West Virginia. However, it was unclear when he moved to Memphis but he did join law enforcement and the MPD in March 2017.
Olive Branch, Mississippi-native Tadarrius Bean (B. 9/18/98 according to Shelby County inmate search) joined MPD in 2020 at the age of 21 and was the youngest to be arrested out of the five involved it.
Does anybody have more information involving the five former officers? ImDeadAsADoornail ( talk) 09:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Media occasionally get things wrong. We should not publish an assertion that is not verifiable with the qualification that "media outlets reported" it. This is in response to the statement "Media outlets reported that the footage did not show Nichols resisting [or appearing to provoke] officers during the beating." It is true that the BBC, a reputed source, reported that Nichols did not appear to resist officers. The statement by the BBC is not credible. Video is released and the consensus of sources is that the video shows Nichols resisting and fleeing. Baller McGee ( talk) 17:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
@ EEng:, I saw you removed the image of the unmarked cruiser. I added the photo because it was of a type of vehicle the police officers specifically used: an unmarked Memphis police cruiser, as used by SCORPION: seen in this video, and mentioned to be of relevance in this article. Cerebral726 ( talk) 20:04, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
@ EEng:, I'm a little confused while you think it's not worth noting the family hired Benjamin Crump, the attorney for the families of Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, and Jacob Blake. That is highly publicized and notable. Regardless, with the number of sources stating he has joined the case, it is at least worth mentioning in a single sentence. Cerebral726 ( talk) 22:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Additionally, the presence of protests is part of what makes the case notable. It is very odd to not include even a single sentence mentioning that they have already started. Cerebral726 ( talk) 22:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
In the Tyre Nichols section a statement that he was underweight is attributed to the Family Attorney, the source is a New York Times article. This is what the attorney said, "Ben Crump, a lawyer for the family, noted that Mr. Nichols suffered from Crohn’s disease, and as a result was almost impossibly slim: six-foot-three and 145 pounds." The "under weight" wording should be removed. First it is a medical/scientific assesment; second absent the proper background, it is an opinion; third it is unsubstantiated that the attorney said "under"weight 2601:681:5780:AB76:981E:1462:CA87:2341 ( talk) 05:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
"Various incident videos did not show Nichols doing anything to provoke the beating.[8]"
This is a biased statement, even though sourced to CNN. The statement is subjective, opinionated, and should not be included. The Memphis Police Department Policies and Procedures Revised 01-31-2020, discuss Response To Resistance Continuum. As "resistance" is a justification to increasing use of force, the statement from the CNN article is of no merit and entirely biased. Additionally to say did not do anything to the beating, is suggesting that there could be adequate provocation for such a beating; which still is a biased statement. AgntOtrth ( talk) 03:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Cerebral726: If you have sources on protests, then feel free to list them here for other people to use in the article, or integrate the info into the article yourself. If there's enough for the body of the article, then a summary in the WP:LEAD will be better justified. Boud ( talk) 23:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
"On January 10, 2023, Tyre Nichols[a] died three days after five Memphis Police Department officers falsely claiming to have observed reckless driving stopped him."
The source merely says that the probable cause wasn't substantiated. It could have occurred, but off camera. Schierbecker ( talk) 04:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
The coordinates are currently listed at the top of page, and also within the infobox. Seems like we don't need both instances. Thanks. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Nichols' photo website referred to in news articles is heavily archived on the Wayback Machine over Jan. 27-29. The earliest capture is Jan. 23, which could have been simply because it was missed, but the page was blank then. The page was still blank until later on Jan. 27, with the tabs and photos being set up between the 17:21 and 20:17 captures. Is there any source that actually verified the website? Something seems fishy here. Maybe it was set up by his family as a tribute but it's odd as it is. KarlM ( talk) 23:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
These sources may be useful for article development:
Beccaynr ( talk) 02:28, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
This needs an update, if anyone is up for it: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, January 2023
The text regarding the death of Tyre Nichols is inaccurate and does not reflect the fact that he was beaten by police etc. Cheers. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 03:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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@ Iamreallygoodatcheckers, how exactly is putting the video of Eric Adams speaking violating WP:UNDUE? The inclusion is not to highlight his personal thoughts in particular, its to display a public reaction to the incident. The only way I could see it violating WP:UNDUE would be if his opinion was the minority, which it clearly isn't. Knightoftheswords281 ( talk) 06:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Every mayor, every governor, every congressperson, the president, the director of the FBI, every chief of police, every legal analyst, every talking head, pretty much everyone with a microphone, had the same reaction as you and I and everyone else in the world. I don't think it adds much to highlight a specific person's reaction, unless it's been very widely covered by RS (e.g., the family's public comments), it's undue. I don't think the mayor of New York's reaction makes the cut, neither the video nor the mention in prose, I'd exclude mention of the mayor of NYC altogether. Levivich ( talk) 07:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
In a live televised interview this morning, Tyre's mother corrected an interviewer when she mentioned Tyre's son as being 4, saying that his son is actually 5 years old. I have not seen a source quoting her on this yet, and so far all sources that ID the son's age say he's 4. Just something to keep an eye on, even though we probably can't change that yet. Wes sideman ( talk) 16:36, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Ultimately, Nichols broke free and ran south on Ross Road, where he was pursued by at least two officers. Two more police units arrived at the scene of the traffic stop around 8:29 p.m. Footage showed that one officer who remained at the area of the traffic stop said, "I hope they stomp his ass".
Suggested rearrangement, Ultimately, Nichols broke free and ran south on Ross Road, where he was pursued by at least two officers. 'Footage shows two officers remained at the original traffic stop. Other Law Enforcement units arrived at the original traffic stop and were advised of the direction Nichols ran. At approximately 8:32pm, one of the Officers that remained at the scene of the original traffic stop said ""I hope they stomp his ass". At approximately 8:34pm, the other Officer that remained at the scene of the original traffic stop, drove away with the vehicle lights and siren on, in direction Nichols ran. AgntOtrth ( talk) 19:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Given this NYT article, can we add in the coordinates to this location? I was looking at the Killing of George Floyd article, which includes coordinates, but couldn't find a source that states the actual numbers, just a myriad of sources stating the address or showing it on a map. This feels like enough information that no actual WP:OR is occuring if we do 35°01′48″N 89°50′20″W / 35.0301°N 89.8390°W, but was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the matter. Cerebral726 ( talk) 18:02, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the content about the social media campaign (sourced to Hassan, Jennifer (January 29, 2023). "Tyre Nichols loved sunsets. People are sharing glowing skies in his honor". The Washington Post. Retrieved 29 January 2023.) was removed with the edit summary "unencyclopedic" [3], and it is not clear to me if this is due to a lack of a citation at the end of this sentence or another objection related to its inclusion. The source has further explanation that could help develop the content, and I think it is encyclopedic within the section - from what I understand from the source, this campaign is also a reaction to the wide sharing of the graphic videos depicting the violence. Thank you, Beccaynr ( talk) 20:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
'In the released videos from after the beating, two officers claim Nichols reached for their weapons. This claim is not substantiated by the videos, ...'
The second sentence is attributed to the New York Times. The New York Times reported "That was not visible on any of the four videos released by the city on Friday night." Quote the New York Times, do not put a opinionated spin on it. 2601:681:5780:AB76:981E:1462:CA87:2341 ( talk) 06:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
That statement was not substantiated by any video evidence, including the video that allegation was recorded on. The New York Times is not required to know this. The videos that were released are enough to say video evidence of that claim has not been brought forward. LkeYHOBSTorItEwA ( talk) 13:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
It is prejudicial, "not seen" does not equal "was not on the videos". It is not paraphrasing. It completely misses the point the New York Times made. Lastly, the side comment should not be included in the Traffic Stop and Death section; this section should only chronicle the events as they happened as based on verifiable evidence. What the officer did and what the officers said is verifiable - it is on body cam footage. The veracity of the Officers claims should be and a different section - possibly Media Analysis. AgntOtrth ( talk) 13:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
It is not neutral, which violates Wikipedia Neutral Point Of View. Abduction you stated "enough shade" according to Meriam-Webster "Shade is a subtle, sneering expression of contempt for or disgust ..." By your own words, the phrasing is an opinion, and not neutral.
As for prejudicial, you are incorrect as its meaning/definition. Meriam-Webster defines it as "1. tending to injure or impair. 2. leading to premature judgment or unwarranted opinion". The unwarranted opinion is the gross mischaracterization of the New York Times statement that specifically says "That was not visible on any of the four videos released by the city on Friday night." The way to fix the biased, opinionated, prejudicial, non-neutral phrasing is to simply directly quote the New York Times article. AgntOtrth ( talk) 15:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
It is not a neutral statement. It is a simple edit, copy and paste, the citation does not need to edited. Why promote biased opinion? Promotion of biased opinions in Wikipedia, is why a reason so many see Wikipedia in a negative light. AgntOtrth ( talk) 17:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
The neutral and clear statement is to copy and paste the exact statement of the New York Times. My goal is to be neutral, not biased as abductive indicated with throwing "shade". As worded in its current form, it misrepresents the New York Times. Keeping the mischaracterization speaks volumes lack of neutrality of this article. AgntOtrth ( talk) 19:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
First police report in Tyre Nichols case contradicts video evidence and didn't mention beating by police – CNN, Jan. 31, 2023
Initial Police Report on Tyre Nichols Arrest Is Contradicted by Videos – The New York Times, Jan. 31, 2023
More to come once report is fully released. Cheers. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 18:11, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
According to [
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Capitalizing "black" as a descriptor for the race is dumb and unnecessary. It may be part of the AP style guide now but it isn't part of Wikipedia's, and most other articles on this site don't capitalize the word even in the context of being a descriptor of the race. I suggest someone edit the article to revert the unnecessary capitalization which goes against the style principles most other articles use. 2601:405:4400:9420:116E:C6BF:4E8:E78 ( talk) 17:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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03:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods, or SCORPION. It is like STRESS, or Stop the Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets - 91.54.6.249 ( talk) 13:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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01:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Specifically [7]. Fine to add some of this, but there are several issues I perceive.
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14:40, 2 February 2023 (UTC)I wonder why wiki is quick to put this heinous video up and but did not put up the video of Chauvin killing George Floyd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.144.21 ( talk) 20:10, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Let's just make a separate section titled Media Analysis. CNN, New York Times, Washington post, like all other media outlets have a narrow and biased point of view to publish.
The traffic stop should only be the events of the initial stop and were he was tackled, beaten, and cuffed. There is zero reason to interject the biased commentary of a media outlet in the Traffic Stop and Death section. The Traffic stop and death section does not have a neutral tone. AgntOtrth ( talk) 17:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
"CNN, New York Times, Washington post, like all other media outlets have a narrow and biased point of view to publish."These are called reliable sources, whether you like it or not. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 18:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
"he had plenty of bodily movement to lay on his stomach in that instance"How could you even begin to claim to know this? What a person in a physically violent (and mentally abusive) situation is or is not capable of? This sounds like WP:OR to me. The difference between you, and The New York Times, is that they have an editorial board, oversight, and rigorous journalistic integrity standards by which they must adhere to. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
I think you are really not understanding how Wikipedia works. Hopefully a more experienced editor can break it down and explain to you the importance of reliable sources. This really is the bedrock foundation from which a lot of everything here is built upon. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 20:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
The video footage also shows that the paramedics who were called did not provide any assistance. The New York Times reports that paramedics did not examine Nichols for 19 minutes. An emergency medical technician who worked on the investigative report into Nichols' case said there was reason to believe that the paramedics' inaction contributed to the patient's demise.
An ambulance was requested after their initial interaction with Nichols, the department said, and an emergency unit was dispatched at 8:46 p.m. The department said the unit arrived at the scene at 8:55 p.m., and initiated care and took Nichols to a hospital at 9:08 p.m. — about 27 minutes after Long, Sandridge and Whitaker arrived at the second location.
91.54.8.251 ( talk) 15:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The paragraph on the initial encounter seems biased and internally contradictory. Nichols did not comply with multiple orders from the police. Why did they pull him out of his car? Because he did not comply with the order to get out of his car. The article then says "Officers pushed Nichols to the ground", and later says "they attempted to pin him to the ground". How could they be attempting to pin him to the ground if he was already on the ground? Also, if Nichols was complying with the order to get to the ground, why does the article say they "pushed Nichols to the ground"? And if he was completely compliant, then how was he able to run away? Media sources have noted that Nichols does not appear to be responding to the orders from the officers. https://www.foxnews.com/us/tyre-nichols-bodycam-memphis-authorities-release-video-deadly-traffic-stop -- Westwind273 ( talk) 22:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
"Nichols did not comply with multiple orders from the police. Why did they pull him out of his car? Because he did not comply with the order to get out of his car."You'll need quality reliable sources to backup such a claim. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 22:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
For politics and science, there is consensus that the reliability of Fox News is unclear and that additional considerations apply to its use. As a result, Fox News is considered marginally reliable and generally does not qualify as a "high-quality source" for the purpose of substantiating exceptional claims in these topic areas. Although a significant portion of the community believes Fox News should be considered generally unreliable, the community did not reach a consensus to discourage the use of routine and uncontroversial coverage from Fox News. Based on the massive political reaction to this event, this does appear to be within politics, but it also seems to potentially be a misuse of the source to interpret the limited coverage for a general "he did not comply with multiple orders" statement, e.g. this source includes "For several seconds he repeats "Give us your hands!" Nichols looks limp or in a daze, and another officer can be seen punching him in the face". We also have more detailed analysis available from other sources that similarly examine these types of issues, but in greater depth. Beccaynr ( talk) 18:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Murder isn’t a political event - so Fox News should not be disqualified just for being Fox News. That being said, I agree with the original research point. Without denigrating some junior reporter, this sounds like one person’s non expert opinion only. TruthByAnonymousConsensus ( talk) 03:14, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Memphis police suspend officer after firing five in Tyre Nichols case (Reuters)
Sixth officer suspended in Tyre Nichols death investigation (WaPo, January 30, 2023)
6th Memphis officer relieved of duty in Nichols arrest (Associated Press)
6th Memphis Police Officer Suspended in Tyre Nichols Death (NYT)
Beccaynr ( talk) 20:09, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Sixth Memphis police officer fired for role in arrest of Tyre Nichols (Guardian/AP, Feb 3, 2023)
In the section "Traffic stop and death" the following is stated "At about 8:25 p.m., a struggle began between the officers and Nichols; they attempted to pin Nichols to the ground, threatened him, yelled expletives, and used pepper spray and a taser on him. The pepper spray also hit several of the other officers. Ultimately, Nichols broke free and ran south on Ross Road, where he was pursued by at least two officers." This gives the impression that the taser was used before Nichols began to flee which is not the case. According to the CNN article this section cites "At 8:25 p.m., one officer sprays Nichols in the face with pepper spray. Nichols then struggles to his feet and begins running from the officer as one another shoots a taser at him that apparently didn’t make contact."
Incase I need to recite the article https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/us/tyre-nichols-memphis-friday/index.html LetsMakeThingsRight ( talk) 03:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please revert a portion of this unexplained previous edit, and add the following text back into the article:
The New York Times reported that Nichols repeatedly cried out for his mother and "[did] not appear to ever strike back" during the beating.
Thank you. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 20:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The same editor, AgntOtrth, has now changed this portion of the article again, this time removing sourcing from The New York Times and replacing the reference with a link to a Fox News story. Please revert this change, and roll back to the original wording and sourcing from The New York Times. Thank you. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The New York Times reported that Nichols repeatedly cried out for his mother and "[did] not appear to ever strike back" during the beating.
"Throughout the beating, which lasts about three minutes, Mr. Nichols does not appear to ever strike back. Several times, he moves his hands to cover his face, seeming to cower from the officers' blows."
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Add to the Aftermath section
"U.S. Representative Steven Horsford, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), invited Tyre Nichols' mother and stepfather, RowVaughn and Rodney Wells, to attend the 2023 State of the Union address. They accepted the invitation and attended the 2023 State of the Union address.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tyre-nichols-mother-stepfather-attend-biden-state-union-speech-2023-01-30/ Hulemann ( talk) 11:16, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Omega Psi Phi (historically black fraternity) revoked the membership of three members/officers involved. https://news.yahoo.com/omega-psi-phi-fraternity-revokes-193850761.html Broadmoor ( talk)
Basic information to add to this article: exactly what did the two "confrontations" entail? 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 21:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
What’s the copyright status of the bodycam Videos and police telephone pole footage? Victor Grigas ( talk) 00:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Does the footage show the first "confrontation"? 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 01:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
To maintain accurate and objective analysis of this tragedy, shouldn't we have a discussion of the extent to which Mr. Nichols was evading and/or resisting arrest? For example his flight on foot, which occurred after the officers' initial attempt to arrest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8300:C780:4CCC:D3E1:EFAA:E3C3 ( talk) 00:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
As for a legal perspective about the force he saw used in the video clip, Levitt said, "They clearly believe that he resisted arrest, that he ran, that he fought them, that he tried to grab their gun. I don’t have any reason to doubt what they’re saying, but the way they used force against him wouldn’t be appropriate in any context because the man is unarmed," Levitt said.
I believe the "original research" policy does not prohibit analysis of video by an editor. Here is a portion of the policy "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.[a] This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources."
If I posted "Around 8:33pm, an officer that remained at original traffic stop, put on his tactical vest, entered his duty vehicle and proceed South on Ross." That is verifiable in video 1. Nothing suggests the video is unreliable. The statement is neutral statement of verifiable fact. As such, it does not violate the original research policy.
Also consider how openly biased the The New York Times is in its analysis of the videos. "71 impossible commands". Except within the first minutes of the traffic stop Nichols stated "I am on the ground", someone respond "on your stomach", to which Nichols responds "Ok" AgntOtrth ( talk) 22:50, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
In the first line of this article there is reference to five black police officers. Why is the white cop exonerated for his actions? Is Wikipedia following three lead of the Memphis police in attributing immediate guilt to only the black police officers present? 87.208.172.98 ( talk) 08:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Hemphill is not charged with the death of Nichols. Where would you recommend he and hos race be mentioned? AgntOtrth ( talk) 09:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
The video only showed the five officers. Cwater1 ( talk) 19:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
The lead paragraph mentions 10 officers responded to the traffic stop. The evidence available does not support the statement. Does it stay in the article? AgntOtrth ( talk) 17:29, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
" 'About 10' Memphis Police officers responded to the Jan. 7 traffic stop in Hickory Hill, Police Chief C.J. Davis told city council Tuesday."
The race of the individuals that beat Nichols is mentioned in the opening paragraph. The race of Nichols is mentioned in the opening paragraph. Can we remove the redundant references to race in the People involved section? AgntOtrth ( talk) 05:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
The former officers are charged with assault. Tennessee does not have a battery crime statute. The United States nor individual States have a universally accepted definition for criminal battery or criminal assault. AgntOtrth ( talk) 00:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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I see that the beginning of this article talks about Joe Biden opening fire on a Lamborghini? May someone change this. 67.84.49.244 ( talk) 01:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
The lede is currently very awkwardly written. It needs to be restructured and clarified. I added one comma and was reverted because someone thought it made the attack and Tyre Nichols' death sound separate, so I need some help here. — Nythar ( 💬- ❄️) 06:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
On January 10, 2023,could be removed to make the first sentence more concise without a comma? CJ-Moki ( talk) 06:58, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Using pronouns might help with some clunkiness. There's no need to repeat "Nichols" when he's the central figure. In most paragraphs, he's the only one who wouldn't be "they". InedibleHulk ( talk) 08:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
I'll remove the following text: "The unit is very successful, with hundreds of arrests."
While the success of law enforcement is always a subjective matter, if one is to quantify it, the proxy should at least be convictions. Number of arrests include innocents, and cases where the police failed to gather sufficient evidence, neither of which is any way a success. EBusiness ( talk) 10:33, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
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WWGB have both removed text from the article indicating that Nichols and the officers involved were all African American, with WWGB arguing that "ethnicity is irrelevant". I disagree with this because reliable sources have chosen to mention the race of the people involved here, for example the first sentence of
a NY Times article mentions Nichols's race: The death of Tyre Nichols has provoked outrage and prompted state and federal investigations in the weeks since Mr. Nichols, a 29-year-old Black man, died after being pulled over by the police in Memphis.
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Another article also mentions the race of the police: The police, in an initial statement, said that a “confrontation occurred” as the officers, all of whom are also Black, approached Mr. Nichols’s vehicle on the evening of Jan. 7 and he ran away.
Since reliable sources include this information, and therefore deem it relevant enough to the event to include, there is not a valid justification to exclude it here. Elli ( talk | contribs) 23:44, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Also, I'm tired of fighting WWBG on this issue on every article. Race will be included in every article about police killing an unarmed person in the US, because it's always highly relevant to the topic. WWBG loses this argument every time. At some point, it become tendentious to push this issue at every new article about this topic.
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Include. We lose context to understanding. We cause no harm or misrepresentation by including it.
For George Floyd’s murder we mention Chauvin’s race within the first sentence of the lead. SecretName101 ( talk) 05:51, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Killed by law enforcement does not seem to be a rare or extraordinary event, even if considering only the ones involving illegal actions by law enforcement. As evidenced by Wikipedia's own record: /info/en/?search=Lists_of_killings_by_law_enforcement_officers_in_the_United_States So why is this one blown out of proprtion and treated in this sensational way? "why newsworth" is not controlled by Wikipedia, but the second question is -- Felixkrull ( talk) 17:57, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
"rare or extraordinary event". We follow the reporting of reliable sources. There could likely be many more articles about officer involved killings, high profile or not, given enough coverage by media. That's simply up to editors to create said articles or not, and to justify WP:NOTABILITY etc. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:38, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
since this is an ongoing issue at the moment, I think there's a need for fact-checkers to support reliable references. and perhaps anyone writing on this could hopefully spare themselves sentimental or emotional tones in their writing. 158.140.162.238 ( talk) 04:14, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
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According to details I just found, four out of the five arrested officers were originally Memphis-area citizens (including cities in Mississippi surrounding the Memphis area). But only one officer (Desmond Ainsworth Mills Jr.) is originally a resident of Bangor, Maine, Hartford, Connecticut, Bloomfield, Connecticut, and Charleston, West Virginia. Mills (B. 3/16/90 according to Shelby County inmate search) was notable for forming a local business called D&M Relations, LLC, registered in Memphis.
Various newspapers and outlets across Connecticut, including CBS station WFSB, FOX station WTIC-TV, and NBC station WVIT-TV, reported that Mills Jr. was a former graduate of Bloomfield High School in Bloomfield in 2008 before settling in West Virginia. However, it was unclear when he moved to Memphis but he did join law enforcement and the MPD in March 2017.
Olive Branch, Mississippi-native Tadarrius Bean (B. 9/18/98 according to Shelby County inmate search) joined MPD in 2020 at the age of 21 and was the youngest to be arrested out of the five involved it.
Does anybody have more information involving the five former officers? ImDeadAsADoornail ( talk) 09:36, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Media occasionally get things wrong. We should not publish an assertion that is not verifiable with the qualification that "media outlets reported" it. This is in response to the statement "Media outlets reported that the footage did not show Nichols resisting [or appearing to provoke] officers during the beating." It is true that the BBC, a reputed source, reported that Nichols did not appear to resist officers. The statement by the BBC is not credible. Video is released and the consensus of sources is that the video shows Nichols resisting and fleeing. Baller McGee ( talk) 17:18, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
@ EEng:, I saw you removed the image of the unmarked cruiser. I added the photo because it was of a type of vehicle the police officers specifically used: an unmarked Memphis police cruiser, as used by SCORPION: seen in this video, and mentioned to be of relevance in this article. Cerebral726 ( talk) 20:04, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
@ EEng:, I'm a little confused while you think it's not worth noting the family hired Benjamin Crump, the attorney for the families of Ahmaud Arbery, Breonna Taylor, George Floyd, and Jacob Blake. That is highly publicized and notable. Regardless, with the number of sources stating he has joined the case, it is at least worth mentioning in a single sentence. Cerebral726 ( talk) 22:38, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
Additionally, the presence of protests is part of what makes the case notable. It is very odd to not include even a single sentence mentioning that they have already started. Cerebral726 ( talk) 22:40, 27 January 2023 (UTC)
In the Tyre Nichols section a statement that he was underweight is attributed to the Family Attorney, the source is a New York Times article. This is what the attorney said, "Ben Crump, a lawyer for the family, noted that Mr. Nichols suffered from Crohn’s disease, and as a result was almost impossibly slim: six-foot-three and 145 pounds." The "under weight" wording should be removed. First it is a medical/scientific assesment; second absent the proper background, it is an opinion; third it is unsubstantiated that the attorney said "under"weight 2601:681:5780:AB76:981E:1462:CA87:2341 ( talk) 05:19, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
"Various incident videos did not show Nichols doing anything to provoke the beating.[8]"
This is a biased statement, even though sourced to CNN. The statement is subjective, opinionated, and should not be included. The Memphis Police Department Policies and Procedures Revised 01-31-2020, discuss Response To Resistance Continuum. As "resistance" is a justification to increasing use of force, the statement from the CNN article is of no merit and entirely biased. Additionally to say did not do anything to the beating, is suggesting that there could be adequate provocation for such a beating; which still is a biased statement. AgntOtrth ( talk) 03:37, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
@ Cerebral726: If you have sources on protests, then feel free to list them here for other people to use in the article, or integrate the info into the article yourself. If there's enough for the body of the article, then a summary in the WP:LEAD will be better justified. Boud ( talk) 23:08, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
"On January 10, 2023, Tyre Nichols[a] died three days after five Memphis Police Department officers falsely claiming to have observed reckless driving stopped him."
The source merely says that the probable cause wasn't substantiated. It could have occurred, but off camera. Schierbecker ( talk) 04:39, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
The coordinates are currently listed at the top of page, and also within the infobox. Seems like we don't need both instances. Thanks. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:43, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Nichols' photo website referred to in news articles is heavily archived on the Wayback Machine over Jan. 27-29. The earliest capture is Jan. 23, which could have been simply because it was missed, but the page was blank then. The page was still blank until later on Jan. 27, with the tabs and photos being set up between the 17:21 and 20:17 captures. Is there any source that actually verified the website? Something seems fishy here. Maybe it was set up by his family as a tribute but it's odd as it is. KarlM ( talk) 23:56, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
These sources may be useful for article development:
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This needs an update, if anyone is up for it: List of killings by law enforcement officers in the United States, January 2023
The text regarding the death of Tyre Nichols is inaccurate and does not reflect the fact that he was beaten by police etc. Cheers. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 03:15, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
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@ Iamreallygoodatcheckers, how exactly is putting the video of Eric Adams speaking violating WP:UNDUE? The inclusion is not to highlight his personal thoughts in particular, its to display a public reaction to the incident. The only way I could see it violating WP:UNDUE would be if his opinion was the minority, which it clearly isn't. Knightoftheswords281 ( talk) 06:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Every mayor, every governor, every congressperson, the president, the director of the FBI, every chief of police, every legal analyst, every talking head, pretty much everyone with a microphone, had the same reaction as you and I and everyone else in the world. I don't think it adds much to highlight a specific person's reaction, unless it's been very widely covered by RS (e.g., the family's public comments), it's undue. I don't think the mayor of New York's reaction makes the cut, neither the video nor the mention in prose, I'd exclude mention of the mayor of NYC altogether. Levivich ( talk) 07:36, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
In a live televised interview this morning, Tyre's mother corrected an interviewer when she mentioned Tyre's son as being 4, saying that his son is actually 5 years old. I have not seen a source quoting her on this yet, and so far all sources that ID the son's age say he's 4. Just something to keep an eye on, even though we probably can't change that yet. Wes sideman ( talk) 16:36, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Ultimately, Nichols broke free and ran south on Ross Road, where he was pursued by at least two officers. Two more police units arrived at the scene of the traffic stop around 8:29 p.m. Footage showed that one officer who remained at the area of the traffic stop said, "I hope they stomp his ass".
Suggested rearrangement, Ultimately, Nichols broke free and ran south on Ross Road, where he was pursued by at least two officers. 'Footage shows two officers remained at the original traffic stop. Other Law Enforcement units arrived at the original traffic stop and were advised of the direction Nichols ran. At approximately 8:32pm, one of the Officers that remained at the scene of the original traffic stop said ""I hope they stomp his ass". At approximately 8:34pm, the other Officer that remained at the scene of the original traffic stop, drove away with the vehicle lights and siren on, in direction Nichols ran. AgntOtrth ( talk) 19:22, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Given this NYT article, can we add in the coordinates to this location? I was looking at the Killing of George Floyd article, which includes coordinates, but couldn't find a source that states the actual numbers, just a myriad of sources stating the address or showing it on a map. This feels like enough information that no actual WP:OR is occuring if we do 35°01′48″N 89°50′20″W / 35.0301°N 89.8390°W, but was wondering if anyone had any opinions on the matter. Cerebral726 ( talk) 18:02, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
I noticed that the content about the social media campaign (sourced to Hassan, Jennifer (January 29, 2023). "Tyre Nichols loved sunsets. People are sharing glowing skies in his honor". The Washington Post. Retrieved 29 January 2023.) was removed with the edit summary "unencyclopedic" [3], and it is not clear to me if this is due to a lack of a citation at the end of this sentence or another objection related to its inclusion. The source has further explanation that could help develop the content, and I think it is encyclopedic within the section - from what I understand from the source, this campaign is also a reaction to the wide sharing of the graphic videos depicting the violence. Thank you, Beccaynr ( talk) 20:18, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
'In the released videos from after the beating, two officers claim Nichols reached for their weapons. This claim is not substantiated by the videos, ...'
The second sentence is attributed to the New York Times. The New York Times reported "That was not visible on any of the four videos released by the city on Friday night." Quote the New York Times, do not put a opinionated spin on it. 2601:681:5780:AB76:981E:1462:CA87:2341 ( talk) 06:14, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
That statement was not substantiated by any video evidence, including the video that allegation was recorded on. The New York Times is not required to know this. The videos that were released are enough to say video evidence of that claim has not been brought forward. LkeYHOBSTorItEwA ( talk) 13:23, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
It is prejudicial, "not seen" does not equal "was not on the videos". It is not paraphrasing. It completely misses the point the New York Times made. Lastly, the side comment should not be included in the Traffic Stop and Death section; this section should only chronicle the events as they happened as based on verifiable evidence. What the officer did and what the officers said is verifiable - it is on body cam footage. The veracity of the Officers claims should be and a different section - possibly Media Analysis. AgntOtrth ( talk) 13:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
It is not neutral, which violates Wikipedia Neutral Point Of View. Abduction you stated "enough shade" according to Meriam-Webster "Shade is a subtle, sneering expression of contempt for or disgust ..." By your own words, the phrasing is an opinion, and not neutral.
As for prejudicial, you are incorrect as its meaning/definition. Meriam-Webster defines it as "1. tending to injure or impair. 2. leading to premature judgment or unwarranted opinion". The unwarranted opinion is the gross mischaracterization of the New York Times statement that specifically says "That was not visible on any of the four videos released by the city on Friday night." The way to fix the biased, opinionated, prejudicial, non-neutral phrasing is to simply directly quote the New York Times article. AgntOtrth ( talk) 15:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
It is not a neutral statement. It is a simple edit, copy and paste, the citation does not need to edited. Why promote biased opinion? Promotion of biased opinions in Wikipedia, is why a reason so many see Wikipedia in a negative light. AgntOtrth ( talk) 17:30, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
The neutral and clear statement is to copy and paste the exact statement of the New York Times. My goal is to be neutral, not biased as abductive indicated with throwing "shade". As worded in its current form, it misrepresents the New York Times. Keeping the mischaracterization speaks volumes lack of neutrality of this article. AgntOtrth ( talk) 19:08, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
First police report in Tyre Nichols case contradicts video evidence and didn't mention beating by police – CNN, Jan. 31, 2023
Initial Police Report on Tyre Nichols Arrest Is Contradicted by Videos – The New York Times, Jan. 31, 2023
More to come once report is fully released. Cheers. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 18:11, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
According to [
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Capitalizing "black" as a descriptor for the race is dumb and unnecessary. It may be part of the AP style guide now but it isn't part of Wikipedia's, and most other articles on this site don't capitalize the word even in the context of being a descriptor of the race. I suggest someone edit the article to revert the unnecessary capitalization which goes against the style principles most other articles use. 2601:405:4400:9420:116E:C6BF:4E8:E78 ( talk) 17:39, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
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03:50, 1 February 2023 (UTC)Street Crimes Operation to Restore Peace in Our Neighborhoods, or SCORPION. It is like STRESS, or Stop the Robberies, Enjoy Safe Streets - 91.54.6.249 ( talk) 13:20, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
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01:26, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Specifically [7]. Fine to add some of this, but there are several issues I perceive.
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14:40, 2 February 2023 (UTC)I wonder why wiki is quick to put this heinous video up and but did not put up the video of Chauvin killing George Floyd. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.24.144.21 ( talk) 20:10, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
Let's just make a separate section titled Media Analysis. CNN, New York Times, Washington post, like all other media outlets have a narrow and biased point of view to publish.
The traffic stop should only be the events of the initial stop and were he was tackled, beaten, and cuffed. There is zero reason to interject the biased commentary of a media outlet in the Traffic Stop and Death section. The Traffic stop and death section does not have a neutral tone. AgntOtrth ( talk) 17:59, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
"CNN, New York Times, Washington post, like all other media outlets have a narrow and biased point of view to publish."These are called reliable sources, whether you like it or not. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 18:04, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
"he had plenty of bodily movement to lay on his stomach in that instance"How could you even begin to claim to know this? What a person in a physically violent (and mentally abusive) situation is or is not capable of? This sounds like WP:OR to me. The difference between you, and The New York Times, is that they have an editorial board, oversight, and rigorous journalistic integrity standards by which they must adhere to. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:44, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
I think you are really not understanding how Wikipedia works. Hopefully a more experienced editor can break it down and explain to you the importance of reliable sources. This really is the bedrock foundation from which a lot of everything here is built upon. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 20:15, 1 February 2023 (UTC)
The video footage also shows that the paramedics who were called did not provide any assistance. The New York Times reports that paramedics did not examine Nichols for 19 minutes. An emergency medical technician who worked on the investigative report into Nichols' case said there was reason to believe that the paramedics' inaction contributed to the patient's demise.
An ambulance was requested after their initial interaction with Nichols, the department said, and an emergency unit was dispatched at 8:46 p.m. The department said the unit arrived at the scene at 8:55 p.m., and initiated care and took Nichols to a hospital at 9:08 p.m. — about 27 minutes after Long, Sandridge and Whitaker arrived at the second location.
91.54.8.251 ( talk) 15:19, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The paragraph on the initial encounter seems biased and internally contradictory. Nichols did not comply with multiple orders from the police. Why did they pull him out of his car? Because he did not comply with the order to get out of his car. The article then says "Officers pushed Nichols to the ground", and later says "they attempted to pin him to the ground". How could they be attempting to pin him to the ground if he was already on the ground? Also, if Nichols was complying with the order to get to the ground, why does the article say they "pushed Nichols to the ground"? And if he was completely compliant, then how was he able to run away? Media sources have noted that Nichols does not appear to be responding to the orders from the officers. https://www.foxnews.com/us/tyre-nichols-bodycam-memphis-authorities-release-video-deadly-traffic-stop -- Westwind273 ( talk) 22:12, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
"Nichols did not comply with multiple orders from the police. Why did they pull him out of his car? Because he did not comply with the order to get out of his car."You'll need quality reliable sources to backup such a claim. Cheers! 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 22:58, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
For politics and science, there is consensus that the reliability of Fox News is unclear and that additional considerations apply to its use. As a result, Fox News is considered marginally reliable and generally does not qualify as a "high-quality source" for the purpose of substantiating exceptional claims in these topic areas. Although a significant portion of the community believes Fox News should be considered generally unreliable, the community did not reach a consensus to discourage the use of routine and uncontroversial coverage from Fox News. Based on the massive political reaction to this event, this does appear to be within politics, but it also seems to potentially be a misuse of the source to interpret the limited coverage for a general "he did not comply with multiple orders" statement, e.g. this source includes "For several seconds he repeats "Give us your hands!" Nichols looks limp or in a daze, and another officer can be seen punching him in the face". We also have more detailed analysis available from other sources that similarly examine these types of issues, but in greater depth. Beccaynr ( talk) 18:50, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
Murder isn’t a political event - so Fox News should not be disqualified just for being Fox News. That being said, I agree with the original research point. Without denigrating some junior reporter, this sounds like one person’s non expert opinion only. TruthByAnonymousConsensus ( talk) 03:14, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
Memphis police suspend officer after firing five in Tyre Nichols case (Reuters)
Sixth officer suspended in Tyre Nichols death investigation (WaPo, January 30, 2023)
6th Memphis officer relieved of duty in Nichols arrest (Associated Press)
6th Memphis Police Officer Suspended in Tyre Nichols Death (NYT)
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Sixth Memphis police officer fired for role in arrest of Tyre Nichols (Guardian/AP, Feb 3, 2023)
In the section "Traffic stop and death" the following is stated "At about 8:25 p.m., a struggle began between the officers and Nichols; they attempted to pin Nichols to the ground, threatened him, yelled expletives, and used pepper spray and a taser on him. The pepper spray also hit several of the other officers. Ultimately, Nichols broke free and ran south on Ross Road, where he was pursued by at least two officers." This gives the impression that the taser was used before Nichols began to flee which is not the case. According to the CNN article this section cites "At 8:25 p.m., one officer sprays Nichols in the face with pepper spray. Nichols then struggles to his feet and begins running from the officer as one another shoots a taser at him that apparently didn’t make contact."
Incase I need to recite the article https://edition.cnn.com/2023/01/27/us/tyre-nichols-memphis-friday/index.html LetsMakeThingsRight ( talk) 03:33, 30 January 2023 (UTC)
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Please revert a portion of this unexplained previous edit, and add the following text back into the article:
The New York Times reported that Nichols repeatedly cried out for his mother and "[did] not appear to ever strike back" during the beating.
Thank you. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 20:21, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The same editor, AgntOtrth, has now changed this portion of the article again, this time removing sourcing from The New York Times and replacing the reference with a link to a Fox News story. Please revert this change, and roll back to the original wording and sourcing from The New York Times. Thank you. 98.155.8.5 ( talk) 19:15, 4 February 2023 (UTC)
The New York Times reported that Nichols repeatedly cried out for his mother and "[did] not appear to ever strike back" during the beating.
"Throughout the beating, which lasts about three minutes, Mr. Nichols does not appear to ever strike back. Several times, he moves his hands to cover his face, seeming to cower from the officers' blows."
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"U.S. Representative Steven Horsford, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus (CBC), invited Tyre Nichols' mother and stepfather, RowVaughn and Rodney Wells, to attend the 2023 State of the Union address. They accepted the invitation and attended the 2023 State of the Union address.
Source: https://www.reuters.com/world/us/tyre-nichols-mother-stepfather-attend-biden-state-union-speech-2023-01-30/ Hulemann ( talk) 11:16, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Omega Psi Phi (historically black fraternity) revoked the membership of three members/officers involved. https://news.yahoo.com/omega-psi-phi-fraternity-revokes-193850761.html Broadmoor ( talk)
Basic information to add to this article: exactly what did the two "confrontations" entail? 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 21:58, 25 January 2023 (UTC)
What’s the copyright status of the bodycam Videos and police telephone pole footage? Victor Grigas ( talk) 00:52, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
Does the footage show the first "confrontation"? 76.190.213.189 ( talk) 01:26, 28 January 2023 (UTC)
To maintain accurate and objective analysis of this tragedy, shouldn't we have a discussion of the extent to which Mr. Nichols was evading and/or resisting arrest? For example his flight on foot, which occurred after the officers' initial attempt to arrest? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:140:8300:C780:4CCC:D3E1:EFAA:E3C3 ( talk) 00:47, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
As for a legal perspective about the force he saw used in the video clip, Levitt said, "They clearly believe that he resisted arrest, that he ran, that he fought them, that he tried to grab their gun. I don’t have any reason to doubt what they’re saying, but the way they used force against him wouldn’t be appropriate in any context because the man is unarmed," Levitt said.
I believe the "original research" policy does not prohibit analysis of video by an editor. Here is a portion of the policy "The phrase "original research" (OR) is used on Wikipedia to refer to material—such as facts, allegations, and ideas—for which no reliable, published sources exist.[a] This includes any analysis or synthesis of published material that serves to reach or imply a conclusion not stated by the sources."
If I posted "Around 8:33pm, an officer that remained at original traffic stop, put on his tactical vest, entered his duty vehicle and proceed South on Ross." That is verifiable in video 1. Nothing suggests the video is unreliable. The statement is neutral statement of verifiable fact. As such, it does not violate the original research policy.
Also consider how openly biased the The New York Times is in its analysis of the videos. "71 impossible commands". Except within the first minutes of the traffic stop Nichols stated "I am on the ground", someone respond "on your stomach", to which Nichols responds "Ok" AgntOtrth ( talk) 22:50, 31 January 2023 (UTC)
In the first line of this article there is reference to five black police officers. Why is the white cop exonerated for his actions? Is Wikipedia following three lead of the Memphis police in attributing immediate guilt to only the black police officers present? 87.208.172.98 ( talk) 08:59, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
Hemphill is not charged with the death of Nichols. Where would you recommend he and hos race be mentioned? AgntOtrth ( talk) 09:02, 2 February 2023 (UTC)
The video only showed the five officers. Cwater1 ( talk) 19:37, 3 February 2023 (UTC)
The lead paragraph mentions 10 officers responded to the traffic stop. The evidence available does not support the statement. Does it stay in the article? AgntOtrth ( talk) 17:29, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
" 'About 10' Memphis Police officers responded to the Jan. 7 traffic stop in Hickory Hill, Police Chief C.J. Davis told city council Tuesday."
The race of the individuals that beat Nichols is mentioned in the opening paragraph. The race of Nichols is mentioned in the opening paragraph. Can we remove the redundant references to race in the People involved section? AgntOtrth ( talk) 05:43, 10 February 2023 (UTC)
The former officers are charged with assault. Tennessee does not have a battery crime statute. The United States nor individual States have a universally accepted definition for criminal battery or criminal assault. AgntOtrth ( talk) 00:32, 15 February 2023 (UTC)
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