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Who the daddy be? - Maury P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.131.210 ( talk) 02:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
This article should now be named "Death of Peter Connelly." There isn't a single other article about a murdered child named "Murder of Child/Baby..." Sure, children's names are not revealed prior to a trial, but it's time to change this article to the child's name. That's a no-brainer, I guess. Do people want to hold onto "Baby P" because it's become a buzzword? EdgarBacon ( talk) 15:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
It should be chaned to "The Death of Peter Connelly" now because the murdered child deserves to be known by his real name. I will be buying a new gravestone very shortly. ( 92.14.237.216 ( talk) 12:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC))
Agreed. It must be changed to "Peter Connelly". ( 92.13.5.1 ( talk) 19:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC))
Hmmm, let me see, the article name has sufficed for 9 months yet suddenly it becomes "idiotic" and "stupid"? These fallacious arguments have the tone of an outspoken SPA editor indef'd for similar opinionated rhetoric. I wonder if we have a sock here, someone who is fixated on getting the name "Connelly" out in as many public locations as possible. Nah, an agenda driven editor here on Wikipedia? Who would believe such a thing. -- Web Hamster 22:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The article needs to be changed to "Peter Connelly" at once, continuing to call him "Baby P" is a sick insult. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 10:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC))
I can't understand this "sick insult" stuff. In Britain for sure, and I would guess internationally, the case has considerable notability as the "Baby P" case and the child's real name has no notability. That this is the case is no insult to anyone and we should always follow the line of greatest notability. -- Dweller ( talk) 12:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Majorly is right. When there's a conflict between the two, Wikipedia names articles by how things are notably known, not by what is "correct". Hence dear old Dickie Bird's article isn't at Harold Bird and Buffalo Bill isn't at William Frederick Cody. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, everybody has known the murdered child by his real name of Peter Connelly since the very beginning. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 16:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC))
Actually, EVERYBODY knew his name was Peter Connelly because it was on thousands of sites all over the Internet from the very beginning. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 17:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC))
Every site I have seen refers to him by his real name of PETER CONNELLY. Oh, and by the way, you can't keep any names secret at all in the modern age, which is why this stupid court order was lifted. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 16:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC))
The article title must be changed to "The Murder of Peter Connelly" because that is what everyone knows him as now, just as James Bulger's article is entitled "The Murder of James Bulger". ( 92.14.233.10 ( talk) 21:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC))
Probably not the most important of facts here, but with regard to something I asked last night (now at the bottom of the Archive page), if this BBC article is correct then the court order expired at 23.00 BST (22.00 GMT), not midnight as I'd been led to believe. Loganberry ( Talk) 15:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
In the section about the name of this article, there are concerns that the name "Baby P" is being used because it is "hip", "cool", etc. This may be true, and it strikes me as being another facet of this terrible tale. It would be good to see some reliable sources about how this story & moniker is being used in popular culture. I don't come empty handed: [1] [2] John Vandenberg ( chat) 13:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
The article needs to mention that the cause of death was MURDER, following 17 months of horrific abuse. ( 92.11.168.163 ( talk) 21:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC))
No, it was murder - Stephen Barker deliberately snapped Peter Connelly's spine in order to end his life, after pulling his fingernails off with pliars - something the article should also mention. ( 92.9.187.66 ( talk) 22:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC))
Peter Connelly, President Kennedy and Jack the Ripper's victims were indeed all MURDERED. ( 92.11.196.183 ( talk) 10:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC))
We don't usually delete contributions to talk pages on Wikipedia which may disagree with us, do we, unless they are clearly vandalism? John Stuart Mill, anyone? -- Straw Cat ( talk) 11:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
September the 3rd : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/baby-p/6119918/Baby-P-Sharon-Shoesmith-compares-her-treatment-to-that-of-James-Bulgers-murderers.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.204.16 ( talk) 00:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
If anyone could get around to it, it's high-time this page was released from semi-protection. As it stands, this case is now relatively quite now, and has been protected for two years. -- Τασουλα ( talk) 21:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Excessive vandalism: let him rest in peace; he didn't deserve that. Indef is appropriate until these ghouls have kids of their own.-- Trevj ( talk) 14:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
It might be time to protect this article again as it's just been decided Tracey Connelly is going to be released from prison within days here's the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24446126
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Who the daddy be? - Maury P. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 89.79.131.210 ( talk) 02:58, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
This article should now be named "Death of Peter Connelly." There isn't a single other article about a murdered child named "Murder of Child/Baby..." Sure, children's names are not revealed prior to a trial, but it's time to change this article to the child's name. That's a no-brainer, I guess. Do people want to hold onto "Baby P" because it's become a buzzword? EdgarBacon ( talk) 15:01, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
It should be chaned to "The Death of Peter Connelly" now because the murdered child deserves to be known by his real name. I will be buying a new gravestone very shortly. ( 92.14.237.216 ( talk) 12:10, 12 August 2009 (UTC))
Agreed. It must be changed to "Peter Connelly". ( 92.13.5.1 ( talk) 19:48, 12 August 2009 (UTC))
Hmmm, let me see, the article name has sufficed for 9 months yet suddenly it becomes "idiotic" and "stupid"? These fallacious arguments have the tone of an outspoken SPA editor indef'd for similar opinionated rhetoric. I wonder if we have a sock here, someone who is fixated on getting the name "Connelly" out in as many public locations as possible. Nah, an agenda driven editor here on Wikipedia? Who would believe such a thing. -- Web Hamster 22:43, 12 August 2009 (UTC)
The article needs to be changed to "Peter Connelly" at once, continuing to call him "Baby P" is a sick insult. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 10:32, 13 August 2009 (UTC))
I can't understand this "sick insult" stuff. In Britain for sure, and I would guess internationally, the case has considerable notability as the "Baby P" case and the child's real name has no notability. That this is the case is no insult to anyone and we should always follow the line of greatest notability. -- Dweller ( talk) 12:35, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Majorly is right. When there's a conflict between the two, Wikipedia names articles by how things are notably known, not by what is "correct". Hence dear old Dickie Bird's article isn't at Harold Bird and Buffalo Bill isn't at William Frederick Cody. -- Dweller ( talk) 14:07, 13 August 2009 (UTC)
Actually, everybody has known the murdered child by his real name of Peter Connelly since the very beginning. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 16:42, 13 August 2009 (UTC))
Actually, EVERYBODY knew his name was Peter Connelly because it was on thousands of sites all over the Internet from the very beginning. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 17:27, 13 August 2009 (UTC))
Every site I have seen refers to him by his real name of PETER CONNELLY. Oh, and by the way, you can't keep any names secret at all in the modern age, which is why this stupid court order was lifted. ( CarlosJohnstone ( talk) 16:34, 14 August 2009 (UTC))
The article title must be changed to "The Murder of Peter Connelly" because that is what everyone knows him as now, just as James Bulger's article is entitled "The Murder of James Bulger". ( 92.14.233.10 ( talk) 21:03, 19 August 2009 (UTC))
Probably not the most important of facts here, but with regard to something I asked last night (now at the bottom of the Archive page), if this BBC article is correct then the court order expired at 23.00 BST (22.00 GMT), not midnight as I'd been led to believe. Loganberry ( Talk) 15:53, 11 August 2009 (UTC)
In the section about the name of this article, there are concerns that the name "Baby P" is being used because it is "hip", "cool", etc. This may be true, and it strikes me as being another facet of this terrible tale. It would be good to see some reliable sources about how this story & moniker is being used in popular culture. I don't come empty handed: [1] [2] John Vandenberg ( chat) 13:00, 14 August 2009 (UTC)
The article needs to mention that the cause of death was MURDER, following 17 months of horrific abuse. ( 92.11.168.163 ( talk) 21:49, 18 August 2009 (UTC))
No, it was murder - Stephen Barker deliberately snapped Peter Connelly's spine in order to end his life, after pulling his fingernails off with pliars - something the article should also mention. ( 92.9.187.66 ( talk) 22:14, 18 August 2009 (UTC))
Peter Connelly, President Kennedy and Jack the Ripper's victims were indeed all MURDERED. ( 92.11.196.183 ( talk) 10:58, 20 August 2009 (UTC))
We don't usually delete contributions to talk pages on Wikipedia which may disagree with us, do we, unless they are clearly vandalism? John Stuart Mill, anyone? -- Straw Cat ( talk) 11:32, 20 August 2009 (UTC)
September the 3rd : http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/baby-p/6119918/Baby-P-Sharon-Shoesmith-compares-her-treatment-to-that-of-James-Bulgers-murderers.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.133.204.16 ( talk) 00:40, 3 September 2009 (UTC)
If anyone could get around to it, it's high-time this page was released from semi-protection. As it stands, this case is now relatively quite now, and has been protected for two years. -- Τασουλα ( talk) 21:55, 21 June 2012 (UTC)
Excessive vandalism: let him rest in peace; he didn't deserve that. Indef is appropriate until these ghouls have kids of their own.-- Trevj ( talk) 14:07, 15 October 2012 (UTC)
It might be time to protect this article again as it's just been decided Tracey Connelly is going to be released from prison within days here's the link http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-24446126
Veryscarymary ( talk) 19:25, 8 October 2013 (UTC)
Hello fellow Wikipedians,
I have just added archive links to 2 external links on
Death of Baby P. Please take a moment to review
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