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However, in 1998, the District Attorney (DA) said that due to a new DNA analysis, none of the immediate family members were under suspicion for the crime.
That definitely did not happen in 1998, when the Ramseys clearly were under suspicion. The paragraph below gives the correct order of events:
In 2002, the DA's successor took over investigation of the case from the police and primarily pursued the theory that an intruder had committed the killing. In 2003, trace DNA that was taken from the victim's clothes was found to belong to an unknown male; each of the family's DNA had been excluded from this match. The DA sent the Ramseys a letter of apology in 2008, declaring the family "completely cleared" by the DNA results.
Belteshazzar ( talk) 22:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
I see now that the detail about Burke was in the intro even before this erroneous statement was inserted in front of it. Is it necessary to note in the intro that Burke was not considered a suspect? If so, should the intro also note that John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey were ruled out early due to strong alibis? Actually, that point doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the current article. Belteshazzar ( talk) 00:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
"Unbeknownst to him, JonBenét's body was on the other side of the door." It's not a sure fact that the body was in that room at that time. Even if a source says it was, the source doesn't know for sure. That's why I tried to change it to "JonBenét's body was later found behind this door." Belteshazzar ( talk) 00:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Some elaboration needed. Why was there a charge called obstruction of investigation of murder?
EasyBeginning ( talk) 14:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
The article states:
The current first paragraph of the "Intruder theory" section seems rather incoherent:
The second theory is the intruder theory. The Ramseys developed a relationship with District Attorney Mary Lacy and her office, which was criticized by authorities such as the city's mayor, Leslie L Durgin. Although the police may have still suspected the Ramseys, they and the prosecutors followed leads for intruders partly due to the unidentified boot mark left in the basement room where JonBenét's body was found. The police routinely ignored leads to any suspects outside of the family.
The second sentence doesn't seem to flow from the first. The last two sentences appear to contradict each other, even though both are sourced. Overall, this doesn't seem like a good introduction to the intruder theory. Belteshazzar ( talk) 05:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I would think putting imperial first is correct. The template could be on of these:
{{convert|3|ft|11|in|cm}}
→ 3 feet 11 inches (119 cm){{convert|120|cm|ftin|order=flip}}
→ 3 feet 11 inches (120 cm){{convert|47|in|ftin cm|order=out}}
→ 3 feet 11 inches (120 cm)Johnuniq ( talk) 08:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't know whether this is useful but here is a source that another editor dug up:
For those unfamiliar with Reddit, the "I AM A..." posts are generally considered to be reliable for direct quotes and other WP:PRIMARY uses because the person has to prove their identity (in this case, here: [ https://imgur.com/VUQkIjw ]).
Interestingly, former Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner deleted his responses on Reddit [2]. The above is an archived copy published by the Denver Post. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 09:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
The article contains an arguably transphobic passage that accuses one of the suspects of wanting to undergo gender reassignment surgery in order to prey on little girls, and the source that is cited is the Daily Beast, which is a right-wing news site that is notorious for spreading misinformation and conspiracies. Including those of a transphobic nature. 2607:FEA8:E280:38C0:353D:5F6A:D411:D1C ( talk) 05:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, Daily Beast is considered reliable:
“The court bemoaned the existence of self-proclaimed experts – without credentials – trying to wrangle their way into the case by accusing Patsy without scientific basis.” The wording is strange and it doesn’t belong here as it seems relatively biased. Saladcreameliminator ( talk) 04:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 18:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Death of JonBenét Ramsey → Killing of JonBenét Ramsey – Per WP:DEATHS, the form "Death of..." is should be used for titles of articles detailing accidents or natural cuases— Which is not the case here. violent deaths should indicate it within their headers as 'Killing of.. Inf-in MD ( talk) 23:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC) Inf-in MD ( talk) 23:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Should the investigation section say that genetic genealogy is being considered for the case? Here is a link. https://whnt.com/news/could-new-dna-tech-crack-the-jonbenet-ramsey-case/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shktriib1 ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
The intro of this article should start with what is about - The killing of JonBenét Ramsey was a murder case of a six-year-old American girl that happened inside of her family's home in Boulder, Colorado, not; JonBenét Patricia Ramsey (August 6, 1990 – December 25 or 26, 1996) was an American child beauty queen who was killed at the age of six in her family's home in Boulder, Colorado. This article talks completely about the killing of this child and not her biography, yes it has just a small section of who was her, but only that, the full article is about her killing and so the main should start just like this. Same as with the article of Mexican suspicious death victim - Paulette Gebara Farah, who died almost in the same circumstances as JonBenét. Even the title of the infobox should be matching with the article name Killing of JonBenét Ramsey, not JonBenét Ramsey.
In addition, regarding her place of death, same as with the case of Paulette in Mexico, we should took off the place of death mentioned since we have not the assurance that JonBenét was rightly killed on her home, she could probably have been taken somewhere else, a different place, and later her body was brought back to her house. Since almost everything regarding her passing is just a mistery, we should just keep the death date which should have the "Circa" template since is just an approximation to the date she could probably have died, but not the exact known death date, the same as with Paulette Gebara. TheBellaTwins1445 ( talk) 07:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no support here for the edits that were reverted on March 6-9, so I will remove the "Disputed section" template. 63.226.201.102 ( talk) 07:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
The comment says The Denver Post (a sister paper of the Daily Camera)...
. I've lived in the Denver-Boulder area my whole live, and I have never anywhere else heard the Denver Post referred to as a "sister paper" of the Daily Camera. They're owned by different companies. Denver and Boulder are different cities. I suppose this is a minor point, but it does imply a relation between these papers that I don't believe exists. -
Scarpy (
talk)
04:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 November 2022 and 16 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Jahnaiyabonaparte (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
JJbrady623,
Alexusghopkins.
— Assignment last updated by Ctysick ( talk) 12:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)
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However, in 1998, the District Attorney (DA) said that due to a new DNA analysis, none of the immediate family members were under suspicion for the crime.
That definitely did not happen in 1998, when the Ramseys clearly were under suspicion. The paragraph below gives the correct order of events:
In 2002, the DA's successor took over investigation of the case from the police and primarily pursued the theory that an intruder had committed the killing. In 2003, trace DNA that was taken from the victim's clothes was found to belong to an unknown male; each of the family's DNA had been excluded from this match. The DA sent the Ramseys a letter of apology in 2008, declaring the family "completely cleared" by the DNA results.
Belteshazzar ( talk) 22:15, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
I see now that the detail about Burke was in the intro even before this erroneous statement was inserted in front of it. Is it necessary to note in the intro that Burke was not considered a suspect? If so, should the intro also note that John Andrew and Melinda Ramsey were ruled out early due to strong alibis? Actually, that point doesn't seem to appear anywhere in the current article. Belteshazzar ( talk) 00:24, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
"Unbeknownst to him, JonBenét's body was on the other side of the door." It's not a sure fact that the body was in that room at that time. Even if a source says it was, the source doesn't know for sure. That's why I tried to change it to "JonBenét's body was later found behind this door." Belteshazzar ( talk) 00:47, 13 May 2020 (UTC)
Some elaboration needed. Why was there a charge called obstruction of investigation of murder?
EasyBeginning ( talk) 14:48, 5 July 2020 (UTC)
The article states:
The current first paragraph of the "Intruder theory" section seems rather incoherent:
The second theory is the intruder theory. The Ramseys developed a relationship with District Attorney Mary Lacy and her office, which was criticized by authorities such as the city's mayor, Leslie L Durgin. Although the police may have still suspected the Ramseys, they and the prosecutors followed leads for intruders partly due to the unidentified boot mark left in the basement room where JonBenét's body was found. The police routinely ignored leads to any suspects outside of the family.
The second sentence doesn't seem to flow from the first. The last two sentences appear to contradict each other, even though both are sourced. Overall, this doesn't seem like a good introduction to the intruder theory. Belteshazzar ( talk) 05:25, 24 July 2020 (UTC)
I would think putting imperial first is correct. The template could be on of these:
{{convert|3|ft|11|in|cm}}
→ 3 feet 11 inches (119 cm){{convert|120|cm|ftin|order=flip}}
→ 3 feet 11 inches (120 cm){{convert|47|in|ftin cm|order=out}}
→ 3 feet 11 inches (120 cm)Johnuniq ( talk) 08:35, 5 November 2020 (UTC)
I don't know whether this is useful but here is a source that another editor dug up:
For those unfamiliar with Reddit, the "I AM A..." posts are generally considered to be reliable for direct quotes and other WP:PRIMARY uses because the person has to prove their identity (in this case, here: [ https://imgur.com/VUQkIjw ]).
Interestingly, former Boulder Police Chief Mark Beckner deleted his responses on Reddit [2]. The above is an archived copy published by the Denver Post. -- Guy Macon ( talk) 09:25, 6 February 2021 (UTC)
The article contains an arguably transphobic passage that accuses one of the suspects of wanting to undergo gender reassignment surgery in order to prey on little girls, and the source that is cited is the Daily Beast, which is a right-wing news site that is notorious for spreading misinformation and conspiracies. Including those of a transphobic nature. 2607:FEA8:E280:38C0:353D:5F6A:D411:D1C ( talk) 05:25, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Per Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources, Daily Beast is considered reliable:
“The court bemoaned the existence of self-proclaimed experts – without credentials – trying to wrangle their way into the case by accusing Patsy without scientific basis.” The wording is strange and it doesn’t belong here as it seems relatively biased. Saladcreameliminator ( talk) 04:51, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: moved. ( closed by non-admin page mover) Elli ( talk | contribs) 18:27, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
Death of JonBenét Ramsey → Killing of JonBenét Ramsey – Per WP:DEATHS, the form "Death of..." is should be used for titles of articles detailing accidents or natural cuases— Which is not the case here. violent deaths should indicate it within their headers as 'Killing of.. Inf-in MD ( talk) 23:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC) Inf-in MD ( talk) 23:50, 11 October 2021 (UTC)
Should the investigation section say that genetic genealogy is being considered for the case? Here is a link. https://whnt.com/news/could-new-dna-tech-crack-the-jonbenet-ramsey-case/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Shktriib1 ( talk • contribs) 22:35, 22 February 2022 (UTC)
The intro of this article should start with what is about - The killing of JonBenét Ramsey was a murder case of a six-year-old American girl that happened inside of her family's home in Boulder, Colorado, not; JonBenét Patricia Ramsey (August 6, 1990 – December 25 or 26, 1996) was an American child beauty queen who was killed at the age of six in her family's home in Boulder, Colorado. This article talks completely about the killing of this child and not her biography, yes it has just a small section of who was her, but only that, the full article is about her killing and so the main should start just like this. Same as with the article of Mexican suspicious death victim - Paulette Gebara Farah, who died almost in the same circumstances as JonBenét. Even the title of the infobox should be matching with the article name Killing of JonBenét Ramsey, not JonBenét Ramsey.
In addition, regarding her place of death, same as with the case of Paulette in Mexico, we should took off the place of death mentioned since we have not the assurance that JonBenét was rightly killed on her home, she could probably have been taken somewhere else, a different place, and later her body was brought back to her house. Since almost everything regarding her passing is just a mistery, we should just keep the death date which should have the "Circa" template since is just an approximation to the date she could probably have died, but not the exact known death date, the same as with Paulette Gebara. TheBellaTwins1445 ( talk) 07:26, 9 March 2022 (UTC)
There is no support here for the edits that were reverted on March 6-9, so I will remove the "Disputed section" template. 63.226.201.102 ( talk) 07:38, 14 August 2022 (UTC)
The comment says The Denver Post (a sister paper of the Daily Camera)...
. I've lived in the Denver-Boulder area my whole live, and I have never anywhere else heard the Denver Post referred to as a "sister paper" of the Daily Camera. They're owned by different companies. Denver and Boulder are different cities. I suppose this is a minor point, but it does imply a relation between these papers that I don't believe exists. -
Scarpy (
talk)
04:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 7 November 2022 and 16 December 2022. Further details are available
on the course page. Student editor(s):
Jahnaiyabonaparte (
article contribs). Peer reviewers:
JJbrady623,
Alexusghopkins.
— Assignment last updated by Ctysick ( talk) 12:33, 5 December 2022 (UTC)