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Hello. I'm not a regular contributor to Wikipedia so apologies in advance if my formatting is off, but I wanted to ask if a piece of additional information would be relevant for this page & fit Wikipedia's standards. This shooting has been on my mind for the past couple weeks in part because David McAtee was killed around midnight EST, but his body wasn't removed from the street until over 12 hours later (sometime in the early afternoon). There is photo documentation on Twitter of police standing on duty around his body in daylight while a crowd is gathered around on the opposite side of the street. May this information be sourced per Wikipedia guidelines & added to the article? Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.239.10 ( talk) 14:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
SL93 (
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02:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Created by Fram ( talk) and Leaky.Solar ( talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) at 22:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC).
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Overall: This is an informative article and the hook is good. Piped link is better pointing to Police body camera. Please add the weblink to the citation here and on the article put it on the previous sentence to reference the claim directly. Then it's good to go. Mujinga ( talk) 17:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move ( closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 18:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Shooting of David McAtee →
Killing of David McAtee – As per loads of wikipedia articles which have Murder of instead of how they died.
see this category for examples. More neutral title. Note not murder as no one convicted of it. Can be moved when convicted.
Games of the world (
talk)
18:34, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
It doesn't seem
WP:NPOV to place in the lead unqualified that the victim "opened fire on officers before being killed." The acting police chief prefaces his statement with appears and says many questions remain: This video appears to show Mr. McAtee firing a gun outside of his business door as officers, who are using pepper balls to clear the Dino's (Food Mart) lot, were approaching his business. This video does not provide all the answers. But we are releasing it to provide transparency. It does not answer every question, including why did he fire and where were police at the time he fired?
It does not answer every question, including why did he fire and where were police at the time he fired?
[4] Another officer said with reservation using appears: 'At this point,' it appears McAtee fired first.
[5] This seems too
WP:RSBREAKING with many unknowns to be investigated to present in the lead right now. It is already mentioned in the body, and can be expanded there as needed.—
Bagumba (
talk)
03:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Especially considering the consensus among many activists in Louisville that he wasn't brandishing a gun, he had barbeque tongs in his hand. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2607:FCC8:B74E:B600:A9BC:FFB:CE1E:54EA (
talk)
06:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Robbob606 has repeatedly added that "multiple video surveillance’s" showed McAtee firing at police.
[6] The
New York Times article they cited in their last edit says Then came the sound of a shot — his, according to the police — followed by a string of shots from the police and National Guard.
It didn't say that video shows he shot at them. The article also says the police recovered six handguns and one shotgun from the crime scene.
Was it him who fired at them? Another statement by the police said McAtee fired his weapon out the door of his business as police approached.
. Again, does not say video shows he fired at them. Is there a reliable source that says that video shows that he fired at them? While, it is the official's current position that he did, but it's not directly from video.—
Bagumba (
talk)
12:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Bagumba, doesn't MOS say that we're supposed to spell out abbreviations once in the lead and on the first use in the body? I could've sworn it does, but can't find the guidance I'm thinking of. – Muboshgu ( talk) 02:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
The coordinates listed in this article appear to be the exact same as the ones in the article for the Shooting of Breonna Taylor. Why is this? TheAmazingRaspberry ( talk) 16:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I've moved this per policy at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (violence and deaths) —valereee ( talk) 14:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
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Hello. I'm not a regular contributor to Wikipedia so apologies in advance if my formatting is off, but I wanted to ask if a piece of additional information would be relevant for this page & fit Wikipedia's standards. This shooting has been on my mind for the past couple weeks in part because David McAtee was killed around midnight EST, but his body wasn't removed from the street until over 12 hours later (sometime in the early afternoon). There is photo documentation on Twitter of police standing on duty around his body in daylight while a crowd is gathered around on the opposite side of the street. May this information be sourced per Wikipedia guidelines & added to the article? Thank you in advance! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.163.239.10 ( talk) 14:18, 10 June 2020 (UTC)
The result was: promoted by
SL93 (
talk)
02:58, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
Created by Fram ( talk) and Leaky.Solar ( talk). Nominated by The Squirrel Conspiracy ( talk) at 22:34, 2 June 2020 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: This is an informative article and the hook is good. Piped link is better pointing to Police body camera. Please add the weblink to the citation here and on the article put it on the previous sentence to reference the claim directly. Then it's good to go. Mujinga ( talk) 17:51, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: no consensus to move ( closed by non-admin page mover) Mdaniels5757 ( talk) 18:38, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
Shooting of David McAtee →
Killing of David McAtee – As per loads of wikipedia articles which have Murder of instead of how they died.
see this category for examples. More neutral title. Note not murder as no one convicted of it. Can be moved when convicted.
Games of the world (
talk)
18:34, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
It doesn't seem
WP:NPOV to place in the lead unqualified that the victim "opened fire on officers before being killed." The acting police chief prefaces his statement with appears and says many questions remain: This video appears to show Mr. McAtee firing a gun outside of his business door as officers, who are using pepper balls to clear the Dino's (Food Mart) lot, were approaching his business. This video does not provide all the answers. But we are releasing it to provide transparency. It does not answer every question, including why did he fire and where were police at the time he fired?
It does not answer every question, including why did he fire and where were police at the time he fired?
[4] Another officer said with reservation using appears: 'At this point,' it appears McAtee fired first.
[5] This seems too
WP:RSBREAKING with many unknowns to be investigated to present in the lead right now. It is already mentioned in the body, and can be expanded there as needed.—
Bagumba (
talk)
03:22, 4 June 2020 (UTC)
Especially considering the consensus among many activists in Louisville that he wasn't brandishing a gun, he had barbeque tongs in his hand. — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
2607:FCC8:B74E:B600:A9BC:FFB:CE1E:54EA (
talk)
06:11, 7 June 2020 (UTC)
Robbob606 has repeatedly added that "multiple video surveillance’s" showed McAtee firing at police.
[6] The
New York Times article they cited in their last edit says Then came the sound of a shot — his, according to the police — followed by a string of shots from the police and National Guard.
It didn't say that video shows he shot at them. The article also says the police recovered six handguns and one shotgun from the crime scene.
Was it him who fired at them? Another statement by the police said McAtee fired his weapon out the door of his business as police approached.
. Again, does not say video shows he fired at them. Is there a reliable source that says that video shows that he fired at them? While, it is the official's current position that he did, but it's not directly from video.—
Bagumba (
talk)
12:24, 21 June 2020 (UTC)
Bagumba, doesn't MOS say that we're supposed to spell out abbreviations once in the lead and on the first use in the body? I could've sworn it does, but can't find the guidance I'm thinking of. – Muboshgu ( talk) 02:29, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
The coordinates listed in this article appear to be the exact same as the ones in the article for the Shooting of Breonna Taylor. Why is this? TheAmazingRaspberry ( talk) 16:53, 23 August 2020 (UTC)
I've moved this per policy at Wikipedia:Naming conventions (violence and deaths) —valereee ( talk) 14:38, 21 December 2021 (UTC)