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the background chapter seems not related. thanks 36.90.62.235 ( talk) 04:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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Daunte Wright had an outstanding warrant for gross misdemeanor carrying a pistol without permit and misdemeanor fleeing police. The warrant issued April 2nd after he failed to appear for court.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, this information is pretty substantively covered already, see Killing of Daunte Wright#Participants. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 17:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Hey, friends. So, we have this video in the External links section. The video does indeed show what it is supposed to, but we need to find a better one. This one must be a screen recording, because there is a notification sound, followed by a menu popup which is clicked to mute a Facebook conversation or something, and it also ends with the VLC logo and a man saying "Can you turn the lights back on, please." If anyone can link to a better video, that would be great. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 21:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
What does the Derek Chauvin trial and George Floyd have to do with this incident? This is very simple, it should not be part of this wiki page. Chauvin / Floyd is a completely legitimate subject, just not here. Where does it end on what should be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douggmc ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
(courtesy pinging @ Magnolia677 and Minnemeeples:) It has been added (and subsequently removed) a number of times 1) the close proximity of this shooting and the scene of the George Floyd incident and 2) the fact that it is happening during the ongoing trial. So, let's discuss. Are either of these worth mentioning in the article? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 15:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
The characterizing of the killing as "accidental" or the discharge of the weapon as "accidental" should not be used. "Negligent" or its grammatical permutations should be used in its place. As an example, the officer "negligently discharged" her firearm. Douggmc ( talk) 20:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Could also Mention this kid that was shot https://www.startribune.com/authorities-identify-man-shot-and-killed-by-brooklyn-center-police/559357722/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:6600:13:65F9:21D0:2127:ED8D ( talk) 16:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Recent consensus at the Manual of Style ( MOS:PEOPLANG) suggests that either the lowercase "black" or the capitalized "Black" may be used, as long as we're consistent. Would anyone object to using capitalized ethno-racial color labels on this page moving forward? This would mean changing all current uses (except in quotes) to "Black" and using "White" if it ever comes up. Most of our current sources are using the capitalized form. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 18:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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Include details of Mr Wright's criminal convictions and his outstanding arrest warrants. 92.233.186.120 ( talk) 18:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Correct name according to various outlets:
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Wright's mother is White. Isn't it more accurate to describe him as biracial that as African-American or Black? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:30C:1B00:40AD:7043:1E69:CB40 ( talk) 14:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@
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the most recent edit, the line that said At the time of the shooting, Potter was
field training another officer.
was inexplicably removed, as well as the line Potter was holding the firearm for at least seven seconds before discharging it.
Additionally, the line that said, Wright struggled with the officers, broke free, and got back behind the wheel of his vehicle. Potter said, "I'll tase you", and then yelled, "Taser! Taser! Taser!"
was changed to Wright resisted arrest, broke free from the arresting officer's grasp, and sat back down in the car. Potter took out her firearm, warned Wright that she would tase him, pointed it at him as she shouted "Taser! Taser! Taser!", and shot him.
"Resisting arrest" is a rather vague term that may imply
a specific criminal charge, so I feel that the former wording was better from a copyediting standpoint. Additionally, I'm not sure why it's better to paraphrase the quote "I'll tase you".
Mz7 (
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Potter and two other Brooklyn Center police officers pulled over Wright, .... However, it is not clear from the sources whether Potter and two other officers initiated the traffic stop from the very beginning, or whether it was just one or two of the two officers that initiated the stop, and then another later joined the traffic stop as backup. Also, it's not clear from the sources what the timing of when Potter drew her weapon was—before or after "I'll tase you"—the copyedit seems to imply that it was before. Mz7 ( talk) 19:50, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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Daunte Wright was shot after he tried to flee the crime. The officer mistook a taser for a gun and discharged a single shot after Mr.Wright was already attempting to flee the scene. 2600:8800:6A07:8500:8055:D1B8:5C9D:9A41 ( talk) 14:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
The article currently reads "After being shot, Wright attempted to flee but crashed his vehicle into another and hit a cement barrier. He was pronounced dead at the scene.[6]" He was shot AFTER attempting to flee. It's backwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobylewisii ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
After a brief struggle with officers, Wright was shot, and then attempted to flee but...What he was doing is speculative, but source report there was a struggle with officers, it didn't indicate that the struggle was him trying to flee or not. It doesn't say he actually fled until after he was shot. WikiVirus C (talk) 21:53, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Why is this marked as a killing? Obviously the police officer was negligent but Wright resisted arrest, the police officer didn't intend on killing him nor did she shoot him for no reason.
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The sentence "He was a father a young child" is ungrammatical. It could be rewritten as "He was the father of a young child." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahenke ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
I can't believe I even need to make this section, but here are the RS for calling Wright "Black", including the medical examiner's report:
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This is a law suit waiting to happen. This is inaccurate and inappropriate to have a Wikipedia page already when people are still trying to unravel the truth. The legitimacy of that warrant is hugely under question, as well as various other details. I’ve donated money to you guys before, if you don’t fix this I won’t ever donate to you again. Because I don’t want my money wasted on bias non fact based opinions by right wing media. I’m also not donating for you guys to deal with legal battles. Ridiculous. 2604:3D09:697E:9A70:1D8D:251C:7D87:3198 ( talk) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
The statement from Obama is repeated ~2 sentences after it is initially stated. The article should pick one place and cover it there; since Obama is no longer an official, I'd suggest the statement in the celebrities and public figures section be retained. 71.32.136.237 ( talk) 16:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm here because of the google search I made. When I googled the killing of Daunte Wright, I noticed that Google infobox contained details the infobox refrenced in this Wikipedia article instead of the head information. Whoa, Holy Smokes. Xfhxzf ( talk) April 15, 2021, 19:55 (MST)
Given this page is going to end up pretty high on search engines when people look for information on Daunte Wright, could we include a pronunciation for his name? It's not exactly intuitive if you haven't heard it spoken out loud. 2A02:C7F:6C58:7A00:25A5:B4FC:A322:5169 ( talk) 13:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
This article is a little confusing at the moment regarding which specific arrest warrant the officers were executing during the incident. The "Participants" section notes that Wright had a misdemeanor warrant, citing
this Snopes article, while the lead states that the incident was an attempted arrest for outstanding felony warrants
, and the "Traffic stop" section states Officers ran Wright's name through a police database and learned that he had an open arrest warrant stemming from pending charges for first-degree felony aggravated robbery with a firearm.
The latter felony warrant information cites
this Fox News article, which merely states that Wright had an arrest warrant "related to an aggravated armed robbery attempt" (the article does not explicitly mention this is a felony). The Fox News article goes on to clarify that "Police then tried to arrest him on an outstanding warrant after failing to appear in court on charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police in June". It is therefore not clear to me whether the police officers arresting Wright were even aware of the felony arrest warrant at the time. I'm going to edit the article shortly to make this clear. The current lead wording is also problematic even if the officers knew about the felony warrant, because it implies multiple felony warrants.
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thanks @ Mz7:. The article seems to be in better shape now. I think there has indeed been a fair amount of confusion recently about the precise nature of the warrant that prompted the arrest attempt. In addition to the clarifying Snopes article you mentioned, another helpful explication, posted yesterday, is at https://www.insider.com/daunte-wright-details-of-charges-warrants-before-killed-by-police-2021-4 Biblib ( talk) 20:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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Daunte is bi-racial and to discount his white heritage is not only irresponsible but reprehensible. I believe the mis representation of his proper heritage is an attempt to stoke racial hatred. Do better be better 70.21.183.78 ( talk) 11:29, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
How long should we with before creating a page for Daunte Wright that isn't a redirect to this article? In George Floyd's case, it was about two weeks or so. The consensus was that he was notable for more than just his death. Comm260 ncu ( talk) 17:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
In the phone call section, due to its wording and omission of information, it gives a biased and not factual opinion. We should include that he was not pulled over for an air freshener. He was stopped for expired plates, and officers responding soon realized who he was because a warrant was issued for his arrest after he missed a court appearance for aggravated robbery. Sqorg ( talk) 11:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
WWGB removed additional dialogue between Potter and other officers captured on the body camera footage. I believe it is relevant context. After Potter said, "Oh, shit! I shot him," another officer replied back to Potter. He said, "Oh wow." [6] Potter replied back, "Yes!" [7] The latter part of the dialogue is necessary to understand the context of Potter's reaction. Potter said that initial expression of astonishment directly to other officers on the scene, one of whom replied back with an expression of astonishment, too, and Potter reacted affirmatively to it. Some sources describe this dialogue as Potter appearing stunned or surprised. Potter was charged with with second-degree manslaughter, but many people protesting Wright's death believe Potter knowingly fired her gun intentionally to kill Wright and that she should face a more serious murder charge for it. While Potter's intention is not known definitively to put in encyclopedic voice, it does serves an encyclopedic purpose to include slightly more dialogue as they reacted to the chaotic scene. Minnemeeples ( talk) 06:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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Second sentence of 2.1 "traffic stop" appears to have misleading link, incorrectly directing reader interested in "registration tag" to license plate when it appears to be auto registration sticker on the license plate. My state of New Jersey has no registration stickers pasted on / affixed to cars at all, also found documentation of same for PA and CT [1], so may be confusing for people in those states, and possibly confusing for other big states like New York and Texas that put registration sticker in windshield (District of Columbia). More information and a more correct description can be found here "Showing current registration on United States license plates".
There is a helpful looking photo on MN car registration DMV page, but wikipedia experience limited and may not be needed.
The sentence:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [2] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired registration tag.
Might better be written as:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [4] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired restration tag/sticker on license plate.
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Second sentence of 2.1 "traffic stop" appears to have misleading link, incorrectly directing reader interested in "registration tag" to license plate when it appears to be auto registration sticker on the license plate. My state of New Jersey has no registration stickers pasted on / affixed to cars at all, also found documentation of same for PA and CT [1], so may be confusing for people in those states, and possibly confusing for other big states like New York and Texas that put registration sticker in windshield (District of Columbia). More information and a more correct description can be found here "Showing current registration on United States license plates".
There is a helpful looking photo on MN car registration DMV page, but wikipedia experience limited and may not be needed.
The sentence:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [2] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired registration tag.
Might better be written as:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [4] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired restration tag/sticker on license plate.
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Include a reference link to the Minnesota statute for second degree manslaughter where it mentions that Potter is charged with it: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205 184.103.204.27 ( talk) 06:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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Per CNN (1:15PM Anna Cabrera show) he was stopped by the police due to an expired car tag. 98.211.212.227 ( talk) 17:20, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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Add his photo from Facebook showing aiming gun and be honest about Criminal activity!! 2600:1702:300:F300:64D6:807B:1AD3:19C9 ( talk) 04:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, I am starting this section to question 75.101.40.5's restoration of the resignation quotes into the article ( diff). I removed them because Potter's quote is incredibly vague and general and it's unclear how Ali's statement is notable enough to include here. It's a lot of speculation from him, the specific words are not notable in their own right, and extended quotes are usually avoided as they push against WP:NPOV. What do other editors think? I'm genuinely curious to hear what these add to the article other than "context". — Wingedserif ( talk) 04:17, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I restored the painstakingly detailed circumstances of the unfortunate and ultimately fatal traffic stop and arrest of Wright. They were in stories by Fox and the Washington Examiner. Neither are my favorite sources by any stretch, but the reporters in these cases did an exhaustive job, securing original documents from the public record as part of the basis of their stories. Fox has consistently done bad jobs on important news (especially, i.e., the bogus reasons for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, but in that case, so did the New York Times) and the Washington Times has shown its bias. It does not mean that they get everything wrong. I personally like the latter because they retain Associated Press stories, keeping them available long after they disappear from other sources, so I've used them often to avoid links that otherwise often go dead. I didn't realize that any of this was posted prior to my own edits, and there was no record of discussion on this Talk page. I didn't use the "Betz" ref name, though Betz was named in the citations that I left. The critical info in this situation had nothing to do with air fresheners, and whether or not Wright's tags were expired. The vehicle was stopped, and to my mind it was handled badly even before the unfortunate accident, especially avoidance de-escalation techniques, but the victim had clearly been identified and charged for an armed robbery that happened in December 2019, where the woman who was assaulted in the robbery attempt had precisely described in detail even his weapon and picked him and his alleged crime partner out of a photo array. He then clearly failed to appear for his court appearances, had his bail revoked, and had fled from a subsequent stop by law enforcement where he was again allegedly armed with a firearm. The stories did not say whether or not the firearm was taken for evidence before his flight from prosecution (which is also a crime, one which the Kansas Republican Majority Leader (until his recent removal from that position) is currently being prosecuted. So, though the final stop was very poorly conducted, the basis for the stop was absolutely legitimate and well documented and there's ample evidence that the victim tried once again to flee from an arrest that was buttressed by the existence of a months-old warrant. The officer who was putting the cuffs on Wright was also hugely inept, though he was twice the size of Wright. If you think you have facts that dispute those specific facts, and they are legitimately sourced, please post them, but these sections of the article should not be erased because their presence is extremely pertinent to the Wikipedia reader and a balanced and objective representation of the case. Activist ( talk) 17:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
2600:8805:A980:5D00:F499:8E6A:61A6:F69C ( talk) 19:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)Wow. Can you show any more bias in that post? Kansas GOP majority leader brought up here? Lol, that is hilarious.
What does this section have to do with his killing? Kire1975 ( talk) 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps a meaningless question, but I feel some level of consistency is needed. We state that Mr. Wright was a "Black/White" in he lede, only to say that he was born of "White" and "African American" parents. Which is it? Does it matter? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 13:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The incident occurred on April 11th, but there’s a typo in the “Incident” section of the article. It says there that the shooting was on April 22nd. 2A02:1210:386C:8100:4DC7:4FFA:4B9:2E43 ( talk) 10:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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The article describes the officers service weapon as a Glock 9mm and made of metal. It is relevant and important information to note that Glock pistols only have a metal slide with polymer frame. 65.240.136.170 ( talk) 16:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
She was found guilty Thecornerwiki ( talk) 19:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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There needs to be an image added of both Kimberly Potter and Daunte Wright. Abracadmbra ( talk) 20:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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Change: "On April 11, 2021, Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old black man,[4][5] was fatally shot by police officer Kimberly Potter during a traffic stop and attempted arrest for an outstanding arrest warrant in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, United States.[1][3][6][7][8] After a brief struggle with officers, Wright was shot at close range. He then drove off a short distance, but his vehicle collided with another and hit a concrete barrier. Officers pulled Wright out of his car and administered CPR, but were unsuccessful in their attempts to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene."
Change to: "On April 11, 2021, Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old unarmed black man,[4][5] was fatally shot by convicted police officer Kimberly Potter during a traffic stop and attempted arrest for an outstanding arrest warrant in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, United States.[1][3][6][7][8] After a brief struggle with officers, Potter shot Wright at close range in the chest. He then drove off a short distance, but his vehicle collided with another and hit a concrete barrier. Officers pulled Wright out of his car and administered CPR, but were unsuccessful in their attempts to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene." Abracadmbra ( talk) 20:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
This article was recently moved without discussion to Manslaughter of Daunte Wright from Killing of. I prefer the old title. Anyone else? If it’s contentious at all, it should really be moved back and then a requested move opened. Firefangledfeathers 22:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree. I appreciate boldness, but the page move may have been too reactionary so close to a new development on the topic. I do not see other precedent for putting “manslaughter” into the title of an article. Most are “killing of” even after conviction for manslaughter. Can someone “manslaughter” another? Potter killed Wright. She didn’t manslaughter him. If absolutely important to have the word manslaughter in the title, a better option might be “Daunte Wright manslaughter case” or something like that. Minnemeeples ( talk) 23:03, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
“Killing of…” makes the most sense. Minnemeeples ( talk) 23:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I've reverted it. "Manslaughter of x" is not idiomatic English and is overly legalistic. WP:COMMONNAME applies here. – FenixFeather (talk) (Contribs) 23:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep as “Killing of …” WWGB ( talk) 00:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I am the person who changed the title. I would say murder of makes the most sense yes I am aware she was not convinced on murder. however it does make more sense than manslaughter of or killing of given that it is not a term and killing of does not convey the fact that she committed a crime. so in conclusion I think murder of makes the most sense. Thank you for reading this and happy holidays. Thecornerwiki ( talk) 04:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the information.I am sorry if what said could be considered slander. Thecornerwiki ( talk) 17:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Daunte was biracial so why refer to him as a "Black man"? 24.217.221.129 ( talk) 16:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the image of a sign at a protest is going to have to be deleted as a derivative work (both because it's a photo of a copyrighted work and because that copyrighted work is itself based on a widely circulated photo). Presuming there isn't a free image of Wright we can use, it seems to me there's a good case for WP:NFCC, given this is also the main article for Wright. Thoughts? And if so, which image would we use? I'd say it would make a better infobox image than the current one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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What would be necessary to get this to GA? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
What do you believe are the most important things to do to improve the article? I am interesting in helping a bit. Minnemeeples ( talk) 00:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
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the background chapter seems not related. thanks 36.90.62.235 ( talk) 04:51, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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Daunte Wright had an outstanding warrant for gross misdemeanor carrying a pistol without permit and misdemeanor fleeing police. The warrant issued April 2nd after he failed to appear for court.
Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Also, this information is pretty substantively covered already, see Killing of Daunte Wright#Participants. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 17:29, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Hey, friends. So, we have this video in the External links section. The video does indeed show what it is supposed to, but we need to find a better one. This one must be a screen recording, because there is a notification sound, followed by a menu popup which is clicked to mute a Facebook conversation or something, and it also ends with the VLC logo and a man saying "Can you turn the lights back on, please." If anyone can link to a better video, that would be great. Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 21:43, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
What does the Derek Chauvin trial and George Floyd have to do with this incident? This is very simple, it should not be part of this wiki page. Chauvin / Floyd is a completely legitimate subject, just not here. Where does it end on what should be included? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Douggmc ( talk • contribs) 18:47, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
(courtesy pinging @ Magnolia677 and Minnemeeples:) It has been added (and subsequently removed) a number of times 1) the close proximity of this shooting and the scene of the George Floyd incident and 2) the fact that it is happening during the ongoing trial. So, let's discuss. Are either of these worth mentioning in the article? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 15:41, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
The characterizing of the killing as "accidental" or the discharge of the weapon as "accidental" should not be used. "Negligent" or its grammatical permutations should be used in its place. As an example, the officer "negligently discharged" her firearm. Douggmc ( talk) 20:21, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Could also Mention this kid that was shot https://www.startribune.com/authorities-identify-man-shot-and-killed-by-brooklyn-center-police/559357722/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8804:6600:13:65F9:21D0:2127:ED8D ( talk) 16:40, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
Recent consensus at the Manual of Style ( MOS:PEOPLANG) suggests that either the lowercase "black" or the capitalized "Black" may be used, as long as we're consistent. Would anyone object to using capitalized ethno-racial color labels on this page moving forward? This would mean changing all current uses (except in quotes) to "Black" and using "White" if it ever comes up. Most of our current sources are using the capitalized form. Firefangledfeathers ( talk) 18:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)
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Include details of Mr Wright's criminal convictions and his outstanding arrest warrants. 92.233.186.120 ( talk) 18:53, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
Correct name according to various outlets:
-- 78.54.164.58 ( talk) 12:08, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Wright's mother is White. Isn't it more accurate to describe him as biracial that as African-American or Black? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2600:8807:30C:1B00:40AD:7043:1E69:CB40 ( talk) 14:28, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
@
Linguist111: I've reverted two of your edits to the "Traffic stop" section that you used a "ce" edit summary with because they seem to have actually removed a nontrivial amount of detail from the article without sufficient explanation. In
the most recent edit, the line that said At the time of the shooting, Potter was
field training another officer.
was inexplicably removed, as well as the line Potter was holding the firearm for at least seven seconds before discharging it.
Additionally, the line that said, Wright struggled with the officers, broke free, and got back behind the wheel of his vehicle. Potter said, "I'll tase you", and then yelled, "Taser! Taser! Taser!"
was changed to Wright resisted arrest, broke free from the arresting officer's grasp, and sat back down in the car. Potter took out her firearm, warned Wright that she would tase him, pointed it at him as she shouted "Taser! Taser! Taser!", and shot him.
"Resisting arrest" is a rather vague term that may imply
a specific criminal charge, so I feel that the former wording was better from a copyediting standpoint. Additionally, I'm not sure why it's better to paraphrase the quote "I'll tase you".
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Potter and two other Brooklyn Center police officers pulled over Wright, .... However, it is not clear from the sources whether Potter and two other officers initiated the traffic stop from the very beginning, or whether it was just one or two of the two officers that initiated the stop, and then another later joined the traffic stop as backup. Also, it's not clear from the sources what the timing of when Potter drew her weapon was—before or after "I'll tase you"—the copyedit seems to imply that it was before. Mz7 ( talk) 19:50, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
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Daunte Wright was shot after he tried to flee the crime. The officer mistook a taser for a gun and discharged a single shot after Mr.Wright was already attempting to flee the scene. 2600:8800:6A07:8500:8055:D1B8:5C9D:9A41 ( talk) 14:10, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
The article currently reads "After being shot, Wright attempted to flee but crashed his vehicle into another and hit a cement barrier. He was pronounced dead at the scene.[6]" He was shot AFTER attempting to flee. It's backwards. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobylewisii ( talk • contribs) 19:06, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
After a brief struggle with officers, Wright was shot, and then attempted to flee but...What he was doing is speculative, but source report there was a struggle with officers, it didn't indicate that the struggle was him trying to flee or not. It doesn't say he actually fled until after he was shot. WikiVirus C (talk) 21:53, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
Why is this marked as a killing? Obviously the police officer was negligent but Wright resisted arrest, the police officer didn't intend on killing him nor did she shoot him for no reason.
~~Omir Laa~~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by Omir Laa ( talk • contribs) 06:34, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
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The sentence "He was a father a young child" is ungrammatical. It could be rewritten as "He was the father of a young child." — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sahenke ( talk • contribs) 22:44, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
I can't believe I even need to make this section, but here are the RS for calling Wright "Black", including the medical examiner's report:
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This is a law suit waiting to happen. This is inaccurate and inappropriate to have a Wikipedia page already when people are still trying to unravel the truth. The legitimacy of that warrant is hugely under question, as well as various other details. I’ve donated money to you guys before, if you don’t fix this I won’t ever donate to you again. Because I don’t want my money wasted on bias non fact based opinions by right wing media. I’m also not donating for you guys to deal with legal battles. Ridiculous. 2604:3D09:697E:9A70:1D8D:251C:7D87:3198 ( talk) 01:46, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
The statement from Obama is repeated ~2 sentences after it is initially stated. The article should pick one place and cover it there; since Obama is no longer an official, I'd suggest the statement in the celebrities and public figures section be retained. 71.32.136.237 ( talk) 16:12, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
I'm here because of the google search I made. When I googled the killing of Daunte Wright, I noticed that Google infobox contained details the infobox refrenced in this Wikipedia article instead of the head information. Whoa, Holy Smokes. Xfhxzf ( talk) April 15, 2021, 19:55 (MST)
Given this page is going to end up pretty high on search engines when people look for information on Daunte Wright, could we include a pronunciation for his name? It's not exactly intuitive if you haven't heard it spoken out loud. 2A02:C7F:6C58:7A00:25A5:B4FC:A322:5169 ( talk) 13:13, 16 April 2021 (UTC)
This article is a little confusing at the moment regarding which specific arrest warrant the officers were executing during the incident. The "Participants" section notes that Wright had a misdemeanor warrant, citing
this Snopes article, while the lead states that the incident was an attempted arrest for outstanding felony warrants
, and the "Traffic stop" section states Officers ran Wright's name through a police database and learned that he had an open arrest warrant stemming from pending charges for first-degree felony aggravated robbery with a firearm.
The latter felony warrant information cites
this Fox News article, which merely states that Wright had an arrest warrant "related to an aggravated armed robbery attempt" (the article does not explicitly mention this is a felony). The Fox News article goes on to clarify that "Police then tried to arrest him on an outstanding warrant after failing to appear in court on charges that he fled from officers and possessed a gun without a permit during an encounter with Minneapolis police in June". It is therefore not clear to me whether the police officers arresting Wright were even aware of the felony arrest warrant at the time. I'm going to edit the article shortly to make this clear. The current lead wording is also problematic even if the officers knew about the felony warrant, because it implies multiple felony warrants.
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thanks @ Mz7:. The article seems to be in better shape now. I think there has indeed been a fair amount of confusion recently about the precise nature of the warrant that prompted the arrest attempt. In addition to the clarifying Snopes article you mentioned, another helpful explication, posted yesterday, is at https://www.insider.com/daunte-wright-details-of-charges-warrants-before-killed-by-police-2021-4 Biblib ( talk) 20:40, 15 April 2021 (UTC)
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Daunte is bi-racial and to discount his white heritage is not only irresponsible but reprehensible. I believe the mis representation of his proper heritage is an attempt to stoke racial hatred. Do better be better 70.21.183.78 ( talk) 11:29, 17 April 2021 (UTC)
How long should we with before creating a page for Daunte Wright that isn't a redirect to this article? In George Floyd's case, it was about two weeks or so. The consensus was that he was notable for more than just his death. Comm260 ncu ( talk) 17:04, 13 April 2021 (UTC)
In the phone call section, due to its wording and omission of information, it gives a biased and not factual opinion. We should include that he was not pulled over for an air freshener. He was stopped for expired plates, and officers responding soon realized who he was because a warrant was issued for his arrest after he missed a court appearance for aggravated robbery. Sqorg ( talk) 11:36, 14 April 2021 (UTC)
WWGB removed additional dialogue between Potter and other officers captured on the body camera footage. I believe it is relevant context. After Potter said, "Oh, shit! I shot him," another officer replied back to Potter. He said, "Oh wow." [6] Potter replied back, "Yes!" [7] The latter part of the dialogue is necessary to understand the context of Potter's reaction. Potter said that initial expression of astonishment directly to other officers on the scene, one of whom replied back with an expression of astonishment, too, and Potter reacted affirmatively to it. Some sources describe this dialogue as Potter appearing stunned or surprised. Potter was charged with with second-degree manslaughter, but many people protesting Wright's death believe Potter knowingly fired her gun intentionally to kill Wright and that she should face a more serious murder charge for it. While Potter's intention is not known definitively to put in encyclopedic voice, it does serves an encyclopedic purpose to include slightly more dialogue as they reacted to the chaotic scene. Minnemeeples ( talk) 06:56, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
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Second sentence of 2.1 "traffic stop" appears to have misleading link, incorrectly directing reader interested in "registration tag" to license plate when it appears to be auto registration sticker on the license plate. My state of New Jersey has no registration stickers pasted on / affixed to cars at all, also found documentation of same for PA and CT [1], so may be confusing for people in those states, and possibly confusing for other big states like New York and Texas that put registration sticker in windshield (District of Columbia). More information and a more correct description can be found here "Showing current registration on United States license plates".
There is a helpful looking photo on MN car registration DMV page, but wikipedia experience limited and may not be needed.
The sentence:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [2] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired registration tag.
Might better be written as:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [4] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired restration tag/sticker on license plate.
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Second sentence of 2.1 "traffic stop" appears to have misleading link, incorrectly directing reader interested in "registration tag" to license plate when it appears to be auto registration sticker on the license plate. My state of New Jersey has no registration stickers pasted on / affixed to cars at all, also found documentation of same for PA and CT [1], so may be confusing for people in those states, and possibly confusing for other big states like New York and Texas that put registration sticker in windshield (District of Columbia). More information and a more correct description can be found here "Showing current registration on United States license plates".
There is a helpful looking photo on MN car registration DMV page, but wikipedia experience limited and may not be needed.
The sentence:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [2] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired registration tag.
Might better be written as:
At 1:53 p.m. local time on April 11, 2021, Brooklyn Center police pulled them over on 63rd Avenue North; [4] [3] officers said that they did so due to the car's expired restration tag/sticker on license plate.
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Include a reference link to the Minnesota statute for second degree manslaughter where it mentions that Potter is charged with it: https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.205 184.103.204.27 ( talk) 06:55, 21 April 2021 (UTC)
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Per CNN (1:15PM Anna Cabrera show) he was stopped by the police due to an expired car tag. 98.211.212.227 ( talk) 17:20, 22 April 2021 (UTC)
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Add his photo from Facebook showing aiming gun and be honest about Criminal activity!! 2600:1702:300:F300:64D6:807B:1AD3:19C9 ( talk) 04:58, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
Per WP:BRD, I am starting this section to question 75.101.40.5's restoration of the resignation quotes into the article ( diff). I removed them because Potter's quote is incredibly vague and general and it's unclear how Ali's statement is notable enough to include here. It's a lot of speculation from him, the specific words are not notable in their own right, and extended quotes are usually avoided as they push against WP:NPOV. What do other editors think? I'm genuinely curious to hear what these add to the article other than "context". — Wingedserif ( talk) 04:17, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
I restored the painstakingly detailed circumstances of the unfortunate and ultimately fatal traffic stop and arrest of Wright. They were in stories by Fox and the Washington Examiner. Neither are my favorite sources by any stretch, but the reporters in these cases did an exhaustive job, securing original documents from the public record as part of the basis of their stories. Fox has consistently done bad jobs on important news (especially, i.e., the bogus reasons for the invasion and occupation of Iraq, but in that case, so did the New York Times) and the Washington Times has shown its bias. It does not mean that they get everything wrong. I personally like the latter because they retain Associated Press stories, keeping them available long after they disappear from other sources, so I've used them often to avoid links that otherwise often go dead. I didn't realize that any of this was posted prior to my own edits, and there was no record of discussion on this Talk page. I didn't use the "Betz" ref name, though Betz was named in the citations that I left. The critical info in this situation had nothing to do with air fresheners, and whether or not Wright's tags were expired. The vehicle was stopped, and to my mind it was handled badly even before the unfortunate accident, especially avoidance de-escalation techniques, but the victim had clearly been identified and charged for an armed robbery that happened in December 2019, where the woman who was assaulted in the robbery attempt had precisely described in detail even his weapon and picked him and his alleged crime partner out of a photo array. He then clearly failed to appear for his court appearances, had his bail revoked, and had fled from a subsequent stop by law enforcement where he was again allegedly armed with a firearm. The stories did not say whether or not the firearm was taken for evidence before his flight from prosecution (which is also a crime, one which the Kansas Republican Majority Leader (until his recent removal from that position) is currently being prosecuted. So, though the final stop was very poorly conducted, the basis for the stop was absolutely legitimate and well documented and there's ample evidence that the victim tried once again to flee from an arrest that was buttressed by the existence of a months-old warrant. The officer who was putting the cuffs on Wright was also hugely inept, though he was twice the size of Wright. If you think you have facts that dispute those specific facts, and they are legitimately sourced, please post them, but these sections of the article should not be erased because their presence is extremely pertinent to the Wikipedia reader and a balanced and objective representation of the case. Activist ( talk) 17:10, 23 April 2021 (UTC)
2600:8805:A980:5D00:F499:8E6A:61A6:F69C ( talk) 19:13, 9 June 2021 (UTC)Wow. Can you show any more bias in that post? Kansas GOP majority leader brought up here? Lol, that is hilarious.
What does this section have to do with his killing? Kire1975 ( talk) 09:13, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Perhaps a meaningless question, but I feel some level of consistency is needed. We state that Mr. Wright was a "Black/White" in he lede, only to say that he was born of "White" and "African American" parents. Which is it? Does it matter? Thanks, EDG 543 (message me) 13:21, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
The incident occurred on April 11th, but there’s a typo in the “Incident” section of the article. It says there that the shooting was on April 22nd. 2A02:1210:386C:8100:4DC7:4FFA:4B9:2E43 ( talk) 10:00, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
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The article describes the officers service weapon as a Glock 9mm and made of metal. It is relevant and important information to note that Glock pistols only have a metal slide with polymer frame. 65.240.136.170 ( talk) 16:54, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
She was found guilty Thecornerwiki ( talk) 19:36, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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There needs to be an image added of both Kimberly Potter and Daunte Wright. Abracadmbra ( talk) 20:57, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
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Change: "On April 11, 2021, Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old black man,[4][5] was fatally shot by police officer Kimberly Potter during a traffic stop and attempted arrest for an outstanding arrest warrant in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, United States.[1][3][6][7][8] After a brief struggle with officers, Wright was shot at close range. He then drove off a short distance, but his vehicle collided with another and hit a concrete barrier. Officers pulled Wright out of his car and administered CPR, but were unsuccessful in their attempts to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene."
Change to: "On April 11, 2021, Daunte Wright, a 20-year-old unarmed black man,[4][5] was fatally shot by convicted police officer Kimberly Potter during a traffic stop and attempted arrest for an outstanding arrest warrant in Brooklyn Center, Minnesota, United States.[1][3][6][7][8] After a brief struggle with officers, Potter shot Wright at close range in the chest. He then drove off a short distance, but his vehicle collided with another and hit a concrete barrier. Officers pulled Wright out of his car and administered CPR, but were unsuccessful in their attempts to revive him and he was pronounced dead at the scene." Abracadmbra ( talk) 20:55, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
This article was recently moved without discussion to Manslaughter of Daunte Wright from Killing of. I prefer the old title. Anyone else? If it’s contentious at all, it should really be moved back and then a requested move opened. Firefangledfeathers 22:54, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree. I appreciate boldness, but the page move may have been too reactionary so close to a new development on the topic. I do not see other precedent for putting “manslaughter” into the title of an article. Most are “killing of” even after conviction for manslaughter. Can someone “manslaughter” another? Potter killed Wright. She didn’t manslaughter him. If absolutely important to have the word manslaughter in the title, a better option might be “Daunte Wright manslaughter case” or something like that. Minnemeeples ( talk) 23:03, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
“Killing of…” makes the most sense. Minnemeeples ( talk) 23:09, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
I've reverted it. "Manslaughter of x" is not idiomatic English and is overly legalistic. WP:COMMONNAME applies here. – FenixFeather (talk) (Contribs) 23:13, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
Keep as “Killing of …” WWGB ( talk) 00:06, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I am the person who changed the title. I would say murder of makes the most sense yes I am aware she was not convinced on murder. however it does make more sense than manslaughter of or killing of given that it is not a term and killing of does not convey the fact that she committed a crime. so in conclusion I think murder of makes the most sense. Thank you for reading this and happy holidays. Thecornerwiki ( talk) 04:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for the information.I am sorry if what said could be considered slander. Thecornerwiki ( talk) 17:19, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Daunte was biracial so why refer to him as a "Black man"? 24.217.221.129 ( talk) 16:25, 18 February 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately, the image of a sign at a protest is going to have to be deleted as a derivative work (both because it's a photo of a copyrighted work and because that copyrighted work is itself based on a widely circulated photo). Presuming there isn't a free image of Wright we can use, it seems to me there's a good case for WP:NFCC, given this is also the main article for Wright. Thoughts? And if so, which image would we use? I'd say it would make a better infobox image than the current one. — Rhododendrites talk \\ 01:01, 19 February 2022 (UTC)
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What would be necessary to get this to GA? — Rhododendrites talk \\ 21:03, 25 May 2022 (UTC)
What do you believe are the most important things to do to improve the article? I am interesting in helping a bit. Minnemeeples ( talk) 00:44, 26 February 2023 (UTC)