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I'm just wondering what the guidelines are on naming the accused person, before conviction? I had a quick look at
WP:MURDEROF and couldn't see anything specific there. (In this case, the accused's name is all over the media.)
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 06:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)reply
I was curious about this as well. I erred on the side of caution initially but it has now been added, and is very widely reported, including cnn, bbc and abc, so I assume at this point it is fairly safe to include?
Dauwenkust (
talk) 12:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)reply
The scope of the category does cover it. Such as
Death of Ms Dhu and
Hornet Bank massacre. Articles about the deaths of Native Australians are appropriate under the history category. And it appears that Cassius' death which is now a murder due to the charges filed was because the rationale for his this act was because of his background. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk) 15:24, 6 November 2022 (UTC)reply
The
Hornet Bank massacre occurred in 1857, which one might reasonably consider "historic" - it's not exactly on a par with something that happened two weeks ago.
Like Turvey, the 2014
Death of Ms Dhu is not "historic" by any reasonable definition. There's nothing in the article to suggest that it's historic, the reliable sources don't refer to it as a historic event. (There were some changes to the laws
as a consequence of her death, but they were to do with fine defaulters, not Indigenous people.)
I feel like part of the problem here is to do with the definition of history. I always understood history to be "study and the documentation of the past", and as such all past events were history, but I feel like a stricter definition of history as famous or consequential events is being applied? However I would have thought something like
Captain Moonlight would have fallen under History of Australia despite noe bing overly famous or consequential, but I can see that has also not been categorised as history, so my understanding there may be lacking.
Dauwenkust (
talk) 04:40, 8 November 2022 (UTC)reply
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I'm just wondering what the guidelines are on naming the accused person, before conviction? I had a quick look at
WP:MURDEROF and couldn't see anything specific there. (In this case, the accused's name is all over the media.)
Laterthanyouthink (
talk) 06:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)reply
I was curious about this as well. I erred on the side of caution initially but it has now been added, and is very widely reported, including cnn, bbc and abc, so I assume at this point it is fairly safe to include?
Dauwenkust (
talk) 12:51, 4 November 2022 (UTC)reply
The scope of the category does cover it. Such as
Death of Ms Dhu and
Hornet Bank massacre. Articles about the deaths of Native Australians are appropriate under the history category. And it appears that Cassius' death which is now a murder due to the charges filed was because the rationale for his this act was because of his background. --
WikiCleanerMan (
talk) 15:24, 6 November 2022 (UTC)reply
The
Hornet Bank massacre occurred in 1857, which one might reasonably consider "historic" - it's not exactly on a par with something that happened two weeks ago.
Like Turvey, the 2014
Death of Ms Dhu is not "historic" by any reasonable definition. There's nothing in the article to suggest that it's historic, the reliable sources don't refer to it as a historic event. (There were some changes to the laws
as a consequence of her death, but they were to do with fine defaulters, not Indigenous people.)
I feel like part of the problem here is to do with the definition of history. I always understood history to be "study and the documentation of the past", and as such all past events were history, but I feel like a stricter definition of history as famous or consequential events is being applied? However I would have thought something like
Captain Moonlight would have fallen under History of Australia despite noe bing overly famous or consequential, but I can see that has also not been categorised as history, so my understanding there may be lacking.
Dauwenkust (
talk) 04:40, 8 November 2022 (UTC)reply