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All of those who are listed as killswitch users are actually using the Toggle Switch of the guitar except for buckethead who's using a killswitch that it's purpose is to silence the sound briefly, when the toggle switch's purpose is to shut or turn the electricity of the guitar. Hexxagonn ( talk) 01:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Anybody wants to help me out create an 'Internet' section for this article? --> http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/06/23/relax-president-obama-will-not-flip-an-internet-kill-switch/
Thanks! P@ddington ( talk) 00:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh absolutely. I knew it would eventually become its own article, but I kind of wanted to start it here. I think now might be the right time to split. Do you think the new article should be include the software bit, or should it be all about the Internet Kill switch? P@ddington ( talk) 17:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes definitely. CMTucker ( talk) 23:07, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Too low info. 2.94.94.228 ( talk) 19:09, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
features a very famous killswitch. why is it not in this article?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.126.95 ( talk) 15:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Not only. Generally, this article lacks section "KillSwitch in popular culture", mentioning such importnant facts, like it is often depicted in works of science-fiction as device used to control and emergency kill people(!). This happens very often (like in mentioned DeusEx). Second very popular depiction is showing it as security measure for controlling AI (like depicted in book "Neuromancer" <they mentioned EMP bomb for disabling Artficial Intelligences gone rogue>, XFiles episode mentioned in article also uses phrase in this meaning.) 77.253.23.158 ( talk) 17:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this an American reference? I've only ever seen a stop button in hollywood films, never in an actual lift 94.247.241.90 ( talk) 20:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
In modern elevators, the stop button is replaced with a key switch, to prevent misuse. Older elevators had stop buttons, although many have had the stop button replaced with a key switch. 199.184.205.88 ( talk) 04:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
The article appears to be behind the times insofar as it speaks of smartphone kill switches as something not yet in use. How a kill switch is activated when one no longer has the phone in one's possession would be useful information. Orthotox ( talk) 17:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I see it as problematic to talk about a kill switch as the main overriding category and redirect emergency stop or emergency stop switch to kill switch.
There are different categories of an emergency switch or emergency stop switch as they work differently.
- kill switch, taking off the electricity to the machine - a switch implementing a controlled stop, as for example active braking of dangerous components falls under emergency Stop.
There is also a difference between emergency switching off (kill switch) and emergency stop.
I also have not seen the use of the word "kill switch" in ISO 13850, there the talk is about Emergency Stop.
My proposal is, have a page emergency stop, redirect rather kill switch to it, and explain the different ways to implement an emergency stop. Jochum ( talk) 14:53, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Darkest Tree's comments and with Jochum's proposal. There should be a separate "Emergency Stop" entry which could be referenced by this page, simply because "kill switch" is a popular misnomer for an emergency stop. I would be prepared to contribute to an emergency stop page. I didn't want to just wade in and start hacking and slashing without the other users involved in this page being OK with it. I've written a whole series of referenced articles on this topic, see https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/. Macadk ( talk) 17:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 06:26, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Using a normally-closed switch will NOT stop accidental activation of the kill-mechanism. It will actually ACTIVATE the kill-mechanism if the wire breaks. This being preferable, an emergency stop when it isn't needed, to the alternative, pressing the button and nothing happens. That's the nature of a normally-closed switch. Pressing it breaks the circuit, as breaking the wire would do.
The same system is used on burglar alarms, at least the older type, not necessarily computerised ones. Sensors are all in series in a loop, all normally-closed. When a sensor trips it opens the circuit, as will a burglar trying to cut the wire to disable it. These two systems are common users of normally-closed circuits.
188.29.165.199 ( talk) 09:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm happy to help with improvement to thsi section as well, as this an area of my expertise. See https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/ for backup.-- Macadk ( talk) 17:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
"On machinery controlled by a programmable logic controller, the emergency stop is designed in a way that it overrides the output of the controller."
This is certainly not universally true. For example, many machines I worked on had a separate process, running on the PLC. dedicated to the E-Stop which would kill the other processes and put the machine in a safe state.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 20:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC).
Willing to work on this section as well, as this is a part of my professional expertise. -- Macadk ( talk) 18:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Big Red Switch redirects to this page, but there's no mention of the BRS on the IBM PC and close relatives. The BRS had two interesting characteristics: (a) it was occasionally the only way to recover from a software crash, and (b) there was some sort of anti-bounce logic such that a quick power cycle would leave the system off; you had to turn it off for several seconds before turning it back on.
It was replaced by a white switch on later models. I thought it was on the PC/AT, but [1] shows a red switch. Maybe it was on the PS/2. Rumor at the time had it that the change was due to European regulations that said that you could only have one red switch in a computer room and it had to kill power to the room.
I don't know where to find referenceable information, but if it could be found it seems interesting.
Jordan Brown ( talk) 22:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
The BRS sounds as if its actual function is not particularly interesting - it's just a reset switch, right?
I think its "main claim to fame" is the fact that it ended up needing a guard put on it, and that guard happened to receive a cute nickname, and the nickname may have been applied to other switch guards. TooManyFingers ( talk) 14:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)
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All of those who are listed as killswitch users are actually using the Toggle Switch of the guitar except for buckethead who's using a killswitch that it's purpose is to silence the sound briefly, when the toggle switch's purpose is to shut or turn the electricity of the guitar. Hexxagonn ( talk) 01:27, 4 April 2010 (UTC)
Anybody wants to help me out create an 'Internet' section for this article? --> http://www.crunchgear.com/2010/06/23/relax-president-obama-will-not-flip-an-internet-kill-switch/
Thanks! P@ddington ( talk) 00:52, 24 June 2010 (UTC)
Oh absolutely. I knew it would eventually become its own article, but I kind of wanted to start it here. I think now might be the right time to split. Do you think the new article should be include the software bit, or should it be all about the Internet Kill switch? P@ddington ( talk) 17:20, 26 June 2010 (UTC)
Yes definitely. CMTucker ( talk) 23:07, 22 February 2011 (UTC)
Too low info. 2.94.94.228 ( talk) 19:09, 6 April 2013 (UTC)
features a very famous killswitch. why is it not in this article?!?!? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 212.183.126.95 ( talk) 15:37, 28 April 2011 (UTC) Not only. Generally, this article lacks section "KillSwitch in popular culture", mentioning such importnant facts, like it is often depicted in works of science-fiction as device used to control and emergency kill people(!). This happens very often (like in mentioned DeusEx). Second very popular depiction is showing it as security measure for controlling AI (like depicted in book "Neuromancer" <they mentioned EMP bomb for disabling Artficial Intelligences gone rogue>, XFiles episode mentioned in article also uses phrase in this meaning.) 77.253.23.158 ( talk) 17:38, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
Is this an American reference? I've only ever seen a stop button in hollywood films, never in an actual lift 94.247.241.90 ( talk) 20:49, 10 May 2014 (UTC)
In modern elevators, the stop button is replaced with a key switch, to prevent misuse. Older elevators had stop buttons, although many have had the stop button replaced with a key switch. 199.184.205.88 ( talk) 04:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
The article appears to be behind the times insofar as it speaks of smartphone kill switches as something not yet in use. How a kill switch is activated when one no longer has the phone in one's possession would be useful information. Orthotox ( talk) 17:24, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
I see it as problematic to talk about a kill switch as the main overriding category and redirect emergency stop or emergency stop switch to kill switch.
There are different categories of an emergency switch or emergency stop switch as they work differently.
- kill switch, taking off the electricity to the machine - a switch implementing a controlled stop, as for example active braking of dangerous components falls under emergency Stop.
There is also a difference between emergency switching off (kill switch) and emergency stop.
I also have not seen the use of the word "kill switch" in ISO 13850, there the talk is about Emergency Stop.
My proposal is, have a page emergency stop, redirect rather kill switch to it, and explain the different ways to implement an emergency stop. Jochum ( talk) 14:53, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
I agree with Darkest Tree's comments and with Jochum's proposal. There should be a separate "Emergency Stop" entry which could be referenced by this page, simply because "kill switch" is a popular misnomer for an emergency stop. I would be prepared to contribute to an emergency stop page. I didn't want to just wade in and start hacking and slashing without the other users involved in this page being OK with it. I've written a whole series of referenced articles on this topic, see https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/. Macadk ( talk) 17:57, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
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Cheers.— cyberbot II Talk to my owner:Online 06:26, 8 January 2016 (UTC)
Using a normally-closed switch will NOT stop accidental activation of the kill-mechanism. It will actually ACTIVATE the kill-mechanism if the wire breaks. This being preferable, an emergency stop when it isn't needed, to the alternative, pressing the button and nothing happens. That's the nature of a normally-closed switch. Pressing it breaks the circuit, as breaking the wire would do.
The same system is used on burglar alarms, at least the older type, not necessarily computerised ones. Sensors are all in series in a loop, all normally-closed. When a sensor trips it opens the circuit, as will a burglar trying to cut the wire to disable it. These two systems are common users of normally-closed circuits.
188.29.165.199 ( talk) 09:55, 25 August 2016 (UTC)
I'm happy to help with improvement to thsi section as well, as this an area of my expertise. See https://machinerysafety101.com/series/emergency-stop/ for backup.-- Macadk ( talk) 17:59, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
"On machinery controlled by a programmable logic controller, the emergency stop is designed in a way that it overrides the output of the controller."
This is certainly not universally true. For example, many machines I worked on had a separate process, running on the PLC. dedicated to the E-Stop which would kill the other processes and put the machine in a safe state.
All the best:
Rich
Farmbrough, 20:53, 1 April 2017 (UTC).
Willing to work on this section as well, as this is a part of my professional expertise. -- Macadk ( talk) 18:01, 16 July 2017 (UTC)
Big Red Switch redirects to this page, but there's no mention of the BRS on the IBM PC and close relatives. The BRS had two interesting characteristics: (a) it was occasionally the only way to recover from a software crash, and (b) there was some sort of anti-bounce logic such that a quick power cycle would leave the system off; you had to turn it off for several seconds before turning it back on.
It was replaced by a white switch on later models. I thought it was on the PC/AT, but [1] shows a red switch. Maybe it was on the PS/2. Rumor at the time had it that the change was due to European regulations that said that you could only have one red switch in a computer room and it had to kill power to the room.
I don't know where to find referenceable information, but if it could be found it seems interesting.
Jordan Brown ( talk) 22:44, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
The BRS sounds as if its actual function is not particularly interesting - it's just a reset switch, right?
I think its "main claim to fame" is the fact that it ended up needing a guard put on it, and that guard happened to receive a cute nickname, and the nickname may have been applied to other switch guards. TooManyFingers ( talk) 14:00, 3 August 2021 (UTC)