This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Khaua-Mbandjeru rebellion article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Imo, that's not really an encyclopedic article. The lead section is supposed to provide an overview, but it's rather a personal statement about the legal backdrop of the incidents, with no sources given at all. The section called "summary" actually contains a sequence of quotes from one sole book, using non-encyclopedic words like "unfortunately" in the few sentences connecting the quotes. While this may or may not give an accurate description of the incidents, it does not explain the article's name at all. It does not explain who the Khaua and the Mbandjeru were and it does not even explain in what way the incidents constituted a "rebellion" (in the lead section, it is just called an "objection" and not explained any further, either). -- Axolotl Nr.733 ( talk) 10:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
There was no such thing as a Khaua-Mbandjeru rebellion. The main reference does not mention this name, and neither does anyone else. For one, the tribes today would be named Nama and Herero, respectively. More importantly, the title suggests that they did something together, but that is only true for a small faction of either tribe, namely the Khauas Nama, led by Eduard Lambert, and the Herero faction under Nikodemus Kavikunua.
Summary: It is wrong to suggest in any way that Nama and Herero cooperated in any sort of uprising against Germans in 1896. I see the following possible titles for an article that covers resistance to colonial Germany in 1896:
I would also be fine with the re-insertion into Herero and Namaqua Genocide; the relevance is that this war had a number of preceding conflicts, and the 1896 fightings were among them.
The content should in any case not cover the different perceptions of property; this clearly belongs to German South-West Africa. Cheers, Pgallert ( talk) 10:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
As this page has now been silent for three weeks I have performed the first step of the suggested improvements. I removed the unreferenced entry section and checked and marked the quotes from the Bley book. Now a new problem becomes visible: The body of the article contains basically nothing else but direct quotes, certainly too many to treat them as fair use citations. These citations are not bad and can be used in a number of related articles, but I do not think we can have an article built on them in this way, due to copyright concerns. I will leave a notice on the Wikipedia:Copyright problems. -- Pgallert ( talk) 19:51, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
how important was the mbanderu and khauas uprising against the German rule 105.232.23.206 ( talk) 19:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)
This is the
talk page for discussing improvements to the
Khaua-Mbandjeru rebellion article. This is not a forum for general discussion of the article's subject. |
Article policies
|
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL |
This article is rated Stub-class on Wikipedia's
content assessment scale. It is of interest to the following WikiProjects: | |||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||||
|
Imo, that's not really an encyclopedic article. The lead section is supposed to provide an overview, but it's rather a personal statement about the legal backdrop of the incidents, with no sources given at all. The section called "summary" actually contains a sequence of quotes from one sole book, using non-encyclopedic words like "unfortunately" in the few sentences connecting the quotes. While this may or may not give an accurate description of the incidents, it does not explain the article's name at all. It does not explain who the Khaua and the Mbandjeru were and it does not even explain in what way the incidents constituted a "rebellion" (in the lead section, it is just called an "objection" and not explained any further, either). -- Axolotl Nr.733 ( talk) 10:45, 22 December 2011 (UTC)
There was no such thing as a Khaua-Mbandjeru rebellion. The main reference does not mention this name, and neither does anyone else. For one, the tribes today would be named Nama and Herero, respectively. More importantly, the title suggests that they did something together, but that is only true for a small faction of either tribe, namely the Khauas Nama, led by Eduard Lambert, and the Herero faction under Nikodemus Kavikunua.
Summary: It is wrong to suggest in any way that Nama and Herero cooperated in any sort of uprising against Germans in 1896. I see the following possible titles for an article that covers resistance to colonial Germany in 1896:
I would also be fine with the re-insertion into Herero and Namaqua Genocide; the relevance is that this war had a number of preceding conflicts, and the 1896 fightings were among them.
The content should in any case not cover the different perceptions of property; this clearly belongs to German South-West Africa. Cheers, Pgallert ( talk) 10:28, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
As this page has now been silent for three weeks I have performed the first step of the suggested improvements. I removed the unreferenced entry section and checked and marked the quotes from the Bley book. Now a new problem becomes visible: The body of the article contains basically nothing else but direct quotes, certainly too many to treat them as fair use citations. These citations are not bad and can be used in a number of related articles, but I do not think we can have an article built on them in this way, due to copyright concerns. I will leave a notice on the Wikipedia:Copyright problems. -- Pgallert ( talk) 19:51, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
how important was the mbanderu and khauas uprising against the German rule 105.232.23.206 ( talk) 19:38, 5 April 2023 (UTC)