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Kharal tribal lived all over the Pakistan. majority of this tribal live in Punjab. maximum people of this tribal attached from Agriculture. Raisufian ( talk) 16:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC) It's right that majority of Kharal family is attached with agricultural due to royal thinking. Now Kharal family taking interest in modern word as well as modern business. ′Rai Shakir Ul Hassan Kharal′
Hi hassan 36.255.45.5 ( talk) 17:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Kharals are Rajput not Jatt they are Jatt in the sense that they are agriculturalists and all agriculturalists in Punjab are called Jatts but as professionally not because of caste. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 08:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
You can’t draw your own conclusions that is called wp:NOR we only stick to the sources we have on Wikipedia. Furthermore, the references you are citing are beyond unreliable. See the wp:RS. What the sources say is that some Kharral identify as Jatts others as Rajputs, you are not allowed to remove refffed material nor are you allowed to spin your own narrative not found in the sources, Thank you. -- Nawabmalhi ( talk) 12:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
There are 7 sources attached with the declaration that Kharals are Jatts in first paragraph. I didn't found a single sentence saying Kharals are Jatts.
source 1 : can't access the full article source 2 : doesn't say Kharals are Jatts source 3 : doesn't say Kharals are Jatts, says Mirza was epitome of Jat values but as you know Jatts are all those who are agriculturalists, no direct saying that Kharals are Jatts. source 4 : didn't said Kharals are Jatt source 5 : not even Kharal word used. source 6 : the article is not even about kharals or any of Punjab castes source 7: can't access full article meaning no evidence available.
Please recheck all things and then talk to me with your so called reliable sources.
MrHyperForEver ( talk) 15:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Mr Nawabmalhi I gave proper sourcing of British respected Historians and books of undeniable factuality while you are giving sources which are not even about Kharals. Please stop this vandalism. I gave 10 sources for Kharals being Rajputs which all directly said that. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
These are the sources I have attached to prove Kharals as Rajputs. Check how many are modern and how many are not.
source 8 is modern source 9 is modern source 10 is modern source 11 is modern source 12 is a cencus report of 1911. source 13 is about all Punjabi casts source 14 is a scientific report on Indians differentiating between how health and body features change and vary in different castes and areas. source 15 is a British report on Jhang district people. source 16 is the whole gazeeter of Punjab source 17 is modern source 18 is modern (1960s) source 19 is modern source 20 is the writing of H.A Rose whose Important work is undeniably a treasure for us.
Of the 14 sources mentioned with Kharals origin as Rajputs 7 are modern while 7 are past historical texts of British. So how could you say that there is no support of British colonial records with Modern writings.
I say stop this vandalism and now don't undo my changes I have added comment of H.A Rose on Kharals. Its importance is undeniable, its reliability is unrejectable.
please stop this vandalism by removing sourcese I add, I have not removed any of yours sources which are even not about tribal information.
MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
And I am not new I have a new user for a specific reason. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Ok I will not cite British colonial era sources but why did you remove the modern sources such as the books:-
1. Rajputs: History, Clans, Culture and Nobility.(2005)
2.Origins and History of Jats and Other Allied Nomadic Tribes of India: 900 B.C.-1947 A.D.(2008).
If you have done it by mistake ok but be careful the other time. If you have some difficulty with the upper mentioned sources please tell me before removing them. These sources were found by me after days of work and research and why had written you the Amr Nath Bali writing in the second paragraph it deserves its place in first paragraph as its about their origin.
I am not that old user I have 200+ edits before. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
And please try to find some good sources regarding Kharals as Jatts as all of the current sources are either about Mirza Sahiban or they have just discussed it to give example. I think wiki community should have consensus on sourcese which are directly for the mentioned topic or matter. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
And how to find if wiki community has consensus on something. And I have old British era colonial records mentioned on many other articles/pages. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
How can you say Iftikhar Ahmed's book is more reliable does he give some evidence. none! •(For extra information) Do you know well how can you know, after practical field research (in the nearby area only) you can find that Mirza was a Sahi as elders say but as you move further away from the actual area where all this story played out, the perspective on Mirza starts changing as people call him a Kharal. Most so called reliable sources authors which have mostly not done any field research work have never gone to the real stage area and researched practically. I have myself seen the old ancestral records (in custody of Musalis and kamis) of Kharals of Doanabad and Pindi Isa and have found none information about Mirza and his father. The leader of Doanabad Kharals at the moment of the story being played out was Rai Rahmoo who didn't had any son as Mirza.
MrHyperForEver ( talk) 10:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Kharal1 Explain why you removed mention of Kharals also being a Jat clan from the article. Kharals being Jats is supported by reliable sources. ThethPunjabi ( talk) 03:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
i just want to clear there was no kharal rajput even in early contemporary records they were just mentioned as jat and later in timeline they continuosly start using rajput tittle Wikiwala Jat ( talk) 04:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)
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Kharal tribal lived all over the Pakistan. majority of this tribal live in Punjab. maximum people of this tribal attached from Agriculture. Raisufian ( talk) 16:19, 24 July 2017 (UTC) It's right that majority of Kharal family is attached with agricultural due to royal thinking. Now Kharal family taking interest in modern word as well as modern business. ′Rai Shakir Ul Hassan Kharal′
Hi hassan 36.255.45.5 ( talk) 17:26, 16 February 2022 (UTC)
Kharals are Rajput not Jatt they are Jatt in the sense that they are agriculturalists and all agriculturalists in Punjab are called Jatts but as professionally not because of caste. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 08:27, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
You can’t draw your own conclusions that is called wp:NOR we only stick to the sources we have on Wikipedia. Furthermore, the references you are citing are beyond unreliable. See the wp:RS. What the sources say is that some Kharral identify as Jatts others as Rajputs, you are not allowed to remove refffed material nor are you allowed to spin your own narrative not found in the sources, Thank you. -- Nawabmalhi ( talk) 12:32, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
There are 7 sources attached with the declaration that Kharals are Jatts in first paragraph. I didn't found a single sentence saying Kharals are Jatts.
source 1 : can't access the full article source 2 : doesn't say Kharals are Jatts source 3 : doesn't say Kharals are Jatts, says Mirza was epitome of Jat values but as you know Jatts are all those who are agriculturalists, no direct saying that Kharals are Jatts. source 4 : didn't said Kharals are Jatt source 5 : not even Kharal word used. source 6 : the article is not even about kharals or any of Punjab castes source 7: can't access full article meaning no evidence available.
Please recheck all things and then talk to me with your so called reliable sources.
MrHyperForEver ( talk) 15:06, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Mr Nawabmalhi I gave proper sourcing of British respected Historians and books of undeniable factuality while you are giving sources which are not even about Kharals. Please stop this vandalism. I gave 10 sources for Kharals being Rajputs which all directly said that. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:07, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
These are the sources I have attached to prove Kharals as Rajputs. Check how many are modern and how many are not.
source 8 is modern source 9 is modern source 10 is modern source 11 is modern source 12 is a cencus report of 1911. source 13 is about all Punjabi casts source 14 is a scientific report on Indians differentiating between how health and body features change and vary in different castes and areas. source 15 is a British report on Jhang district people. source 16 is the whole gazeeter of Punjab source 17 is modern source 18 is modern (1960s) source 19 is modern source 20 is the writing of H.A Rose whose Important work is undeniably a treasure for us.
Of the 14 sources mentioned with Kharals origin as Rajputs 7 are modern while 7 are past historical texts of British. So how could you say that there is no support of British colonial records with Modern writings.
I say stop this vandalism and now don't undo my changes I have added comment of H.A Rose on Kharals. Its importance is undeniable, its reliability is unrejectable.
please stop this vandalism by removing sourcese I add, I have not removed any of yours sources which are even not about tribal information.
MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:53, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
And I am not new I have a new user for a specific reason. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:55, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Ok I will not cite British colonial era sources but why did you remove the modern sources such as the books:-
1. Rajputs: History, Clans, Culture and Nobility.(2005)
2.Origins and History of Jats and Other Allied Nomadic Tribes of India: 900 B.C.-1947 A.D.(2008).
If you have done it by mistake ok but be careful the other time. If you have some difficulty with the upper mentioned sources please tell me before removing them. These sources were found by me after days of work and research and why had written you the Amr Nath Bali writing in the second paragraph it deserves its place in first paragraph as its about their origin.
I am not that old user I have 200+ edits before. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:12, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
And please try to find some good sources regarding Kharals as Jatts as all of the current sources are either about Mirza Sahiban or they have just discussed it to give example. I think wiki community should have consensus on sourcese which are directly for the mentioned topic or matter. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:16, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
And how to find if wiki community has consensus on something. And I have old British era colonial records mentioned on many other articles/pages. MrHyperForEver ( talk) 17:18, 28 September 2022 (UTC)
How can you say Iftikhar Ahmed's book is more reliable does he give some evidence. none! •(For extra information) Do you know well how can you know, after practical field research (in the nearby area only) you can find that Mirza was a Sahi as elders say but as you move further away from the actual area where all this story played out, the perspective on Mirza starts changing as people call him a Kharal. Most so called reliable sources authors which have mostly not done any field research work have never gone to the real stage area and researched practically. I have myself seen the old ancestral records (in custody of Musalis and kamis) of Kharals of Doanabad and Pindi Isa and have found none information about Mirza and his father. The leader of Doanabad Kharals at the moment of the story being played out was Rai Rahmoo who didn't had any son as Mirza.
MrHyperForEver ( talk) 10:08, 30 September 2022 (UTC)
@ Kharal1 Explain why you removed mention of Kharals also being a Jat clan from the article. Kharals being Jats is supported by reliable sources. ThethPunjabi ( talk) 03:29, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
i just want to clear there was no kharal rajput even in early contemporary records they were just mentioned as jat and later in timeline they continuosly start using rajput tittle Wikiwala Jat ( talk) 04:24, 5 July 2023 (UTC)