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Both Ahmadi factions like to refer to themselves as "Ahmadi Muslims", and are quite sensitive about this. It may be unfair to use this term only for the members of the Lahore party. Nazli 06:44, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
How is it now? I am hoping that working on this will help define an approach that can be used to NPOV the two main articles on the two (sub-)sects. — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 19:35, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
Anybody that gives any honorable status to Mirza Qadiani whether as prophet, nabi, or mujadid, messiah, mahdi, etc, is follower of Qadianism. You cannot believe in Mirza Qadiani in any shape or form and be a Muslim. The Lahoris are also followers of Qadianism.
Siddiqui 07:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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Sources like "Alislam.org" are not reliable. According to a user FreeatlastChitchat's requirements: Firstly this is an encyclopedia, we try our best not to put in what the subject thinks about himself/herself, for example we dont put in Mr XYZ think that he is the king of the world. Secondly we are here to make sure that 'promotional' adjectives and words are deleted from an article to make it neutral in weight and NPOV.... So basically you need to provide 'reliable third party' sources if you want to put this sort of stuff in, and even then it will have to be heavily copyedited. [1]
Thus, all unreliable sources on this page are subject to removal. There is also a lot of puffery in breach of NPOV. All promotional advertisements need to be removed from this page. Code16 ( talk) 02:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Right now, Google is showing Mirza Masroor Ahmad as a current caliph of Islam. When we search "who is the current caliph of Islam" then it shows Mirza Masroor Ahmad as Rich Snippet. And, this is the quoted text from where Google finds the answer "The 5th and current caliph is Mirza Masroor Ahmad." This sentence "The 5th and current caliph is Mirza Masroor Ahmad." in Wikipedia should be changed to "The 5th and current caliph of Messiah is Mirza Masroor Ahmad." (Even Muslims do not believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as Massiah but Qadiyani do). Mirza Masroor Ahmad is the current caliph of Massiah not of Islam, according to Mirza Masroor Ahmad page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MatiUlHassanChattha ( talk • contribs) 17:03, December 13, 2020 (UTC)
Since the Ahmadiyya is widely viewed as a heterodox movement by the mainstream of Sunni and Shi'ite Islam, most Muslims outside the movement do not recognise Ahmadi claims to a caliphate as valid.If you have a problem with what Google shows when you ask it that question, take it up with them. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:10, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
It is wrong information please correct the information
Maani96 ( talk) 08:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
This need to be correct by google and wikipedia that there is no more caliph for muslims now ahmadiyya is a different religion Thanks Maaden ksa ( talk) 14:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
A popular YouTube has decided to share this article with his audience because he doesn't understand Google's search mechanisms. Edit: Currently, 9 out of the top 30 trends (including number #1) on Pakistani Twitter are talking about this.
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He is not the present caliph of Islam. This information is incorrect. 2601:441:8700:40EF:D34:CF2B:E367:A0BE ( talk) 15:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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The present caliph of islam is not Mirza Masroor Ahmad. He is a qadyani (a refuser of khatm e nabowat). He is not a muslim. Danger344 ( talk) 18:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
The present caliph of islam is not Mirza Masroor Ahmad. He is a qadyani a refuser of khatm e nabowat. Danger344 ( talk) 18:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I've tagged this article for additional verification since it is hugely overreliant on a religious website that I assume is associated with the Ahmadiyya movement. Iskandar323 ( talk) 17:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
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In the last sentence of the introduction, please remove "as valid". Simply saying "don't recognise X" means "don't acknowledge X as valid" in all situations aside from visual recognition ("I don't recognise that person there..."). This means that "as valid" is a little wordy. 120.21.59.182 ( talk) 09:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
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Both Ahmadi factions like to refer to themselves as "Ahmadi Muslims", and are quite sensitive about this. It may be unfair to use this term only for the members of the Lahore party. Nazli 06:44, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
How is it now? I am hoping that working on this will help define an approach that can be used to NPOV the two main articles on the two (sub-)sects. — iFaqeer (Talk to me!) 19:35, Dec 3, 2004 (UTC)
Anybody that gives any honorable status to Mirza Qadiani whether as prophet, nabi, or mujadid, messiah, mahdi, etc, is follower of Qadianism. You cannot believe in Mirza Qadiani in any shape or form and be a Muslim. The Lahoris are also followers of Qadianism.
Siddiqui 07:31, 28 February 2006 (UTC)
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Sources like "Alislam.org" are not reliable. According to a user FreeatlastChitchat's requirements: Firstly this is an encyclopedia, we try our best not to put in what the subject thinks about himself/herself, for example we dont put in Mr XYZ think that he is the king of the world. Secondly we are here to make sure that 'promotional' adjectives and words are deleted from an article to make it neutral in weight and NPOV.... So basically you need to provide 'reliable third party' sources if you want to put this sort of stuff in, and even then it will have to be heavily copyedited. [1]
Thus, all unreliable sources on this page are subject to removal. There is also a lot of puffery in breach of NPOV. All promotional advertisements need to be removed from this page. Code16 ( talk) 02:30, 31 August 2015 (UTC)
Right now, Google is showing Mirza Masroor Ahmad as a current caliph of Islam. When we search "who is the current caliph of Islam" then it shows Mirza Masroor Ahmad as Rich Snippet. And, this is the quoted text from where Google finds the answer "The 5th and current caliph is Mirza Masroor Ahmad." This sentence "The 5th and current caliph is Mirza Masroor Ahmad." in Wikipedia should be changed to "The 5th and current caliph of Messiah is Mirza Masroor Ahmad." (Even Muslims do not believe Mirza Ghulam Ahmad as Massiah but Qadiyani do). Mirza Masroor Ahmad is the current caliph of Massiah not of Islam, according to Mirza Masroor Ahmad page.— Preceding unsigned comment added by MatiUlHassanChattha ( talk • contribs) 17:03, December 13, 2020 (UTC)
Since the Ahmadiyya is widely viewed as a heterodox movement by the mainstream of Sunni and Shi'ite Islam, most Muslims outside the movement do not recognise Ahmadi claims to a caliphate as valid.If you have a problem with what Google shows when you ask it that question, take it up with them. Eggishorn (talk) (contrib) 22:10, 13 December 2020 (UTC)
It is wrong information please correct the information
Maani96 ( talk) 08:16, 15 December 2020 (UTC)
This need to be correct by google and wikipedia that there is no more caliph for muslims now ahmadiyya is a different religion Thanks Maaden ksa ( talk) 14:05, 24 December 2020 (UTC)
A popular YouTube has decided to share this article with his audience because he doesn't understand Google's search mechanisms. Edit: Currently, 9 out of the top 30 trends (including number #1) on Pakistani Twitter are talking about this.
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He is not the present caliph of Islam. This information is incorrect. 2601:441:8700:40EF:D34:CF2B:E367:A0BE ( talk) 15:08, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
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The present caliph of islam is not Mirza Masroor Ahmad. He is a qadyani (a refuser of khatm e nabowat). He is not a muslim. Danger344 ( talk) 18:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
The present caliph of islam is not Mirza Masroor Ahmad. He is a qadyani a refuser of khatm e nabowat. Danger344 ( talk) 18:05, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I've tagged this article for additional verification since it is hugely overreliant on a religious website that I assume is associated with the Ahmadiyya movement. Iskandar323 ( talk) 17:50, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
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In the last sentence of the introduction, please remove "as valid". Simply saying "don't recognise X" means "don't acknowledge X as valid" in all situations aside from visual recognition ("I don't recognise that person there..."). This means that "as valid" is a little wordy. 120.21.59.182 ( talk) 09:03, 11 January 2023 (UTC)