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After reading all the discussion on this talk page there appears a consensus to merge the two articles into one article. The more popular choice for a merge target at this present time is Kevin Sydney. NOTE: While editors are encouraged to be bold, they are also expected to discuss and form consensus and to avoid edit warring. Hiding T 14:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC) reply
Good to see that the page is taking some of the previous arguments into account. There is too much vagueness (or disagreement?) regarding Morph's origins, at least with it's current iteration it is a bit more clear that there is some ambiguity between the animated and comic versions. I for one feel that the animated and comic versions are very distinct, with common roots but a clear distinction between the two. - robertcoogan
Isn't Morph the same character as changeling? He was in the old cartoon, not sure about comics. Tyciol 06:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC) reply
They sure are. Same character, different reality. Merger Proposed. 69.182.78.104 07:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC) reply
I would support the merger, provided that Changling merged into Morph and not vice versa. At this point, Morph has the longer and more significant history. Inkslinger 10:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC) reply
I'd support the Morph too, but since both characters are so radically different, maybe it should stay like this. Also, just for curiousity, when was it confirmed that Morph was Changeling?
opposed - distict characters with their own distict publication history. 66.109.248.114 22:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Oppose, Morph is pretty much an independent character, extremely different from Changeling.-- Gonzalo84 23:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Please see discussion regarding( Merging Alternate Versions of Characters)
"then morph went to take down proteus alone but portus knocked the steel plate out of his head and took over Morph's body." I've edited this and removed "alone". Morph was with the Exiles, and Longshot was right alongside him when Morph "buffed up" and attacked Proteus - he even says that Longshot cancels out Proteus' reality altering powers. Scarlettspiderg 17:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC) reply
The grammar and composition in this article are pitiful. I added the "cleanup" tag so motivated people can help. Unfortunately, I am not one of those motivated people. Here is a typically dreadful passage: "A fairly good baseball player, a friend, a good student. Morph always used his power to keep everyone at ease with him, being at ease with someone as himself only." 24.61.12.141 04:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Has it not been defined as to which Earth designation the Morph of the Exiles calls home?-- RedKnight 21:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC) reply
it's Earth-27. it's where he, Thunderbird and Magnus all came from. Whoever originally put it as Earth-58163 is thinking about Proteus from the House of M universe.
I put the Earth-58163 because I thought that House of M Proteus was a resurrected 616 Proteus. Also, IIRC, all the original members of the Exiles came from different universes, so I doubt Morph came from Earth-27 (Magnus' universe).
Should Morph's debut be listed as the first episode of the X-Men animated series from the 1990s (just as Firestar's first appearance is listed as Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends)? --- 65.215.37.164 21:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Article should definately be merged with Changeling (Marvel Comics). Alternate versions of the same character. Structure similar to Blink (comics) with Exiles version being the main article. (posted by 69.177.251.209)
It's not a vote. Merge them per WP:WAF guidelines.~ Zythe Talk to me! 17:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC) reply
You know what, you're right I have become to emotionally involved with this argument and its time to back out. I still believe my position is right and the only thing I can do is let my arguments stand as they are. If that's not enough -- so be it. :) Stephen Day 23:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC) reply
So, does this end the debate and allow the merge to be completed? - Freak104 02:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Concensus not necessary. If you look at previous posts you will see that having these as separate articles violates Wikipedia guidelines. I think that is what 66.189.137.113 tried to show with his/her edit, but unfortunately he/she went about it in an inappropriate way. There is no room for debate anymore; Wikipedia guidelines states that they have to be merged. The reason for this post and my previous post is to determine which article title should be the one used for the merged articles. And please don't post comments about not merging them, it won't change Wikipedia guidelines. Freak104 12:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment Consensus is necessary, it prevents any one group from monopolizing the entry, and avoids edit wars. This in itself is more in keeping with the Wikipedia guidelines than anything else. This has led to a minority reverting and monopolizing the entry to suit their own opinions. robertcoogan 12:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Keep the split Aforementioned article with Eric Lewald doesn't mention the later comic version of Morph. He only discusses the origins of the animated version. There still isn't anything to connect the two characters. {`- 210.233.211.96 ( talk) 10:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)} reply
I'll start a new section for discussing polishing this entry up. One thing I think we should look at is having the X-Men animated character first in other versions. It is unusual but as it stands it is important for the Morph character's history as they first appeared in the animated series. As this is considered one of Marvel's Earths (921031) it isn't that much of a squeeze to put it in there. Either that or more in the section with the animation character above other versions. ( Emperor 02:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)) reply
I think this is a step backwards. How many fans of Morph have no idea who Changeling is? The Wikiguidelines are -not- set in stone. Lots42 09:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Can anyone find a picture of Changeling to put in his superhero box? The article would look a lot better if there were an image at the top of the article. Freak104 20:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Should the article be changed to "Kevin Sydney" so there isn't so much confusion/controversy over the title of the article? - Freak104 03:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 17:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC) reply
Can someone please cite the reference that Morph and Changeling are the same character? Been following this character for a long time. Never have known of the connection, other than they have shapeshifting ability!
( robertcoogan 19:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
Then I suggest that before the merging of two separate characters a link other than them having the same name be established.
( robertcoogan 04:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
This is not vandalism, there only needs to be a justification for the change.
( robertcoogan 04:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
I would like to identify the current discussions and provide this a the point the have a cohesive discussion about these separate matters. First, that a merge discussion from Sept. 07, ended had not concluded. That the current page of Morph should exlude the AoA and TV versions of the character. I have reposted merge tags to hash out this discussion. Previous discussion recommended a Morph to Changling merge, a Changling to Morph mere, and User:J Greb has suggested on the Morph talk merge to Kevin Sydney.
No merge There is still nothing to suggest that the two characters are the same. The two articles by themselves do have enough information (based upon prior edits which were undone) to warrant two separate pages. Just because there are similarities between the two characters and even some blurring of facts, doesn't justify a merge.
So far the reasons put forth for the merge are:
It's a shame that it has now been reverted to the unsupported changed version. This merge was not done in the spirit of collaboration at all.
(- Robertcoogan ( talk) 03:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
weak merge StarSpangledKiwi ( talk) 04:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Merge again and again and again.... because they are the same character, have always been the same character and always will be the same character. Lets move the article to Kevin Sydney to avoid this ongoing merge/split nonsense. Here's an interview with Eric Lewald (Story Editor of X-Men) [4] for one source. Wizard #41 (Jan 1995) Page 36 also has info about Changeling/Morph being the same. -- 69.182.199.231 ( talk) 06:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC) reply
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 14:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 14:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
this. I'm not knowledgeable about this at all, and stumbled upon this page accidentally when investigating recent contributions by a vandal. Thanks, Enigma message 02:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC) reply
I know that the original Changeling version and the Exiles version were both called Kevin Sydney. Did the version in the X-Men animated series also have this name? 112.213.143.67 ( talk) 23:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC) reply
Besides revealing the plot in a convoluted way, this article does not do any justice to the trials this character had to face. The entire section does not seem to fit an encyclopedic style and tries to smooth over the story. To distinguish from an article in fandom.com, this article may need to be worked on. NK ( talk) 11:00, 3 March 2022 (UTC) reply
I'm looking at the Marvel Encyclopedia entry from 2022 for The Changeling and it says Factfile Real Name = Unknown. no where in this book is Kevin Sydney mentioned not even the Index. 71.178.144.73 ( talk) 21:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply
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After reading all the discussion on this talk page there appears a consensus to merge the two articles into one article. The more popular choice for a merge target at this present time is Kevin Sydney. NOTE: While editors are encouraged to be bold, they are also expected to discuss and form consensus and to avoid edit warring. Hiding T 14:59, 11 February 2008 (UTC) reply
Good to see that the page is taking some of the previous arguments into account. There is too much vagueness (or disagreement?) regarding Morph's origins, at least with it's current iteration it is a bit more clear that there is some ambiguity between the animated and comic versions. I for one feel that the animated and comic versions are very distinct, with common roots but a clear distinction between the two. - robertcoogan
Isn't Morph the same character as changeling? He was in the old cartoon, not sure about comics. Tyciol 06:31, 18 March 2006 (UTC) reply
They sure are. Same character, different reality. Merger Proposed. 69.182.78.104 07:09, 4 June 2007 (UTC) reply
I would support the merger, provided that Changling merged into Morph and not vice versa. At this point, Morph has the longer and more significant history. Inkslinger 10:28, 8 June 2007 (UTC) reply
I'd support the Morph too, but since both characters are so radically different, maybe it should stay like this. Also, just for curiousity, when was it confirmed that Morph was Changeling?
opposed - distict characters with their own distict publication history. 66.109.248.114 22:32, 21 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Oppose, Morph is pretty much an independent character, extremely different from Changeling.-- Gonzalo84 23:06, 22 June 2007 (UTC) reply
Please see discussion regarding( Merging Alternate Versions of Characters)
"then morph went to take down proteus alone but portus knocked the steel plate out of his head and took over Morph's body." I've edited this and removed "alone". Morph was with the Exiles, and Longshot was right alongside him when Morph "buffed up" and attacked Proteus - he even says that Longshot cancels out Proteus' reality altering powers. Scarlettspiderg 17:20, 10 May 2006 (UTC) reply
The grammar and composition in this article are pitiful. I added the "cleanup" tag so motivated people can help. Unfortunately, I am not one of those motivated people. Here is a typically dreadful passage: "A fairly good baseball player, a friend, a good student. Morph always used his power to keep everyone at ease with him, being at ease with someone as himself only." 24.61.12.141 04:43, 1 September 2006 (UTC) reply
Has it not been defined as to which Earth designation the Morph of the Exiles calls home?-- RedKnight 21:41, 16 December 2006 (UTC) reply
it's Earth-27. it's where he, Thunderbird and Magnus all came from. Whoever originally put it as Earth-58163 is thinking about Proteus from the House of M universe.
I put the Earth-58163 because I thought that House of M Proteus was a resurrected 616 Proteus. Also, IIRC, all the original members of the Exiles came from different universes, so I doubt Morph came from Earth-27 (Magnus' universe).
Should Morph's debut be listed as the first episode of the X-Men animated series from the 1990s (just as Firestar's first appearance is listed as Spider-Man and His Amazing Friends)? --- 65.215.37.164 21:14, 4 May 2007 (UTC) reply
Article should definately be merged with Changeling (Marvel Comics). Alternate versions of the same character. Structure similar to Blink (comics) with Exiles version being the main article. (posted by 69.177.251.209)
It's not a vote. Merge them per WP:WAF guidelines.~ Zythe Talk to me! 17:07, 1 September 2007 (UTC) reply
You know what, you're right I have become to emotionally involved with this argument and its time to back out. I still believe my position is right and the only thing I can do is let my arguments stand as they are. If that's not enough -- so be it. :) Stephen Day 23:45, 4 September 2007 (UTC) reply
So, does this end the debate and allow the merge to be completed? - Freak104 02:35, 10 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Concensus not necessary. If you look at previous posts you will see that having these as separate articles violates Wikipedia guidelines. I think that is what 66.189.137.113 tried to show with his/her edit, but unfortunately he/she went about it in an inappropriate way. There is no room for debate anymore; Wikipedia guidelines states that they have to be merged. The reason for this post and my previous post is to determine which article title should be the one used for the merged articles. And please don't post comments about not merging them, it won't change Wikipedia guidelines. Freak104 12:13, 12 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Comment Consensus is necessary, it prevents any one group from monopolizing the entry, and avoids edit wars. This in itself is more in keeping with the Wikipedia guidelines than anything else. This has led to a minority reverting and monopolizing the entry to suit their own opinions. robertcoogan 12:45, 28 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Keep the split Aforementioned article with Eric Lewald doesn't mention the later comic version of Morph. He only discusses the origins of the animated version. There still isn't anything to connect the two characters. {`- 210.233.211.96 ( talk) 10:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)} reply
I'll start a new section for discussing polishing this entry up. One thing I think we should look at is having the X-Men animated character first in other versions. It is unusual but as it stands it is important for the Morph character's history as they first appeared in the animated series. As this is considered one of Marvel's Earths (921031) it isn't that much of a squeeze to put it in there. Either that or more in the section with the animation character above other versions. ( Emperor 02:47, 14 September 2007 (UTC)) reply
I think this is a step backwards. How many fans of Morph have no idea who Changeling is? The Wikiguidelines are -not- set in stone. Lots42 09:42, 14 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Can anyone find a picture of Changeling to put in his superhero box? The article would look a lot better if there were an image at the top of the article. Freak104 20:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC) reply
Should the article be changed to "Kevin Sydney" so there isn't so much confusion/controversy over the title of the article? - Freak104 03:01, 18 October 2007 (UTC) reply
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 17:20, 29 November 2007 (UTC) reply
Can someone please cite the reference that Morph and Changeling are the same character? Been following this character for a long time. Never have known of the connection, other than they have shapeshifting ability!
( robertcoogan 19:10, 27 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
Then I suggest that before the merging of two separate characters a link other than them having the same name be established.
( robertcoogan 04:03, 28 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
This is not vandalism, there only needs to be a justification for the change.
( robertcoogan 04:21, 28 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
I would like to identify the current discussions and provide this a the point the have a cohesive discussion about these separate matters. First, that a merge discussion from Sept. 07, ended had not concluded. That the current page of Morph should exlude the AoA and TV versions of the character. I have reposted merge tags to hash out this discussion. Previous discussion recommended a Morph to Changling merge, a Changling to Morph mere, and User:J Greb has suggested on the Morph talk merge to Kevin Sydney.
No merge There is still nothing to suggest that the two characters are the same. The two articles by themselves do have enough information (based upon prior edits which were undone) to warrant two separate pages. Just because there are similarities between the two characters and even some blurring of facts, doesn't justify a merge.
So far the reasons put forth for the merge are:
It's a shame that it has now been reverted to the unsupported changed version. This merge was not done in the spirit of collaboration at all.
(- Robertcoogan ( talk) 03:12, 29 January 2008 (UTC)) reply
weak merge StarSpangledKiwi ( talk) 04:43, 29 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Merge again and again and again.... because they are the same character, have always been the same character and always will be the same character. Lets move the article to Kevin Sydney to avoid this ongoing merge/split nonsense. Here's an interview with Eric Lewald (Story Editor of X-Men) [4] for one source. Wizard #41 (Jan 1995) Page 36 also has info about Changeling/Morph being the same. -- 69.182.199.231 ( talk) 06:49, 29 January 2008 (UTC) reply
Image:Morpexilesjpg.jpg is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 14:54, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
Image:Morphanimted.png is being used on this article. I notice the image page specifies that the image is being used under fair use but there is no explanation or rationale as to why its use in this Wikipedia article constitutes fair use. In addition to the boilerplate fair use template, you must also write out on the image description page a specific explanation or rationale for why using this image in each article is consistent with fair use.
Please go to the image description page and edit it to include a fair use rationale. Using one of the templates at Wikipedia:Fair use rationale guideline is an easy way to ensure that your image is in compliance with Wikipedia policy, but remember that you must complete the template. Do not simply insert a blank template on an image page.
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BetacommandBot ( talk) 14:56, 8 March 2008 (UTC) reply
this. I'm not knowledgeable about this at all, and stumbled upon this page accidentally when investigating recent contributions by a vandal. Thanks, Enigma message 02:30, 30 April 2008 (UTC) reply
I know that the original Changeling version and the Exiles version were both called Kevin Sydney. Did the version in the X-Men animated series also have this name? 112.213.143.67 ( talk) 23:20, 29 December 2011 (UTC) reply
Besides revealing the plot in a convoluted way, this article does not do any justice to the trials this character had to face. The entire section does not seem to fit an encyclopedic style and tries to smooth over the story. To distinguish from an article in fandom.com, this article may need to be worked on. NK ( talk) 11:00, 3 March 2022 (UTC) reply
I'm looking at the Marvel Encyclopedia entry from 2022 for The Changeling and it says Factfile Real Name = Unknown. no where in this book is Kevin Sydney mentioned not even the Index. 71.178.144.73 ( talk) 21:00, 27 May 2024 (UTC) reply