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Does anyone know why the Welsh abbreviation is “TrC Trenau”? Apart from using the first two letters of “Trafnidiaeth” instead of one, I’d have expected that “Trenau TrC” would be more grammatical and euphonious (compare with “Trenau Arriva Cymru” on the outgoing franchisee). — Arwel Parry (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
As far as I am aware the company is just called Transport for Wales - to differentiate from Transport for Wales should the article be renamed Transport for Wales (train operating company)? I'm not opening a formal move request yet as I'm not 100% sure whether I'm correct in assuming "Rail" isn't actually a part of the TOC's name but I'm sure someone can back me up or more than likely correct me! Buttons0603 ( talk) 21:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I've removed "Rail Services" from the lede as per the article-move - I don't see the point in having it as "Transport for Wales Rail Services (trading as Transport for Wales" ....
I have however left the full name in the infobox, I have no objections if anyone wants to revert my changes or obviously change the whole thing.
Thanks, –
Davey2010
Talk 21:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
This image is not being allowed onto the article due to it being a side-view of the unit in question. I can understand this reasoning and why it shouldn't feature, but surely there should be an exception for this temporarily while we await a better 769 image to be uploaded? Even alongside this, this same image is featured on the Great Western Railway article. In my opinion, this image is certainly better than no image and with it being on the GWR article, perhaps it should be kept for now? Just wondering what everyone else thinks. Thanks, -- SavageKieran ( talk) 15:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
I have removed Gwasanaethau Rheilffyrdd Trafnidiaeth Cymru as the Welsh translation for Transport for Wales Rail Services. Although it is the literal translation, it does not appear to be a form that TfW use themselves. It wasn't supported by the references given, so at first I flagged it as a {{ failed verification}} - see this diff. This is because the source given was the T&Cs page of the website which says:
1.1 This website is operated by Keolis Amey Operations/Gweithrediadau Keolis Amey Limited (trading as Transport for Wales Rail Services)
The equivalent page on the Welsh-language website says:
1.1 Gweithredir y wefan hon gan Keolis Amey Operations/Gweithrediadau Keolis Amey Limited (yn masnachu fel Transport for Wales Rail Services)
— https://trctrenau.cymru/cy/telerau-ac-amodau, (My bolding for emphasis.)
As the source given for the reference didn't support the translation, I though it was probably best to remove it - on the basis that TfW weren't going to use that form of words in Welsh. Instead, I inserted references for translations that could be sourced and verified - see this diff. And I hoped it would make it clearer to the average user how the brand names are used and why there are two Transport for Wales's.
is there any specific reason why a photo of an ATW mark 2 carriage is used when the ones used on rhymney services last year were BR blue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MJ9674 ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a full list of all TfW services and frequencies in the main article? Esp as currently (July 2020) there is a greatly reduced service due to Lockdown restrictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.174.184 ( talk) 14:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
With the Wales & Borders franchise to be nationalised on 7 February 2021 and the existing trading name to retained, propose that this article be renamed back to KeolisAmey Wales and the article about the new operator ( Transport for Wales Rail (2021)) be renamed Transport for Wales Rail.
Will be a bit of a round robin that may require administrator assistance to ensure history is retained. This is what happened when the Northern franchise was nationalised in 2019 with the outgoing franchisee's article renamed Arriva Rail North and Northern (train operating company) redirected to Northern Trains. Will also mean that relatively few of the 900 incoming links will need to be updated.
This should only be actioned on or after 7 February 2021. Shenkdwood ( talk) 00:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Modern Railways December 2020 states the franchise will be handed over on the 7th. Franchise changeover dates are always timed to coincide with the end of a railway accounting period which starts on a Sunday and concludes 28 days later on a Saturday. So KeolisAmey will finish at the conclusion of service on Saturday 6th, the new operator will commence on Sunday 7th. The exact handover time will probably be in the early hours of the 7th to coincide with no trains being in service. Shenkdwood ( talk) 06:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) — Paper9oll ( 📣 • 📝) 16:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
– With the franchise to transfer from KeolisAmey Wales to the Welsh government operator of last resort on 7 February that will continue to use the Transport for Wales brand, propose that the Transport for Wales Rail Services article revert to being named KeolisAmey Wales. This will free up Transport for Wales Rail to allow for the Transport for Wales Rail (2021) article to be renamed, as it will become the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC when the franchise is nationalised on 7 February and thus should be renamed Transport for Wales Rail. See a previous discussion from when the Northern franchisee was nationalised that resulted in the same thing happening. Bx16 ( talk) 03:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ( t · c) buidhe 03:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
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The following three pages currently redirect here, at the old company.
Shouldn't these be made into/redirect to a disambiguation page or at least redirect to the current operator?-- YTRK ( talk) 11:09, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Transport for Wales Rail Limited which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 10:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
This Talk post is in response to a recent reversion of my removal of the (seemingly) outdated service table. Since this TOC was replaced by Transport for Wales Rail, would it instead make sense to move this table over there instead, which would effectively replace the current table that's already over there. An observation of the TfW timetable shows relatively similar services to what's already here, just some minor changes would be needed. Jalen Folf (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
The recent rename to Keolis Amey Operations has been reverted at my request. Per WP:BRD, it was a bold move (not a bad move!) but it was reverted and so it's time to discuss should anyone see the need to.
My criteria for objection is a simple factual one - Keolis Amey Operations is a company that runs (ran) both KeolisAmey Wales and KeolisAmey Docklands, the latter being the TOC for the Docklands Light Railway. This article is (currently) about the Welsh arm, not the wider operation. Obviously I'm very happy to see this discussed so consensus can be reached if needed. 10mmsocket ( talk) 15:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
I would note, for completeness, that there might be a bit of confusion around the TOC's legal name. This
RailEngineer article from July 2018 notes KeolisAmey had won the £5 billion contract to run the Wales and Borders rail franchise over the next 15 years as the Operator and Development Partner (ODP) – a new kind of combined operator and infrastructure manager.
This is interesting when read in conjunction with the ONS determination that
Emergency Measures Agreements constituted public control, as it holds that the companies affected by this classification decision are: Keolis Amey Wales Cymru Ltd (the ODP); and Keolis Amey Operations Ltd (the OpCo, also known as Transport for Wales Rail Services).
Keolis Amey Wales Cymru Ltd is E&W Company Number 11391059, renamed Keolis Amey Rail Ltd with effect from 27 October 2021, while Keolis Amey Operations Ltd is Number 11389531 (and the company's legal name includes the Welsh in full, so it's actually Keolis Amey Operations / Gweithrediadau Keolis Amey Ltd). Both of these companies were incorporated in May 2018. There is a separate Keolis Amey Docklands Ltd, Number 09113304, that was incorporated in July 2014. XAM2175 (T) 18:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
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Does anyone know why the Welsh abbreviation is “TrC Trenau”? Apart from using the first two letters of “Trafnidiaeth” instead of one, I’d have expected that “Trenau TrC” would be more grammatical and euphonious (compare with “Trenau Arriva Cymru” on the outgoing franchisee). — Arwel Parry (talk) 16:13, 6 October 2018 (UTC)
As far as I am aware the company is just called Transport for Wales - to differentiate from Transport for Wales should the article be renamed Transport for Wales (train operating company)? I'm not opening a formal move request yet as I'm not 100% sure whether I'm correct in assuming "Rail" isn't actually a part of the TOC's name but I'm sure someone can back me up or more than likely correct me! Buttons0603 ( talk) 21:20, 15 October 2018 (UTC)
Hi, I've removed "Rail Services" from the lede as per the article-move - I don't see the point in having it as "Transport for Wales Rail Services (trading as Transport for Wales" ....
I have however left the full name in the infobox, I have no objections if anyone wants to revert my changes or obviously change the whole thing.
Thanks, –
Davey2010
Talk 21:29, 22 October 2018 (UTC)
This image is not being allowed onto the article due to it being a side-view of the unit in question. I can understand this reasoning and why it shouldn't feature, but surely there should be an exception for this temporarily while we await a better 769 image to be uploaded? Even alongside this, this same image is featured on the Great Western Railway article. In my opinion, this image is certainly better than no image and with it being on the GWR article, perhaps it should be kept for now? Just wondering what everyone else thinks. Thanks, -- SavageKieran ( talk) 15:37, 26 January 2020 (UTC)
I have removed Gwasanaethau Rheilffyrdd Trafnidiaeth Cymru as the Welsh translation for Transport for Wales Rail Services. Although it is the literal translation, it does not appear to be a form that TfW use themselves. It wasn't supported by the references given, so at first I flagged it as a {{ failed verification}} - see this diff. This is because the source given was the T&Cs page of the website which says:
1.1 This website is operated by Keolis Amey Operations/Gweithrediadau Keolis Amey Limited (trading as Transport for Wales Rail Services)
The equivalent page on the Welsh-language website says:
1.1 Gweithredir y wefan hon gan Keolis Amey Operations/Gweithrediadau Keolis Amey Limited (yn masnachu fel Transport for Wales Rail Services)
— https://trctrenau.cymru/cy/telerau-ac-amodau, (My bolding for emphasis.)
As the source given for the reference didn't support the translation, I though it was probably best to remove it - on the basis that TfW weren't going to use that form of words in Welsh. Instead, I inserted references for translations that could be sourced and verified - see this diff. And I hoped it would make it clearer to the average user how the brand names are used and why there are two Transport for Wales's.
is there any specific reason why a photo of an ATW mark 2 carriage is used when the ones used on rhymney services last year were BR blue? — Preceding unsigned comment added by MJ9674 ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 9 May 2020 (UTC)
Is it really necessary to have a full list of all TfW services and frequencies in the main article? Esp as currently (July 2020) there is a greatly reduced service due to Lockdown restrictions. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.1.174.184 ( talk) 14:34, 7 July 2020 (UTC)
With the Wales & Borders franchise to be nationalised on 7 February 2021 and the existing trading name to retained, propose that this article be renamed back to KeolisAmey Wales and the article about the new operator ( Transport for Wales Rail (2021)) be renamed Transport for Wales Rail.
Will be a bit of a round robin that may require administrator assistance to ensure history is retained. This is what happened when the Northern franchise was nationalised in 2019 with the outgoing franchisee's article renamed Arriva Rail North and Northern (train operating company) redirected to Northern Trains. Will also mean that relatively few of the 900 incoming links will need to be updated.
This should only be actioned on or after 7 February 2021. Shenkdwood ( talk) 00:30, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
Modern Railways December 2020 states the franchise will be handed over on the 7th. Franchise changeover dates are always timed to coincide with the end of a railway accounting period which starts on a Sunday and concludes 28 days later on a Saturday. So KeolisAmey will finish at the conclusion of service on Saturday 6th, the new operator will commence on Sunday 7th. The exact handover time will probably be in the early hours of the 7th to coincide with no trains being in service. Shenkdwood ( talk) 06:02, 3 December 2020 (UTC)
The result of the move request was: Not moved ( non-admin closure) — Paper9oll ( 📣 • 📝) 16:19, 24 February 2021 (UTC)
– With the franchise to transfer from KeolisAmey Wales to the Welsh government operator of last resort on 7 February that will continue to use the Transport for Wales brand, propose that the Transport for Wales Rail Services article revert to being named KeolisAmey Wales. This will free up Transport for Wales Rail to allow for the Transport for Wales Rail (2021) article to be renamed, as it will become the WP:PRIMARYTOPIC when the franchise is nationalised on 7 February and thus should be renamed Transport for Wales Rail. See a previous discussion from when the Northern franchisee was nationalised that resulted in the same thing happening. Bx16 ( talk) 03:48, 28 January 2021 (UTC) —Relisting. ( t · c) buidhe 03:53, 15 February 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Transport for Wales Rail (2021) which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 04:21, 28 January 2021 (UTC)
The following three pages currently redirect here, at the old company.
Shouldn't these be made into/redirect to a disambiguation page or at least redirect to the current operator?-- YTRK ( talk) 11:09, 26 March 2021 (UTC)
There is a move discussion in progress on Talk:Transport for Wales Rail Limited which affects this page. Please participate on that page and not in this talk page section. Thank you. — RMCD bot 10:05, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
This Talk post is in response to a recent reversion of my removal of the (seemingly) outdated service table. Since this TOC was replaced by Transport for Wales Rail, would it instead make sense to move this table over there instead, which would effectively replace the current table that's already over there. An observation of the TfW timetable shows relatively similar services to what's already here, just some minor changes would be needed. Jalen Folf (talk) 19:29, 28 November 2022 (UTC)
The recent rename to Keolis Amey Operations has been reverted at my request. Per WP:BRD, it was a bold move (not a bad move!) but it was reverted and so it's time to discuss should anyone see the need to.
My criteria for objection is a simple factual one - Keolis Amey Operations is a company that runs (ran) both KeolisAmey Wales and KeolisAmey Docklands, the latter being the TOC for the Docklands Light Railway. This article is (currently) about the Welsh arm, not the wider operation. Obviously I'm very happy to see this discussed so consensus can be reached if needed. 10mmsocket ( talk) 15:53, 13 December 2022 (UTC)
I would note, for completeness, that there might be a bit of confusion around the TOC's legal name. This
RailEngineer article from July 2018 notes KeolisAmey had won the £5 billion contract to run the Wales and Borders rail franchise over the next 15 years as the Operator and Development Partner (ODP) – a new kind of combined operator and infrastructure manager.
This is interesting when read in conjunction with the ONS determination that
Emergency Measures Agreements constituted public control, as it holds that the companies affected by this classification decision are: Keolis Amey Wales Cymru Ltd (the ODP); and Keolis Amey Operations Ltd (the OpCo, also known as Transport for Wales Rail Services).
Keolis Amey Wales Cymru Ltd is E&W Company Number 11391059, renamed Keolis Amey Rail Ltd with effect from 27 October 2021, while Keolis Amey Operations Ltd is Number 11389531 (and the company's legal name includes the Welsh in full, so it's actually Keolis Amey Operations / Gweithrediadau Keolis Amey Ltd). Both of these companies were incorporated in May 2018. There is a separate Keolis Amey Docklands Ltd, Number 09113304, that was incorporated in July 2014. XAM2175 (T) 18:49, 13 December 2022 (UTC)