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I've searched and I've not been able to find where it says that the Unified Canadian Junior Heavyweight Championship is promoted by MainStream Wrestling. I've checked Wrestling-Titles.com and it doesn't show that MSW has promoted any title like that. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 02:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Last month Kenny won the PCW Tag Team Championship with Chris Stevens. "When the smoke cleared, Kenny reversed Knight for the three count as Omega & Stevens became the Undisputed PCW Tag Team Champions" Here is the link, if someone could make the correct edit and link that would be great.
http://www.premierchampionshipwrestling.com/ It is under the results for Boiling Point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.71.67.60 ( talk) 00:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Came across a piece by media. starship .paint ~ ¡Olé! 03:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Could we mention this girl he delivered an enziguri to somewhere? Seems pretty legendary. Ranze ( talk) 01:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Didn't Meltzer give his match against Okada at WK11 six stars, not five? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.67.212 ( talk) 09:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC) Apologies, should've added that this pertains to the Championships & Accomplishments section, not the main body text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.67.212 ( talk) 09:16, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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Which of the two versions of a paragraph in the lead section is more suitable for the article?
A. Omega has also performed as part of American Ring of Honor and several independent professional wrestling promotions worldwide, including DDT Pro-Wrestling, Jersey All Pro Wrestling, and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla. Omega additionally was assigned to WWE farm territory, Deep South Wrestling, between 2005 and 2006.
B. Omega has also performed as part of larger national and international promotions, such as WWE and Ring of Honor, as well as independent professional wrestling promotions worldwide, including DDT Pro-Wrestling, Jersey All Pro Wrestling, and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla.
Please enter your votes under Survey and conduct any discussions under Comments. Thank you! KyleJoan talk 09:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
He never worked outisde Georgia.WP:OR; no citation in the article neither supports nor refutes this. The Lesnar article was promoted in '08, the Ziggler article in '10, the Benjamin article in '07, the Haas article in '09; do we really believe these articles could pass a reassesment? KyleJoan talk 17:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
American Ring of Honor? KyleJoan talk 18:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
assigned to other promotion as a develoment talent? KyleJoan talk 18:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Omega wrestled for WWE's development territory Deep South Wrestling from 2005 to 2006. It is true that DSW talents were signed to a WWE contact, per Slam Sports! and PWInsider, the fact remains that he never made it to television, or even a house show. A distinction should be made. DTH89(sexy talk page) 02:50, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Omega also wrestled extensively for Premier Championship Wrestling in his home country of Canada for much of his career. DTH89(sexy talk page) 02:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Hmm… At this point, I'm more in favor of removing any mention of DSW from the lead altogether. My belief was PCW was not mentioned in the lead because the promotion didn't have its own article and therefore was arguably not as notable as the ones that were included. Per MOS:LEADREL (i.e., . . . emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to published reliable sources.
), the lead shouldn't include every promotion in which he worked because there are more reliable sources supporting the documentation of his stints in more notable promotions.
KyleJoan
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summarize the most significant events in the wrestler's career for which they are known, including their stints in promotions, surely some time in WWE is notable for the lede, as he was technically on the books and under contract. Omega also mentioned his time under the WWE system in several interviews, so it's not like it's been swept under the rug. I think his time in DSW should stay, but perhaps not his PCW stint. DTH89(sexy talk page) 06:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Kenny Omega's in ring style includes overly dramatic facial expressions, an excessive amount of finger pointing, hopping before he runs, and on occasion jazz hands. It is said that Kenny Omega has a striking resemblance to Harpo Marx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redskull1944 ( talk • contribs) 13:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
On the latest episode of the podcast AEW Unrestricted, Tony Khan mentions that Kenny now lives in Florida. I was wondering if that should be something that should be added to the page or if we'd need more information in order to add it? Techno Bacon ( talk) 22:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
It’s confirmed that Kenny now lives in Florida. He either lives in Jacksonville or Orlando, and I believe Michael Nakazawa lives with him.
He also has a cat named Dobby CF27 ( talk) 18:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
This article reads like a fanzine. Omega has also been commented on in a less flattering manner. But you wouldn't know that from reading this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.83.246.23 ( talk) 14:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Just wondering what lede introduction sounds more appropriate to you guys. Should we stick with "Canadian born-Japanese" or maybe change to "Canadian professional wrestler living in Japan", or perhaps something else. Stating that he is a "Canadian born-Japanese" may make it sound like he is of Japanese descent, but he is just simply a Japanese citizen. A bit trivial I know, but might cause a bit of confusion. Just wondering what everyone thinks sounds better. Ducktech89 ( talk) 13:42, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Canadian-born Japanesemeans exactly that: Born in Canada, national of Japan. KyleJoan talk 14:07, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Canadian-born expat Japanese professional wrestler. I don't believe there was any further issue with the first sentence, as the discussion had been dead for seven months. KyleJoan talk 02:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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Add to the section about Winter is Coming that Omega won after he feigned an injury, allowing Don Callis to slide a microphone into the ring for Omega to use turning Omega heel in the process 50.36.162.241 ( talk) 00:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the current phrasing in the lede is particularly well written. Describing him as Canadian-born Japanese
gives
WP:UNDUE attention to the Japanese part of his nationality -- it seems to imply that he's no longer Canadian, or doesn't hold Canadian citizenship. Most articles like this would call him Canadian but mention in the personal life section that he holds dual nationality of both countries. I suggest either we do it that way round, or change it to be Canadian-Japanese
, as the current wording is rather misleading. Also his current residency in the personal life section needs updating -- does anyone know when he moved away from Japan? —
Czello 13:04, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
Canadian-born professional wrestlerand not stating any current national ties since it's been hard figuring out how his Japanese identity should factor into the opening paragraph. We can also note that he has multiple citizenships (i.e., Canadian and Japanese) in the infobox à la Olivia de Havilland and Timothée Chalamet. KyleJoan talk 13:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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In the section "Professional wrestling style and persona", in the sentence "For his final appearance for NJPW at Wrestle Kingdom 13, Smith collaborated with Undertale creator Toby Fox to create a custom entrance video in the style of the game, scored to a remix of the final boss theme "Hopes and Dreams".", the entrance video was to a remix of "Your Best Nightmare" and the actual entrance was to a remix of San's fight music in the game: "Megalovania".
change '"Hopes and Dreams"' to '"Megalovania"' GamerJF25 ( talk) 14:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Done — Czello 15:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Let's leave it up to consensus.
Omega has the AEW World, Impact World, and AAA Mega Championships.
That makes him a triple world champion, and there is a reliable source, (Wrestling Observer) which says as much.
For some reason, KyleJoan is fighting me tooth and nail not to include it in the article.
What we need are outside eyes to take a look and give their $0.02.
I'm not seeing the issue here, but instead of going back and forth, let others have a look-see and see what they think.
Vjmlhds (talk) 03:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
triple world champion? That aside, how many descriptions of Omega as champion would you like to include? He's a
cross-promotional champion(per Bleacher Report) as well, you know? KyleJoan talk 03:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
triple world championanywhere in that article. Where is it? KyleJoan talk 03:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
triple championand
triple world champion, which fails WP:V and WP:OR. Per your logic, we should state that Bayley and Keith Lee were double world champions in their respective articles as well since Pro Wrestling Sheet and Digital Spy said they were double champions.
“ | Omega is the AEW World Champion, Impact World Champion, and AAA Mega Champion. Which description of his holding three championships should be included in the body?
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a special meaningto the simultaneous world title reigns when no source has done so. Bleacher Report simply said he's a cross-promotional champion, highlighting the multiple promotions as the key description. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter simply said he would be a triple champion, highlighting the simultaneous multiple championship reigns rather than them being world championship reigns. I understand avid professional wrestling fans believe it's an accomplishment to hold three world titles at the same time, but I'll reiterate that no reliable source has shared this belief. KyleJoan talk 09:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
the first-ever inter-promotional triple champion in wrestling history(through granted, doesn't say the word "world"). — Czello 10:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign. Something like that? — Czello 09:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
blog by fanson their Twitter, which has only amassed around 900 followers, so I'm not sure how reliable their statement about Omega being the first triple champion is. It still sounds like we're scrambling to find sources to support including our own conclusions rather than include what the sources themselves have concluded in a neutral, due manner. KyleJoan talk 11:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
“ | Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, he appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling. He currently holds three titles across the three promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, all in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
Is a "triple world champion" a thing? I prefer Czello's suggestion: "Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign." (although maybe we could take out the second "three"). It says what is meant and needed without using a term with little to no generally accepted meaning or usage. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
first person to ever [become a triple champion]. Since we've determined that the only source for the idea is (most likely) unreliable, why unnecessarily alter the first paragraph? KyleJoan talk 16:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit, and right now there's no consensus to include the term or make mass changes to the lede. More importantly, how was it appropriate to alter the first paragraph to a version that was never proposed in this entire discussion? I also disagree that it tightened things up. Please refrain from making any changes related to the discussion until we achieve a consensus. KyleJoan talk 00:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, he appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling, with which AEW has partnerships. Omega currently holds [up for discussion] across the different promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, each in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
preference? I thought my latest proposal struck the
nice balanceyou mentioned. It does not include or exclude the term "three world championships". I simply asked you to pick a term to insert in the place of [up for discussion], and since "three world championships" remains an option, you could have easily picked it, which both Vjmlhds and DrewieStewie did. My question to Vjmlhds was to get final clarification on which one they preferred. All of that said, we can continue to pick the first paragraph apart if you insist that A is better than B.
“ | Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign. | ” |
“ | Omega currently holds [up for discussion] across the different promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, each in his first reign. | ” |
in AEW he is the AEW World Championis missing a comma, is it not? You didn't answer my other questions, but that's fine. Thank you for the phrasing suggestion; I'll make the change. I was simply incorporating GaryColemanFan's suggestion. How about this? I'll drop the preferred term query, and if anyone has an issue with "three world championships", then they can raise it at a later time. Let's settle this below. KyleJoan talk 08:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Let's make this brief. Which of the two versions of the first paragraph is more appropriate for the article?
A
“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
B
“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, he appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling, with which AEW has partnerships. Omega currently holds three world championships across their respective promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, all in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
Czello has stated that they favored A. I prefer B. Please respond at your leisure, Vjmlhds, HHH Pedrigree, Lee Vilenski, GaryColemanFan, DrewieStewie. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 08:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
I was going to leave a comment yesterday, but decided not to. Maybe I should have. I honestly can't believe that this went into this much discussion over the term "triple world champion." I honestly don't know why KyleJoan had such an issue with this terminology. One of his issues was that RS's didn't call it that. They don't have to when it's COMMONSENSE. Triple world champion, triple champion, triple whatever means he holds three championships, in this case world championships, simultaneously (and there is no dispute that these are in fact world championships, that's what they have been designated as by the respective promotions; RS's don't make that decision). This is literally the same as when Becky Lynch, Bayley, and Sasha Banks all held two titles simultaneously in the past couple of years and were called a double champion (because they held two championships simultaneously). I also have an alternate proposal to writing this lead paragraph, which we can call option C. It combines elements of both A and B and also corrects some grammatical errors and redundancies. Pinging DrewieStewie, HHH Pedrigree, and Lee Vilenski as they had already voted but may prefer this new suggestion. Also pinging Czello since he commented before this post. Also, I believe the "with which AEW has partnerships" is important to note as Omega isn't contracted to the other two, at least not Impact. He's there via that partnership.
C
“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. He is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, Omega appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling, with which AEW has partnerships. He is currently the holder of the three promotions' respective world championships: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, each in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
-- JDC808 ♫ 09:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
is currently the holder of the three promotions' respective world championshipsas opposed to
currently holds three world championships across their respective promotionsand
eachinstead of
all. If we want to get nitpicky,
currently the holdersounds superfluous; I thought it when Czello originally presented it, and I think it now. If we lose
currently, saying he is
the holdersounds even more awkward because we could easily say he is the X Champion, Y Champion, and Z Champion. If we lose the adverb from B, the sentence would work just as well. I also don't believe it is correct to suggest that KyleJoan was the only person to take issue with "triple world champion" just because they were the most elaborate about it. KyleJoan talk 10:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
extensive and nitpickydiscussion and make it more
extensive and nitpicky. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 11:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't care which option is used, as long as it doesn't have "triple world champion". GaryColemanFan ( talk) 13:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
BTW - WP:Peacock doesn't apply here, as to say someone is a triple champion merely says he has 3 different championships (triple = 3, just as double = 2, quadruple = 4, etc.) Now, if I had said Omega was the greatest thing since slice bread or the world's greatest wrestler, or something along those lines, then that's getting into peacock territory, but to merely use the phrase "triple champion" when somebody has 3 championships doesn't get to that stage. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
cross-promotional champion, but I'd rather not propose including a statement about him being a triple and cross-promotional champion. Not only that, but I found two reliable sources that say that Omega now holds four titles in total (since apparently the Unified Impact Championship counts as two to some): F4Wonline.com and Súper Luchas. Are you OK with the simple inclusion of the term "three world championships" without any monikers or would you like to continue the discussion to change that to "four championships"? Your choice. KyleJoan talk 16:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Right. To clarify, I don't care about the phrasing as long as it isn't "triple world champion" or "triple champion". Let's just be clear. Three championships or three world championships. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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TGHL ↗ 23:46, 7 May 2021 (UTC)I removed three new images that were included in the past week and provided my reasoning here. The addition also seemed undue because all three photos are from the same event. It's not as if the article is short on images. Thoughts? KyleJoan talk 18:23, 8 November 2021 (UTC)
months of "plot"does not exist in prose or sources (e.g.,
Civil War). Regardless of how significant it is to fans, Omega and Ibushi's moment is only suitable as a bare mention in prose since that's what the source gives it. Your second point does not indicate this article needs more images; Obama containing more does not mean that that article has too many or that this one has too few.
I think it would be very strange in one of the rare instances where we do have such imagesNo guideline states we must use
rarefiles. While Omega and Cody's feud in NJPW is documented, it would be almost futile to include images that mainly (if not entirely) focus on Cody, as there are six from Omega's time in NJPW already.
"Civil War"in Bullet Club and a reunion between Omega and Ibushi
after many years apart. I genuinely don't see them. We could illustrate the article with many images (e.g., Omega performing the One-Winged Angel; Kazuchika Okada, with whom Omega had seven-star matches; the Bullet Club logo). All three examples, seen below, illustrate the article and help readers. Does that mean they should be included? Is the standard for inclusion that low?
The two former tag team partners and close friends went their separate ways in 2014[1]
English-language commentator Kevin Kelly extrapolated on [the reunion in 2018] we just saw before our very eyes: “This is what the fans have been waiting for literally for years"[2]
They last wrestled as a team in 2014 and their [first ] match [back together] last weekend [in 2018] was highly anticipated among the pro wrestling cognoscenti.[3]
“Bullet Club is fine” was a phrase Cody repeated time and again in an attempt to quell talk that trouble was brewing between him and Bullet Club leader Kenny Omega. However, to paraphrase a line from “Pulp Fiction,” it was evident that things were pretty far from fine. Cody obviously wanted to supplant Omega as the leader of the faction, and it forced their fellow Bullet Club members to choose sides in a civil war that played out in both Ring of Honor and New Japan Pro-Wrestling. A match between the two alpha males was inevitable, and it took place at Supercard of Honor in April. Cody scored a tainted victory by pinning Omega after The Young Bucks attempted to superkick Cody but inadvertently nailed Omega instead. Nothing was truly settled, and a rematch was booked for NJPW’s G1 Special -- and this time the stakes were even higher because Omega’s IWGP Heavyweight Title was on the line. In a wild and intense match that featured the use of tables and ladders as weapons, Omega emerged as the victor of the match and the feud.[4] "Feud Of The Year: Cody vs Kenny Omega" - ROHwrestling.com
The Week in Wrestling: Tama Tonga Says Bullet Club Civil War ‘Has Been a Long Time Coming’[5]
Because ... it comes across as if you've no memory or knowledge of any of this occurring.I'm not comfortable with citing my personal
memory or knowledgeand violating WP:DUE to give the Omega and Ibushi reunion more weight than its actual prominence in sources. Maybe that's where you and I differ.
Streamers literally fell from the roof to mark its importance.Streamers aren't reliable sources. KyleJoan talk 01:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
However, one of the most prominent types of angles in Japanese pro-wrestling is a less abstracted one: friendship and betrayal. Most real combat sports are isolated endeavors. Fights that involve teams in almost any form are incredibly rare. Rather, professional fights are commonly discussed as being the culmination of two skilled and dedicated individuals who compare each other’s training and physical condition to determine who can be considered stronger and more skilled, at least until they fight again. This highly individualistic narrative leaves little room for discussion of friendship. In pro-wrestling, though, there are ample opportunities to inject such stories. One of the most obvious ways is through tag team matches, which NJPW features quite prominently...
...One particularly famous example though, is that of the Golden Lovers, Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi. Omega and Ibushi first met in 2008 in the Japanese promotion DDT, and in 2009 formed their tag team, the Golden Lovers, whose loose gimmick was the vague implication of being in a romantic relationship. The team quickly grew in popularity, in 2010 debuting in New Japan, where they went on to take the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship from Apollo 55, a match that earned the magazine Tokyo Sports’ Best Bout Award for 2010.86 Eventually, both Omega and Ibushi would become regular members of NJPW, but their relationship soon appeared to sour, particularly as Omega joined the Bullet Club in 2014 under the leadership of A.J. Styles. Omega eventually became leader of the Bullet Club by attacking Styles and became one of NJPW’s most prominent heels. In time, though, tensions mounted between him and stablemate Cody. These tensions eventually came to a head when, at New Year Dash 2018, Omega interrupted a ritual Bullet Club attack on Ibushi led by Cody.87 Then, at New Beginning in Sapporo 2018, Cody attempted to usurp Omega and attack him with the rest of the Club, in a similar move to how Omega himself had taken over the faction from A.J. Styles. Ibushi, though, interrupted the attack, fended off the Bullet Club members, and warmly embraced Omega (see fig. 6) .88 With this, the Golden Lovers were reformed, and Ibushi would accompany Omega for many of his most important matches with the promotion, such as his title victory against Kazuchika Okada, as well as in a fight with Cody at the 2018 G1 Special in San Francisco that instigated Omega’s reconciliation with him as well.89 Being an IWGP Heavyweight Champion and an otherwise high profile member of NJPW’s roster, the fact that so many of Omega’s storylines during his time at the company revolved around friendship, betrayal, and reunion highlights these themes’ prevalence in Japanese wrestling.
Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence.Well? KyleJoan talk 03:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi’s recent reunion stands to be the next great friendship story in wrestling, in large part because it’s based on (again) a very earnest and real friendship. An exhaustive history of the Golden Lovers was written in the aftermath of New Beginning by Emily Pratt and it’s worth reading in full, but the very general gist is that these two men met in the quasi-comedy/high weirdness of Japan’s DDT promotion, formed a remarkable tag team, and then went their separate ways, Ibushi to a sort of traveling free agent pro wrestling dilettante, Omega to headlining NJPW shows. When Ibushi saved Omega from a double-crossing attack by fellow Bullet Club member Cody Rhodes, they embraced and confetti actually fell from the rafters. The crowd went nuts. All of that is fairly standard, if extremely heartfelt due to just how beloved both men are in Japan. But the statements afterwards ratcheted up the raw emotion. “If we aren’t together, there’s no point. I want us to change the world together,” Omega told Tokyo Sports.- Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi's Friendship is Why We Love Pro Wrestling by Ian Williams, Vice News. The article goes on to discuss the significance and undertones of their reunion. The image featured at the beginning of the article is...surprise, surprise, Omega and Ibushi embracing at New Beginnings in Sapporo.
It’s been 18 months since pro wrestlers Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi, collectively known as the Golden Lovers, reunited with a tearful embrace in the middle of a New Japan Pro Wrestling ring. The moment was 10 years in the making, bringing two men with a unique love and history together in one of the industry’s most positive portrayals of coded same-sex relationships.- The LGBTQ pro wrestling movement is alive and well in the Golden Lovers’ wake by Brian C. Bell, Outsports [9]
one of the industry's ... coded same-sex relationships, then that source would not suffice. Vice Media, on the other hand, seems adequate, so congrats on that.
undertones of their reunion? KyleJoan talk 06:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Is the only reason you're opposing ... because you're not comfortable with the third one?Lol.
Your reasoning ... has jumped all over the place.Sorry that I'm able to hold and present multiple thoughts at once? Take it to dispute resolution if you'd like. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 09:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
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Smith has suffered from vertigo since 2018. Due to the condition, he trained to wrestle in a ring that spins.[199]
In the linked article, this is the statement made;
"“Yeah, it's been an issue since 2018. I just get really bad vertigo. I get dizzy in the ring. I can't — the room spins. It's been a new skill I've had to inherit is wrestling in a spinning ring. So to make sure I get that straightened out as much as I can, as often as I can is really paramount for my performances.""
This has nothing to do with Omega actually creating a spinning ring. Vertigo makes it feel to him like the ring is spinning when he wrestles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllYourKayfabeFriends ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the infobox image for Kenny Omega continues to be an unflattering image from 6 years ago?
I can't help but think that the constant reverting of this article to include this image as the main photo is being done so as an act of vandalism (i.e. editing an article intentionally to portray a subject in a negative/unappealing light). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantinFR ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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Requesting "Canadian-born" to be changed into "Canadian" as in other Wikipedia articles "x-born" is used for people who were born and raised in different countries which isn't the case for Kenny Omega. 46.106.110.247 ( talk) 13:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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"x-born" in other Wikipedia articles imply that the person was born and raised in different countries, which is not the case for Kenny Omega. Here's a source where's mentioned being a native Canadian: https://www.gamesradar.com/meet-kenny-omega-wrestler-every-gamer-should-know/ As per Wikipedia standards, in the first paragraph he should be addressed as "Canadian" and his dual-Japanese nationality should be mentioned in the "personal life" section. 46.106.110.247 ( talk) 13:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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I've searched and I've not been able to find where it says that the Unified Canadian Junior Heavyweight Championship is promoted by MainStream Wrestling. I've checked Wrestling-Titles.com and it doesn't show that MSW has promoted any title like that. Mr. C.C. Hey yo! I didn't do it! 02:59, 17 September 2010 (UTC)
Last month Kenny won the PCW Tag Team Championship with Chris Stevens. "When the smoke cleared, Kenny reversed Knight for the three count as Omega & Stevens became the Undisputed PCW Tag Team Champions" Here is the link, if someone could make the correct edit and link that would be great.
http://www.premierchampionshipwrestling.com/ It is under the results for Boiling Point. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 50.71.67.60 ( talk) 00:42, 13 August 2011 (UTC)
Came across a piece by media. starship .paint ~ ¡Olé! 03:21, 3 March 2015 (UTC)
Could we mention this girl he delivered an enziguri to somewhere? Seems pretty legendary. Ranze ( talk) 01:53, 11 August 2015 (UTC)
Didn't Meltzer give his match against Okada at WK11 six stars, not five? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.67.212 ( talk) 09:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC) Apologies, should've added that this pertains to the Championships & Accomplishments section, not the main body text. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.167.67.212 ( talk) 09:16, 10 January 2017 (UTC)
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Which of the two versions of a paragraph in the lead section is more suitable for the article?
A. Omega has also performed as part of American Ring of Honor and several independent professional wrestling promotions worldwide, including DDT Pro-Wrestling, Jersey All Pro Wrestling, and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla. Omega additionally was assigned to WWE farm territory, Deep South Wrestling, between 2005 and 2006.
B. Omega has also performed as part of larger national and international promotions, such as WWE and Ring of Honor, as well as independent professional wrestling promotions worldwide, including DDT Pro-Wrestling, Jersey All Pro Wrestling, and Pro Wrestling Guerrilla.
Please enter your votes under Survey and conduct any discussions under Comments. Thank you! KyleJoan talk 09:50, 20 January 2020 (UTC)
He never worked outisde Georgia.WP:OR; no citation in the article neither supports nor refutes this. The Lesnar article was promoted in '08, the Ziggler article in '10, the Benjamin article in '07, the Haas article in '09; do we really believe these articles could pass a reassesment? KyleJoan talk 17:06, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
American Ring of Honor? KyleJoan talk 18:00, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
assigned to other promotion as a develoment talent? KyleJoan talk 18:11, 31 January 2020 (UTC)
Omega wrestled for WWE's development territory Deep South Wrestling from 2005 to 2006. It is true that DSW talents were signed to a WWE contact, per Slam Sports! and PWInsider, the fact remains that he never made it to television, or even a house show. A distinction should be made. DTH89(sexy talk page) 02:50, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Omega also wrestled extensively for Premier Championship Wrestling in his home country of Canada for much of his career. DTH89(sexy talk page) 02:59, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Hmm… At this point, I'm more in favor of removing any mention of DSW from the lead altogether. My belief was PCW was not mentioned in the lead because the promotion didn't have its own article and therefore was arguably not as notable as the ones that were included. Per MOS:LEADREL (i.e., . . . emphasis given to material should reflect its relative importance to the subject, according to published reliable sources.
), the lead shouldn't include every promotion in which he worked because there are more reliable sources supporting the documentation of his stints in more notable promotions.
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summarize the most significant events in the wrestler's career for which they are known, including their stints in promotions, surely some time in WWE is notable for the lede, as he was technically on the books and under contract. Omega also mentioned his time under the WWE system in several interviews, so it's not like it's been swept under the rug. I think his time in DSW should stay, but perhaps not his PCW stint. DTH89(sexy talk page) 06:02, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
Kenny Omega's in ring style includes overly dramatic facial expressions, an excessive amount of finger pointing, hopping before he runs, and on occasion jazz hands. It is said that Kenny Omega has a striking resemblance to Harpo Marx. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Redskull1944 ( talk • contribs) 13:00, 29 February 2020 (UTC)
On the latest episode of the podcast AEW Unrestricted, Tony Khan mentions that Kenny now lives in Florida. I was wondering if that should be something that should be added to the page or if we'd need more information in order to add it? Techno Bacon ( talk) 22:47, 18 March 2020 (UTC)
It’s confirmed that Kenny now lives in Florida. He either lives in Jacksonville or Orlando, and I believe Michael Nakazawa lives with him.
He also has a cat named Dobby CF27 ( talk) 18:11, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
This article reads like a fanzine. Omega has also been commented on in a less flattering manner. But you wouldn't know that from reading this article. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 197.83.246.23 ( talk) 14:19, 28 July 2020 (UTC)
Just wondering what lede introduction sounds more appropriate to you guys. Should we stick with "Canadian born-Japanese" or maybe change to "Canadian professional wrestler living in Japan", or perhaps something else. Stating that he is a "Canadian born-Japanese" may make it sound like he is of Japanese descent, but he is just simply a Japanese citizen. A bit trivial I know, but might cause a bit of confusion. Just wondering what everyone thinks sounds better. Ducktech89 ( talk) 13:42, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Canadian-born Japanesemeans exactly that: Born in Canada, national of Japan. KyleJoan talk 14:07, 16 January 2020 (UTC)
Canadian-born expat Japanese professional wrestler. I don't believe there was any further issue with the first sentence, as the discussion had been dead for seven months. KyleJoan talk 02:11, 26 August 2020 (UTC)
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Add to the section about Winter is Coming that Omega won after he feigned an injury, allowing Don Callis to slide a microphone into the ring for Omega to use turning Omega heel in the process 50.36.162.241 ( talk) 00:50, 7 December 2020 (UTC)
I don't think the current phrasing in the lede is particularly well written. Describing him as Canadian-born Japanese
gives
WP:UNDUE attention to the Japanese part of his nationality -- it seems to imply that he's no longer Canadian, or doesn't hold Canadian citizenship. Most articles like this would call him Canadian but mention in the personal life section that he holds dual nationality of both countries. I suggest either we do it that way round, or change it to be Canadian-Japanese
, as the current wording is rather misleading. Also his current residency in the personal life section needs updating -- does anyone know when he moved away from Japan? —
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Canadian-born professional wrestlerand not stating any current national ties since it's been hard figuring out how his Japanese identity should factor into the opening paragraph. We can also note that he has multiple citizenships (i.e., Canadian and Japanese) in the infobox à la Olivia de Havilland and Timothée Chalamet. KyleJoan talk 13:18, 16 December 2020 (UTC)
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Change the AEW section of championships and accomplishments to include the Dynamite Awards Omega won 50.36.91.100 ( talk) 17:03, 31 January 2021 (UTC)
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In the section "Professional wrestling style and persona", in the sentence "For his final appearance for NJPW at Wrestle Kingdom 13, Smith collaborated with Undertale creator Toby Fox to create a custom entrance video in the style of the game, scored to a remix of the final boss theme "Hopes and Dreams".", the entrance video was to a remix of "Your Best Nightmare" and the actual entrance was to a remix of San's fight music in the game: "Megalovania".
change '"Hopes and Dreams"' to '"Megalovania"' GamerJF25 ( talk) 14:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Done — Czello 15:00, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
Let's leave it up to consensus.
Omega has the AEW World, Impact World, and AAA Mega Championships.
That makes him a triple world champion, and there is a reliable source, (Wrestling Observer) which says as much.
For some reason, KyleJoan is fighting me tooth and nail not to include it in the article.
What we need are outside eyes to take a look and give their $0.02.
I'm not seeing the issue here, but instead of going back and forth, let others have a look-see and see what they think.
Vjmlhds (talk) 03:12, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
triple world champion? That aside, how many descriptions of Omega as champion would you like to include? He's a
cross-promotional champion(per Bleacher Report) as well, you know? KyleJoan talk 03:18, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
triple world championanywhere in that article. Where is it? KyleJoan talk 03:33, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
triple championand
triple world champion, which fails WP:V and WP:OR. Per your logic, we should state that Bayley and Keith Lee were double world champions in their respective articles as well since Pro Wrestling Sheet and Digital Spy said they were double champions.
“ | Omega is the AEW World Champion, Impact World Champion, and AAA Mega Champion. Which description of his holding three championships should be included in the body?
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a special meaningto the simultaneous world title reigns when no source has done so. Bleacher Report simply said he's a cross-promotional champion, highlighting the multiple promotions as the key description. The Wrestling Observer Newsletter simply said he would be a triple champion, highlighting the simultaneous multiple championship reigns rather than them being world championship reigns. I understand avid professional wrestling fans believe it's an accomplishment to hold three world titles at the same time, but I'll reiterate that no reliable source has shared this belief. KyleJoan talk 09:58, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
the first-ever inter-promotional triple champion in wrestling history(through granted, doesn't say the word "world"). — Czello 10:32, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign. Something like that? — Czello 09:11, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
blog by fanson their Twitter, which has only amassed around 900 followers, so I'm not sure how reliable their statement about Omega being the first triple champion is. It still sounds like we're scrambling to find sources to support including our own conclusions rather than include what the sources themselves have concluded in a neutral, due manner. KyleJoan talk 11:37, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
“ | Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, he appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling. He currently holds three titles across the three promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, all in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
Is a "triple world champion" a thing? I prefer Czello's suggestion: "Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign." (although maybe we could take out the second "three"). It says what is meant and needed without using a term with little to no generally accepted meaning or usage. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 14:54, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
first person to ever [become a triple champion]. Since we've determined that the only source for the idea is (most likely) unreliable, why unnecessarily alter the first paragraph? KyleJoan talk 16:01, 27 April 2021 (UTC)
a lack of consensus commonly results in retaining the version of the article as it was prior to the proposal or bold edit, and right now there's no consensus to include the term or make mass changes to the lede. More importantly, how was it appropriate to alter the first paragraph to a version that was never proposed in this entire discussion? I also disagree that it tightened things up. Please refrain from making any changes related to the discussion until we achieve a consensus. KyleJoan talk 00:22, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, he appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling, with which AEW has partnerships. Omega currently holds [up for discussion] across the different promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, each in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
preference? I thought my latest proposal struck the
nice balanceyou mentioned. It does not include or exclude the term "three world championships". I simply asked you to pick a term to insert in the place of [up for discussion], and since "three world championships" remains an option, you could have easily picked it, which both Vjmlhds and DrewieStewie did. My question to Vjmlhds was to get final clarification on which one they preferred. All of that said, we can continue to pick the first paragraph apart if you insist that A is better than B.
“ | Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign. | ” |
“ | Omega currently holds [up for discussion] across the different promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, each in his first reign. | ” |
in AEW he is the AEW World Championis missing a comma, is it not? You didn't answer my other questions, but that's fine. Thank you for the phrasing suggestion; I'll make the change. I was simply incorporating GaryColemanFan's suggestion. How about this? I'll drop the preferred term query, and if anyone has an issue with "three world championships", then they can raise it at a later time. Let's settle this below. KyleJoan talk 08:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
Let's make this brief. Which of the two versions of the first paragraph is more appropriate for the article?
A
“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. Omega is currently the holder of three world championships from three different promotions: in AEW he is the current AEW World Champion, in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide the current AAA Mega Champion, and in Impact Wrestling the current Impact World Champion, each in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
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“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. Omega is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, he appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling, with which AEW has partnerships. Omega currently holds three world championships across their respective promotions: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, all in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
Czello has stated that they favored A. I prefer B. Please respond at your leisure, Vjmlhds, HHH Pedrigree, Lee Vilenski, GaryColemanFan, DrewieStewie. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 08:13, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
I was going to leave a comment yesterday, but decided not to. Maybe I should have. I honestly can't believe that this went into this much discussion over the term "triple world champion." I honestly don't know why KyleJoan had such an issue with this terminology. One of his issues was that RS's didn't call it that. They don't have to when it's COMMONSENSE. Triple world champion, triple champion, triple whatever means he holds three championships, in this case world championships, simultaneously (and there is no dispute that these are in fact world championships, that's what they have been designated as by the respective promotions; RS's don't make that decision). This is literally the same as when Becky Lynch, Bayley, and Sasha Banks all held two titles simultaneously in the past couple of years and were called a double champion (because they held two championships simultaneously). I also have an alternate proposal to writing this lead paragraph, which we can call option C. It combines elements of both A and B and also corrects some grammatical errors and redundancies. Pinging DrewieStewie, HHH Pedrigree, and Lee Vilenski as they had already voted but may prefer this new suggestion. Also pinging Czello since he commented before this post. Also, I believe the "with which AEW has partnerships" is important to note as Omega isn't contracted to the other two, at least not Impact. He's there via that partnership.
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“ | Tyson Smith (born October 16, 1983), better known by the ring name Kenny Omega, is a Canadian-born professional wrestler. He is an executive vice president of All Elite Wrestling (AEW), in which he also performs. In addition, Omega appears in Lucha Libre AAA Worldwide and Impact Wrestling, with which AEW has partnerships. He is currently the holder of the three promotions' respective world championships: the AEW World Championship, the AAA Mega Championship, and the Impact World Championship, each in his first reign. He is also a former AEW World Tag Team Champion. | ” |
-- JDC808 ♫ 09:51, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
is currently the holder of the three promotions' respective world championshipsas opposed to
currently holds three world championships across their respective promotionsand
eachinstead of
all. If we want to get nitpicky,
currently the holdersounds superfluous; I thought it when Czello originally presented it, and I think it now. If we lose
currently, saying he is
the holdersounds even more awkward because we could easily say he is the X Champion, Y Champion, and Z Champion. If we lose the adverb from B, the sentence would work just as well. I also don't believe it is correct to suggest that KyleJoan was the only person to take issue with "triple world champion" just because they were the most elaborate about it. KyleJoan talk 10:32, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
extensive and nitpickydiscussion and make it more
extensive and nitpicky. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 11:31, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
I don't care which option is used, as long as it doesn't have "triple world champion". GaryColemanFan ( talk) 13:16, 28 April 2021 (UTC)
BTW - WP:Peacock doesn't apply here, as to say someone is a triple champion merely says he has 3 different championships (triple = 3, just as double = 2, quadruple = 4, etc.) Now, if I had said Omega was the greatest thing since slice bread or the world's greatest wrestler, or something along those lines, then that's getting into peacock territory, but to merely use the phrase "triple champion" when somebody has 3 championships doesn't get to that stage. Vjmlhds (talk) 15:56, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
cross-promotional champion, but I'd rather not propose including a statement about him being a triple and cross-promotional champion. Not only that, but I found two reliable sources that say that Omega now holds four titles in total (since apparently the Unified Impact Championship counts as two to some): F4Wonline.com and Súper Luchas. Are you OK with the simple inclusion of the term "three world championships" without any monikers or would you like to continue the discussion to change that to "four championships"? Your choice. KyleJoan talk 16:54, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
Right. To clarify, I don't care about the phrasing as long as it isn't "triple world champion" or "triple champion". Let's just be clear. Three championships or three world championships. GaryColemanFan ( talk) 23:17, 29 April 2021 (UTC)
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months of "plot"does not exist in prose or sources (e.g.,
Civil War). Regardless of how significant it is to fans, Omega and Ibushi's moment is only suitable as a bare mention in prose since that's what the source gives it. Your second point does not indicate this article needs more images; Obama containing more does not mean that that article has too many or that this one has too few.
I think it would be very strange in one of the rare instances where we do have such imagesNo guideline states we must use
rarefiles. While Omega and Cody's feud in NJPW is documented, it would be almost futile to include images that mainly (if not entirely) focus on Cody, as there are six from Omega's time in NJPW already.
"Civil War"in Bullet Club and a reunion between Omega and Ibushi
after many years apart. I genuinely don't see them. We could illustrate the article with many images (e.g., Omega performing the One-Winged Angel; Kazuchika Okada, with whom Omega had seven-star matches; the Bullet Club logo). All three examples, seen below, illustrate the article and help readers. Does that mean they should be included? Is the standard for inclusion that low?
The two former tag team partners and close friends went their separate ways in 2014[1]
English-language commentator Kevin Kelly extrapolated on [the reunion in 2018] we just saw before our very eyes: “This is what the fans have been waiting for literally for years"[2]
They last wrestled as a team in 2014 and their [first ] match [back together] last weekend [in 2018] was highly anticipated among the pro wrestling cognoscenti.[3]
“Bullet Club is fine” was a phrase Cody repeated time and again in an attempt to quell talk that trouble was brewing between him and Bullet Club leader Kenny Omega. However, to paraphrase a line from “Pulp Fiction,” it was evident that things were pretty far from fine. Cody obviously wanted to supplant Omega as the leader of the faction, and it forced their fellow Bullet Club members to choose sides in a civil war that played out in both Ring of Honor and New Japan Pro-Wrestling. A match between the two alpha males was inevitable, and it took place at Supercard of Honor in April. Cody scored a tainted victory by pinning Omega after The Young Bucks attempted to superkick Cody but inadvertently nailed Omega instead. Nothing was truly settled, and a rematch was booked for NJPW’s G1 Special -- and this time the stakes were even higher because Omega’s IWGP Heavyweight Title was on the line. In a wild and intense match that featured the use of tables and ladders as weapons, Omega emerged as the victor of the match and the feud.[4] "Feud Of The Year: Cody vs Kenny Omega" - ROHwrestling.com
The Week in Wrestling: Tama Tonga Says Bullet Club Civil War ‘Has Been a Long Time Coming’[5]
Because ... it comes across as if you've no memory or knowledge of any of this occurring.I'm not comfortable with citing my personal
memory or knowledgeand violating WP:DUE to give the Omega and Ibushi reunion more weight than its actual prominence in sources. Maybe that's where you and I differ.
Streamers literally fell from the roof to mark its importance.Streamers aren't reliable sources. KyleJoan talk 01:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
However, one of the most prominent types of angles in Japanese pro-wrestling is a less abstracted one: friendship and betrayal. Most real combat sports are isolated endeavors. Fights that involve teams in almost any form are incredibly rare. Rather, professional fights are commonly discussed as being the culmination of two skilled and dedicated individuals who compare each other’s training and physical condition to determine who can be considered stronger and more skilled, at least until they fight again. This highly individualistic narrative leaves little room for discussion of friendship. In pro-wrestling, though, there are ample opportunities to inject such stories. One of the most obvious ways is through tag team matches, which NJPW features quite prominently...
...One particularly famous example though, is that of the Golden Lovers, Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi. Omega and Ibushi first met in 2008 in the Japanese promotion DDT, and in 2009 formed their tag team, the Golden Lovers, whose loose gimmick was the vague implication of being in a romantic relationship. The team quickly grew in popularity, in 2010 debuting in New Japan, where they went on to take the IWGP Junior Heavyweight Tag Team Championship from Apollo 55, a match that earned the magazine Tokyo Sports’ Best Bout Award for 2010.86 Eventually, both Omega and Ibushi would become regular members of NJPW, but their relationship soon appeared to sour, particularly as Omega joined the Bullet Club in 2014 under the leadership of A.J. Styles. Omega eventually became leader of the Bullet Club by attacking Styles and became one of NJPW’s most prominent heels. In time, though, tensions mounted between him and stablemate Cody. These tensions eventually came to a head when, at New Year Dash 2018, Omega interrupted a ritual Bullet Club attack on Ibushi led by Cody.87 Then, at New Beginning in Sapporo 2018, Cody attempted to usurp Omega and attack him with the rest of the Club, in a similar move to how Omega himself had taken over the faction from A.J. Styles. Ibushi, though, interrupted the attack, fended off the Bullet Club members, and warmly embraced Omega (see fig. 6) .88 With this, the Golden Lovers were reformed, and Ibushi would accompany Omega for many of his most important matches with the promotion, such as his title victory against Kazuchika Okada, as well as in a fight with Cody at the 2018 G1 Special in San Francisco that instigated Omega’s reconciliation with him as well.89 Being an IWGP Heavyweight Champion and an otherwise high profile member of NJPW’s roster, the fact that so many of Omega’s storylines during his time at the company revolved around friendship, betrayal, and reunion highlights these themes’ prevalence in Japanese wrestling.
Masters dissertations and theses are considered reliable only if they can be shown to have had significant scholarly influence.Well? KyleJoan talk 03:44, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi’s recent reunion stands to be the next great friendship story in wrestling, in large part because it’s based on (again) a very earnest and real friendship. An exhaustive history of the Golden Lovers was written in the aftermath of New Beginning by Emily Pratt and it’s worth reading in full, but the very general gist is that these two men met in the quasi-comedy/high weirdness of Japan’s DDT promotion, formed a remarkable tag team, and then went their separate ways, Ibushi to a sort of traveling free agent pro wrestling dilettante, Omega to headlining NJPW shows. When Ibushi saved Omega from a double-crossing attack by fellow Bullet Club member Cody Rhodes, they embraced and confetti actually fell from the rafters. The crowd went nuts. All of that is fairly standard, if extremely heartfelt due to just how beloved both men are in Japan. But the statements afterwards ratcheted up the raw emotion. “If we aren’t together, there’s no point. I want us to change the world together,” Omega told Tokyo Sports.- Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi's Friendship is Why We Love Pro Wrestling by Ian Williams, Vice News. The article goes on to discuss the significance and undertones of their reunion. The image featured at the beginning of the article is...surprise, surprise, Omega and Ibushi embracing at New Beginnings in Sapporo.
It’s been 18 months since pro wrestlers Kenny Omega and Kota Ibushi, collectively known as the Golden Lovers, reunited with a tearful embrace in the middle of a New Japan Pro Wrestling ring. The moment was 10 years in the making, bringing two men with a unique love and history together in one of the industry’s most positive portrayals of coded same-sex relationships.- The LGBTQ pro wrestling movement is alive and well in the Golden Lovers’ wake by Brian C. Bell, Outsports [9]
one of the industry's ... coded same-sex relationships, then that source would not suffice. Vice Media, on the other hand, seems adequate, so congrats on that.
undertones of their reunion? KyleJoan talk 06:17, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Is the only reason you're opposing ... because you're not comfortable with the third one?Lol.
Your reasoning ... has jumped all over the place.Sorry that I'm able to hold and present multiple thoughts at once? Take it to dispute resolution if you'd like. Cheers! KyleJoan talk 09:24, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
This addition was added in misunderstanding.
Smith has suffered from vertigo since 2018. Due to the condition, he trained to wrestle in a ring that spins.[199]
In the linked article, this is the statement made;
"“Yeah, it's been an issue since 2018. I just get really bad vertigo. I get dizzy in the ring. I can't — the room spins. It's been a new skill I've had to inherit is wrestling in a spinning ring. So to make sure I get that straightened out as much as I can, as often as I can is really paramount for my performances.""
This has nothing to do with Omega actually creating a spinning ring. Vertigo makes it feel to him like the ring is spinning when he wrestles. — Preceding unsigned comment added by AllYourKayfabeFriends ( talk • contribs) 15:27, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Is there a reason why the infobox image for Kenny Omega continues to be an unflattering image from 6 years ago?
I can't help but think that the constant reverting of this article to include this image as the main photo is being done so as an act of vandalism (i.e. editing an article intentionally to portray a subject in a negative/unappealing light). — Preceding unsigned comment added by PantinFR ( talk • contribs) 18:44, 21 February 2022 (UTC)
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Requesting "Canadian-born" to be changed into "Canadian" as in other Wikipedia articles "x-born" is used for people who were born and raised in different countries which isn't the case for Kenny Omega. 46.106.110.247 ( talk) 13:26, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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"x-born" in other Wikipedia articles imply that the person was born and raised in different countries, which is not the case for Kenny Omega. Here's a source where's mentioned being a native Canadian: https://www.gamesradar.com/meet-kenny-omega-wrestler-every-gamer-should-know/ As per Wikipedia standards, in the first paragraph he should be addressed as "Canadian" and his dual-Japanese nationality should be mentioned in the "personal life" section. 46.106.110.247 ( talk) 13:55, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
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talk) 14:06, 13 May 2022 (UTC)Yes but "x-born" is strictly used for what I mentioned above. Kenny Omega was born and raised in Canada and gained Japanese citizenship much later in life. As per Wikipedia standards, the opening paragraph should read "Canadian" professional wrestler. Gabagoolgoomar ( talk) 14:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)