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There's kind of an apologist slant in favor of the House of Netjer/Kemetic Orthodoxy; I cleaned up the biased language a little, but I don't trust myself to get rid of it entirely, as I'm pretty biased towards the House of Netjer myself. Anybody want to have a go at it?
As an aside, it'd be interesting if someone put in about the history of rivalry between HoN and Per Ankh. Switchercat 03:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I think a part of this is just that a lot of the writers are most familiar with Kemetic Orthodoxy. By all means, if somebody has other things to contribute or if they want to make the language less biased, I think they should. The only problem I think could happen is it could go the other direction. Falsetto 00:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The definition given of 'monolatry' in the article conflicts with the Monolatry article. I'm not sure if there should be a mention or not - I encountered this page via the random feature and know nothing about the topic :) Cheyinka 05:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Since Kemetic Orthodoxy is a stub and doesn't seem to be getting any longer, and since this article seems to contain a lot of material related to Kemetic Orthodoxy without really explaining what it is and how it relates to the rest of Kemetic Recon, I thought it might be a good idea to merge the two. We did something similar with Hellenic polytheism, and it's been really helpful to have all of the different groups/traditions/factions in one place so that it's easy to see when we're making questionable generalizations based on the practices of one group or swaying towards the POV of one or another. What do people think? - AdelaMa e ( talk - contribs) 18:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The New Kemet Movement is a relatively new separatist (religious) movement, fifteen to twenty years old, sponsored by the Kemet or Khamit Society, a secret society of African Americans who preach and practice the afrocentric doctrine and faith of black separatism, black nationalism, black apartheid, black racism, and black supremacy. This nationwide group was nearly successful in gaining legislation for an all black school district in Milwaukee, Wisconsin under its leader Howard Fuller through the passage of state legislation defining apartheid boundaries for an all black school district in the late 80s. The apartheid legislation had passed one of the Wisconsin legislative houses and only through the monumental lobbying efforts of a back principal, Texas Bufkin, who took three bus loads of black parents to Madison, Wisconsin, during that historic struggle in the late 80s, to lobby the Wisconsin legislature against the formation of the all black segregated school district, did the nearly successful apartheid efforts of Howard Fuller's Kemet movement fail. So powerful is the Kemet or Khamit Society, Texas Bufkin was subsequently fired by the school district for her efforts at reversing the separatist legislation. The Kemet Society today claims 150 members in the Milwaukee area and over 10,000 nation wide. The Ausar Auset Society is the local religious Kemet cult in Milwaukee. Reports of polygamy, female circumcision (FGM), incest, and child abuse, as practiced by the ancient Egyptian pharaohs and ruling class of Egyptian elite society, surround the eclectic/syncretic cult society. The afrocentric revisionist history, philosophy, education and doctrine and the self-esteem arguments of afrocentric practitioners is a way for the Kemet (Ausar Auset) movement to maintain access to public school tax resources to support their afrocentric heathen and pagan practices of acient Egypt through vouchers for religious charter and choice schools.
this is apparently a statement by Kemetic Orthodoxy, dating to 2000, but it survives only in this archive on arthurhu.com
Former Milwaukee Superintendent of Schools Howard L. Fuller, a voucher supporter, was described in a Washington Post post-election story (on the failure of vouchers at the polls) as a "professor of education at Marquette University who formed an organization called the Black Alliance for Educational Options (BAEO)." Following his funding trail reveals that the Black Alliance is in fact a project of the Institute for the Transformation of Learning, based at Marquette University and founded by Fuller in 1995. Between 1996 and 1998 it received at least $360,000 from the Bradley Foundation alone. Marquette University itself is one of the top Bradley Foundation recipients, getting more than $6.6 million from the foundation since 1986. [4]
outside the document cited, I find no evidence linking Fuller and Ausar Auset. Also, hardly any evidence of a "Kemet Society", outside a single crackpot site kemetway.com. This appears to be a conspiracy theory then? The connection with female circumcision is also tenuous. Here is a quotable article at least, Constitutional protection for bazar multiple cultural practices Education, Project Innovation, Winter 1997 by Leon W Todd Jr (Director, Board of Directors, Milwaukee Public Schools, Box 2181, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201-2181) [5]
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After five years of operation, the CSRC determined that Khamit Institute was not operating an academically or fiscally viable organization. The school will cease operations at the end of the 2003-04 school year. -- dab (𒁳) 09:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.per-ankh.org/ has been online since 2002. It is still full of lorem ipsum placeholder text. Knocking up a website and leaving it unattendend for eight years does not make you a "religion", at least not one that meets Wikipedia's inclusion threshold. -- dab (𒁳) 09:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Unless an organisation is notable enough for an article, I don't think it should be in this article. A few mentions on forums and a website aren't enough. I've deleted a few, and redlinked one where it is clear there should be an article. The section on reconstruction obviously needs work, see [6] if anyone is interested. Dougweller ( talk) 07:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Not only can it not exist, as Wicca has 2 very specific deities from the British Isles, it was an un-sourced claim, so I removed it. Stregamama ( talk) 13:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Examples of tameran practitoners and good sources of information on the subject include:
So you see, tameran wicca does exist and this wiki does need to cover it, which is why I propose the redirect on the Tameran WIcca page be removed and replaced with coverage and the redirect on "Kemetic wicca" be switched from Kemetism to Tameran wicca The Talking Toaster ( talk) 02:00, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Currently, the Church of the Eternal Source is listed as "New Age". However, from the description in the header of the New Age Article, New Age is "a Western spiritual movement that developed in the second half of the 20th century. Its central precepts have been described as 'drawing on both Eastern and Western spiritual and metaphysical traditions and infusing them with influences from self-help and motivational psychology, holistic health, parapsychology, consciousness research and quantum physics'". From looking over their website, http://www.cesidaho.org/ , I am unable to find any evidence of them being any more "New Age" than any of the other groups here. I think they should either be in a large section with Kemetic Orthodoxy (like how all the black nationalists are grouped together, the non-black nationalist ones could) or have their section renamed. Thunderstone99 ( talk) 14:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Being that the people of Kemet were what we would call black today, it seems weird that there is a section in this name.
"Black Blackism" Really odd. Ausar Auset society should just be listed without any separation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vapblack ( talk • contribs) 23:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Before I undo the edit by the anonymous IP, I wanted to ask why they reverted to a less coherent, and grammatically incorrect caption. Perhaps I'm missing something, but there didn't seem to be a reason for it. I posted a request for clarification on the user's talk page as well. If I don't see a reply, I'll rollback the edit. Quinto Simmaco ( talk) 13:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
I've started a draft to revise this article, so that I can introduce citations at my leisure. I didn't want to clutter up the mainspace with possible OR and have it be summarily challenged before I could introduce the appropriate citations to support it. Anyone is welcome to edit it, so long as you provide your reasoning for those edits on the talk page. It's located here: User:Quinto_Simmaco/Draft:Kemetism. Quinto Simmaco ( talk) 14:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
The recent revision made by 87.5.115.110 on 30 March 2017 attributes to a doctoral thesis by Harrison the following assertions:
It also removed the following content, citing OR:
I have three issues with this revision:
I propose a revert for these reasons. Wasechun tashunka ( talk) 19:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
So the current state of this article is, to put it plainly, horrendous. Not only is it a poor machine translation of the Czech article, it's full of original research, personal essay-ish phrasing, and bad sources (surely it must be considered a bad article by the Czech wiki's standards too? I'd love to know what they're saying about it over there). I've spent the past six-ish months completely refurbishing it in a draft page here, and I'd like people to give it a look and get some feedback to make sure I'm doing the right thing by, y'know, proposing completely overwriting the page. I know my version is far from perfect, but I hope you'll agree it's a huge improvement over the current state of things. vagabondsun (it/its + he/him) | talk ✨ contrib 19:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
In egyptian public, Kemetists literally means ancient Egyptian based nationalists, those who deny their arabic identity and have an ancient egyptian based nationalism are called kemetists in Egypt
I believe such elaboration about that in the article is necessary Amr.elmowaled ( talk) 01:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately no I don’t think i can reach a reliable source, it’s just something well known on Egyptian social media Amr.elmowaled ( talk) 01:19, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
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Catalyst Inspire ( talk) 18:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Kemet means land of the blacks. This refered to the native people not the soil. It is older than all modern day religions and it was not a religion when you speak of Kemetism it was a science. Just because one does not understand the knowledge left does not mean that it is based on strictly mysticism as some would believe. Many modern day theories and philosophies followed today were learned from ancient mystery schools out of Kemet. Kemetians were closely related to the neighboring Kushites and Nubians. 2600:6C5E:467F:326E:6857:80C3:2FE8:1B78 ( talk) 05:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)
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There's kind of an apologist slant in favor of the House of Netjer/Kemetic Orthodoxy; I cleaned up the biased language a little, but I don't trust myself to get rid of it entirely, as I'm pretty biased towards the House of Netjer myself. Anybody want to have a go at it?
As an aside, it'd be interesting if someone put in about the history of rivalry between HoN and Per Ankh. Switchercat 03:42, 3 June 2006 (UTC)
I think a part of this is just that a lot of the writers are most familiar with Kemetic Orthodoxy. By all means, if somebody has other things to contribute or if they want to make the language less biased, I think they should. The only problem I think could happen is it could go the other direction. Falsetto 00:59, 3 December 2006 (UTC)
The definition given of 'monolatry' in the article conflicts with the Monolatry article. I'm not sure if there should be a mention or not - I encountered this page via the random feature and know nothing about the topic :) Cheyinka 05:49, 19 June 2006 (UTC)
Since Kemetic Orthodoxy is a stub and doesn't seem to be getting any longer, and since this article seems to contain a lot of material related to Kemetic Orthodoxy without really explaining what it is and how it relates to the rest of Kemetic Recon, I thought it might be a good idea to merge the two. We did something similar with Hellenic polytheism, and it's been really helpful to have all of the different groups/traditions/factions in one place so that it's easy to see when we're making questionable generalizations based on the practices of one group or swaying towards the POV of one or another. What do people think? - AdelaMa e ( talk - contribs) 18:57, 19 November 2006 (UTC)
The New Kemet Movement is a relatively new separatist (religious) movement, fifteen to twenty years old, sponsored by the Kemet or Khamit Society, a secret society of African Americans who preach and practice the afrocentric doctrine and faith of black separatism, black nationalism, black apartheid, black racism, and black supremacy. This nationwide group was nearly successful in gaining legislation for an all black school district in Milwaukee, Wisconsin under its leader Howard Fuller through the passage of state legislation defining apartheid boundaries for an all black school district in the late 80s. The apartheid legislation had passed one of the Wisconsin legislative houses and only through the monumental lobbying efforts of a back principal, Texas Bufkin, who took three bus loads of black parents to Madison, Wisconsin, during that historic struggle in the late 80s, to lobby the Wisconsin legislature against the formation of the all black segregated school district, did the nearly successful apartheid efforts of Howard Fuller's Kemet movement fail. So powerful is the Kemet or Khamit Society, Texas Bufkin was subsequently fired by the school district for her efforts at reversing the separatist legislation. The Kemet Society today claims 150 members in the Milwaukee area and over 10,000 nation wide. The Ausar Auset Society is the local religious Kemet cult in Milwaukee. Reports of polygamy, female circumcision (FGM), incest, and child abuse, as practiced by the ancient Egyptian pharaohs and ruling class of Egyptian elite society, surround the eclectic/syncretic cult society. The afrocentric revisionist history, philosophy, education and doctrine and the self-esteem arguments of afrocentric practitioners is a way for the Kemet (Ausar Auset) movement to maintain access to public school tax resources to support their afrocentric heathen and pagan practices of acient Egypt through vouchers for religious charter and choice schools.
this is apparently a statement by Kemetic Orthodoxy, dating to 2000, but it survives only in this archive on arthurhu.com
Former Milwaukee Superintendent of Schools Howard L. Fuller, a voucher supporter, was described in a Washington Post post-election story (on the failure of vouchers at the polls) as a "professor of education at Marquette University who formed an organization called the Black Alliance for Educational Options (BAEO)." Following his funding trail reveals that the Black Alliance is in fact a project of the Institute for the Transformation of Learning, based at Marquette University and founded by Fuller in 1995. Between 1996 and 1998 it received at least $360,000 from the Bradley Foundation alone. Marquette University itself is one of the top Bradley Foundation recipients, getting more than $6.6 million from the foundation since 1986. [4]
outside the document cited, I find no evidence linking Fuller and Ausar Auset. Also, hardly any evidence of a "Kemet Society", outside a single crackpot site kemetway.com. This appears to be a conspiracy theory then? The connection with female circumcision is also tenuous. Here is a quotable article at least, Constitutional protection for bazar multiple cultural practices Education, Project Innovation, Winter 1997 by Leon W Todd Jr (Director, Board of Directors, Milwaukee Public Schools, Box 2181, Milwaukee, Wisconsin 53201-2181) [5]
Find sources: Google ( books · news · scholar · free images · WP refs) · FENS · JSTOR · TWL
After five years of operation, the CSRC determined that Khamit Institute was not operating an academically or fiscally viable organization. The school will cease operations at the end of the 2003-04 school year. -- dab (𒁳) 09:14, 15 October 2007 (UTC)
http://www.per-ankh.org/ has been online since 2002. It is still full of lorem ipsum placeholder text. Knocking up a website and leaving it unattendend for eight years does not make you a "religion", at least not one that meets Wikipedia's inclusion threshold. -- dab (𒁳) 09:59, 24 April 2010 (UTC)
Unless an organisation is notable enough for an article, I don't think it should be in this article. A few mentions on forums and a website aren't enough. I've deleted a few, and redlinked one where it is clear there should be an article. The section on reconstruction obviously needs work, see [6] if anyone is interested. Dougweller ( talk) 07:43, 22 June 2010 (UTC)
Not only can it not exist, as Wicca has 2 very specific deities from the British Isles, it was an un-sourced claim, so I removed it. Stregamama ( talk) 13:24, 7 January 2012 (UTC)
Examples of tameran practitoners and good sources of information on the subject include:
So you see, tameran wicca does exist and this wiki does need to cover it, which is why I propose the redirect on the Tameran WIcca page be removed and replaced with coverage and the redirect on "Kemetic wicca" be switched from Kemetism to Tameran wicca The Talking Toaster ( talk) 02:00, 20 February 2012 (UTC)
Currently, the Church of the Eternal Source is listed as "New Age". However, from the description in the header of the New Age Article, New Age is "a Western spiritual movement that developed in the second half of the 20th century. Its central precepts have been described as 'drawing on both Eastern and Western spiritual and metaphysical traditions and infusing them with influences from self-help and motivational psychology, holistic health, parapsychology, consciousness research and quantum physics'". From looking over their website, http://www.cesidaho.org/ , I am unable to find any evidence of them being any more "New Age" than any of the other groups here. I think they should either be in a large section with Kemetic Orthodoxy (like how all the black nationalists are grouped together, the non-black nationalist ones could) or have their section renamed. Thunderstone99 ( talk) 14:21, 15 April 2012 (UTC)
Being that the people of Kemet were what we would call black today, it seems weird that there is a section in this name.
"Black Blackism" Really odd. Ausar Auset society should just be listed without any separation. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vapblack ( talk • contribs) 23:38, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
Before I undo the edit by the anonymous IP, I wanted to ask why they reverted to a less coherent, and grammatically incorrect caption. Perhaps I'm missing something, but there didn't seem to be a reason for it. I posted a request for clarification on the user's talk page as well. If I don't see a reply, I'll rollback the edit. Quinto Simmaco ( talk) 13:19, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
I've started a draft to revise this article, so that I can introduce citations at my leisure. I didn't want to clutter up the mainspace with possible OR and have it be summarily challenged before I could introduce the appropriate citations to support it. Anyone is welcome to edit it, so long as you provide your reasoning for those edits on the talk page. It's located here: User:Quinto_Simmaco/Draft:Kemetism. Quinto Simmaco ( talk) 14:20, 16 March 2015 (UTC)
The recent revision made by 87.5.115.110 on 30 March 2017 attributes to a doctoral thesis by Harrison the following assertions:
It also removed the following content, citing OR:
I have three issues with this revision:
I propose a revert for these reasons. Wasechun tashunka ( talk) 19:35, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
So the current state of this article is, to put it plainly, horrendous. Not only is it a poor machine translation of the Czech article, it's full of original research, personal essay-ish phrasing, and bad sources (surely it must be considered a bad article by the Czech wiki's standards too? I'd love to know what they're saying about it over there). I've spent the past six-ish months completely refurbishing it in a draft page here, and I'd like people to give it a look and get some feedback to make sure I'm doing the right thing by, y'know, proposing completely overwriting the page. I know my version is far from perfect, but I hope you'll agree it's a huge improvement over the current state of things. vagabondsun (it/its + he/him) | talk ✨ contrib 19:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)
In egyptian public, Kemetists literally means ancient Egyptian based nationalists, those who deny their arabic identity and have an ancient egyptian based nationalism are called kemetists in Egypt
I believe such elaboration about that in the article is necessary Amr.elmowaled ( talk) 01:08, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
Unfortunately no I don’t think i can reach a reliable source, it’s just something well known on Egyptian social media Amr.elmowaled ( talk) 01:19, 15 December 2022 (UTC)
Article Relevance
Catalyst Inspire ( talk) 18:55, 26 July 2023 (UTC)
Kemet means land of the blacks. This refered to the native people not the soil. It is older than all modern day religions and it was not a religion when you speak of Kemetism it was a science. Just because one does not understand the knowledge left does not mean that it is based on strictly mysticism as some would believe. Many modern day theories and philosophies followed today were learned from ancient mystery schools out of Kemet. Kemetians were closely related to the neighboring Kushites and Nubians. 2600:6C5E:467F:326E:6857:80C3:2FE8:1B78 ( talk) 05:53, 26 December 2023 (UTC)