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There is nothing dubious about the assertion that Frank Maloney addressed the Swinton Circle in March 2010, as confirmation appears on the Swinton Circle website. Furthermore, as I, Alan Harvey, am currently Chairman of the Swinton Circle it stands to reason that I would be involved in the organising of this meeting! AlanDHarvey ( talk) 09:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
When referring to historical actions/comments when she was a man surely she should be referred to as he? Very confusing. VenomousConcept ( talk) 17:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Because of recent events I referred to this article. I followed the links in this section, and some of them are dead, while others link to pages that don't have any connection to Frank Maloney. What there is ingores his comments in the Independent in 2010: [ [2]], where he repudiates the claims he is racist, and while he continues to express a level of homophobia, he does state quite clearly that he was wrong about what he is cited as saying in here. A significant part of the section is making claims about UKIP, and from that seeking to add weight that he is racist. This is WP:SYNTH. I am not keen to edit this article myself, but would request that those involved in editing page give a more balanced reflection, using reliable sources, and remove what cannot verified from links which do not seem to be real. - MishMich - Talk - 12:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a move request at Talk:Frank Maloney (disambiguation)#Requested move that affects Frank Maloney which currently redirects here. Timrollpickering ( talk) 19:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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Kellie Maloney PR contact Champions (UK)Plc 188.39.128.106 ( talk) 14:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia's MOS says we respect transgender people; we don't refer to a trans woman by her male birth name except in areas we need to mention it. Georgia guy ( talk) 15:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Manual of style#Identity. Georgia guy ( talk) 15:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Current version seems OK. I agree that her birth name should not be reiterated sheet the lead. Per WP:BIRTHNAME, it's appropriate to mention it in lead sentence but no need to repeat it. I'm fine with mentioning her transition in the lead as it was a notable event for this person and the were famous prior to coming out. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 18:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
The wikipedia articles on man and male clearly define what those things are; and someone deciding to declare themselves a different sex does not change those definitions. It is possible to be compassionate to people without agreeing with unreasonable beliefs that they hold. Or am I just challenging the "emperor's new clothes" issue of our age, and that is an unacceptable thing to do? LeapUK ( talk) 09:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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Not sure if this incident should be mentioned: Amy Duncan (16 June 2016). "Kellie Maloney 'axed from First Dates as date felt awkward with her being trans'". Metro News. Retrieved 27 November 2016.-- Auric talk 18:06, 27 November 2016 (UTC)
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There is nothing dubious about the assertion that Frank Maloney addressed the Swinton Circle in March 2010, as confirmation appears on the Swinton Circle website. Furthermore, as I, Alan Harvey, am currently Chairman of the Swinton Circle it stands to reason that I would be involved in the organising of this meeting! AlanDHarvey ( talk) 09:50, 9 April 2010 (UTC)
When referring to historical actions/comments when she was a man surely she should be referred to as he? Very confusing. VenomousConcept ( talk) 17:13, 10 August 2014 (UTC)
Because of recent events I referred to this article. I followed the links in this section, and some of them are dead, while others link to pages that don't have any connection to Frank Maloney. What there is ingores his comments in the Independent in 2010: [ [2]], where he repudiates the claims he is racist, and while he continues to express a level of homophobia, he does state quite clearly that he was wrong about what he is cited as saying in here. A significant part of the section is making claims about UKIP, and from that seeking to add weight that he is racist. This is WP:SYNTH. I am not keen to edit this article myself, but would request that those involved in editing page give a more balanced reflection, using reliable sources, and remove what cannot verified from links which do not seem to be real. - MishMich - Talk - 12:48, 11 August 2014 (UTC)
There is a move request at Talk:Frank Maloney (disambiguation)#Requested move that affects Frank Maloney which currently redirects here. Timrollpickering ( talk) 19:04, 12 August 2014 (UTC)
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Kellie Maloney PR contact Champions (UK)Plc 188.39.128.106 ( talk) 14:34, 15 August 2014 (UTC)
Wikipedia's MOS says we respect transgender people; we don't refer to a trans woman by her male birth name except in areas we need to mention it. Georgia guy ( talk) 15:37, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Please read Wikipedia:Manual of style#Identity. Georgia guy ( talk) 15:50, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
Current version seems OK. I agree that her birth name should not be reiterated sheet the lead. Per WP:BIRTHNAME, it's appropriate to mention it in lead sentence but no need to repeat it. I'm fine with mentioning her transition in the lead as it was a notable event for this person and the were famous prior to coming out. EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{ re}} 18:02, 23 August 2015 (UTC)
The wikipedia articles on man and male clearly define what those things are; and someone deciding to declare themselves a different sex does not change those definitions. It is possible to be compassionate to people without agreeing with unreasonable beliefs that they hold. Or am I just challenging the "emperor's new clothes" issue of our age, and that is an unacceptable thing to do? LeapUK ( talk) 09:44, 25 September 2015 (UTC)
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