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In Feb of 2008, Ruger released Ruger_LCP very similar weapon. Is the statement In a Guns & Ammo review, Wiley Clapp said, "Ingenuity is often nothing more than a combination of existing principles applied in unique ways. Kel-Tec's new P-3AT has no single feature that is not established in modern pistol design, yet it has no competition in its niche." still to be considered valid?
I mean to say that while the statement was accurate when it was said, I'm thinking that perhaps it is no longer so.
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According to Wikipedia's own description of "Double Action" (look up that page which explains the other actions too), DAO is incorrect. Rather, the Kel-Tec P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer", in which operating the slide places the hammer in a pre-set position. The trigger THEN, and only then, operates in a double-action mode. Unlike a DAO (double-action-only), without prior operation of the slide (the pre-set action), the trigger does nothing. A true double-action semi-auto cocks and releases the hammer even when the slide has not been operated.
As long as the gun is operating in semi-automatic fashion, the slide will continue to pre-set the hammer, allowing the trigger to operate in double-action mode. But again unlike a DAO (this is a safety feature): the slide must be manually operated at least once regardless of the loaded state to pre-set the hammer the first time, or the gun will be inert. So it is not mechanically possible, as it is with a DAO, to re-try firing a round that has failed to fire; the only effective action is to eject the round (which operates the slide so that the hammer is re-set again), and you are back in normal operation.
-- Jane Q. Public ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC).
I have in fact now found two references, but unfortunately they are only from discussion groups: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=248556 , "It has been brought to my attention that the hammer rests in a partially cocked position on the Kel-Tec PF-9, P-32, and P3AT; and possibly a few other pistols as well" and http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393738 , "Why is the correct action never listed?"
Notice also that the P-32 and the P3-AT are described as being the same. -- Jane Q. Public ( talk)
My local shop range has this weapon in a dark pink or 'raspberry' color as the sales woman described it, they also have a 2 tone that I would describe as an grass green reciver and an OD green slide. I didnt see these mentioned on the Kel Tec website, but I have held them in my own hand so I know they exist. 12.129.136.5 ( talk) 22:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC) THE FUDD
Particularly because it was the first to fill its "niche" as noted above, it's date of birth is important.
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In Feb of 2008, Ruger released Ruger_LCP very similar weapon. Is the statement In a Guns & Ammo review, Wiley Clapp said, "Ingenuity is often nothing more than a combination of existing principles applied in unique ways. Kel-Tec's new P-3AT has no single feature that is not established in modern pistol design, yet it has no competition in its niche." still to be considered valid?
I mean to say that while the statement was accurate when it was said, I'm thinking that perhaps it is no longer so.
--
Thistledowne (
talk) 16:27, 18 June 2008 (UTC)
According to Wikipedia's own description of "Double Action" (look up that page which explains the other actions too), DAO is incorrect. Rather, the Kel-Tec P-3AT employs a "Pre-Set Hammer", in which operating the slide places the hammer in a pre-set position. The trigger THEN, and only then, operates in a double-action mode. Unlike a DAO (double-action-only), without prior operation of the slide (the pre-set action), the trigger does nothing. A true double-action semi-auto cocks and releases the hammer even when the slide has not been operated.
As long as the gun is operating in semi-automatic fashion, the slide will continue to pre-set the hammer, allowing the trigger to operate in double-action mode. But again unlike a DAO (this is a safety feature): the slide must be manually operated at least once regardless of the loaded state to pre-set the hammer the first time, or the gun will be inert. So it is not mechanically possible, as it is with a DAO, to re-try firing a round that has failed to fire; the only effective action is to eject the round (which operates the slide so that the hammer is re-set again), and you are back in normal operation.
-- Jane Q. Public ( talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:53, 2 November 2008 (UTC).
I have in fact now found two references, but unfortunately they are only from discussion groups: http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=248556 , "It has been brought to my attention that the hammer rests in a partially cocked position on the Kel-Tec PF-9, P-32, and P3AT; and possibly a few other pistols as well" and http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=393738 , "Why is the correct action never listed?"
Notice also that the P-32 and the P3-AT are described as being the same. -- Jane Q. Public ( talk)
My local shop range has this weapon in a dark pink or 'raspberry' color as the sales woman described it, they also have a 2 tone that I would describe as an grass green reciver and an OD green slide. I didnt see these mentioned on the Kel Tec website, but I have held them in my own hand so I know they exist. 12.129.136.5 ( talk) 22:54, 6 August 2010 (UTC) THE FUDD
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Per Kel-Tec, there is no "-" in the model number: https://www.keltecweapons.com/firearms/pistols/p3at/ 98.118.62.140 ( talk) 20:31, 2 September 2021 (UTC)