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Please provide some advice and instructions on what I can do to improve this article so that it is written as an article suitable for the Wikipedia encyclopedia
RailbirdJAM 00:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I have added references and cleaned up the tone.
If there is any advice or suggestions, I would very much appreciate it.
It is my hope to contribute articles, references, and bios of MANY American Pool Players that are missing on Wikipedia. The Filipino and European pool players are better documented than the American pool players, and it is my desire to contribute to the American pool players category.
Thanks in advance to all! RailbirdJAM
Thanks for your helpful input. I do not know what I can do to reference the $14,000 to make it more plausible for you, other than create a short 2- or 3-minute video of Keith McCready telling the story himself. I did reference it with Diliberto stating that he was in California during this time period when the incident happened. I have access to McCready and can produce this video, if a video in his words would help to ensure the credibility of this incident. Would this suffice? Please advise.
I agree that sometimes, like fishing stories, tales on the road can be "far-fetched" over time, but this incident is exactly the way I have written it.
Like most hustling stories, they are not documented in the public domain, for obvious reasons. There are well-known Keith McCready hustling stories that I cannot write about, though many pool folk who were there and saw it in person know that they are true. Like when McCready -- in front of 100-plus witnesses in Las Vegas -- won $380,000, defeating a high-stakes gambler named Rosey from Detroit. The next month, he was broke. There is no way to reference this, but it happened. There are living pool players today who saw the match and can confirm it, but as far as something in writing from a newspaper, magazine, or a book (reference/source), this is impossible.
I would really like to start a Ronnie Allen article. He is most definitely part of the fabric that makes up American pool. Finding references and sources is going to be difficult, but it will be a challenge that I would like to tackle. I have Ronnie Allen's phone number and will try to get some material to work with. He has a great story, his childhood growing up in a carnival.
Also, I am currently trying to get in contact with Jimmy Mataya, so that I can obtain some more data, pictures, et cetera. Hopefully, Jimmy may have some materials that will be helpful in documenting and referencing his bio.
There are many American players from yesteryear who I think may be worthy of an article, like St. Louis Louie Roberts (great story there), Weenie Beanie (the late Dick Staton), the late Cornbread Red, just to name a few. These guys are American legendary pool players.
BTW, thank you for letting me know what the Wikipedia punctuation standards are. I am trying to learn, and you have been very helpful to me. ` RailbirdJAM 07:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I am going to create a video of Keith McCready stating that this, in fact, did happen. I do not think that I can get any records from Trident School in Anaheim, but I will attempt to do so. I respectfully disagree that this is an anecdote. Keith McCready himself, IMHO, is a "reliable source," and as such, the words coming out of his mouth in a short video will be an addition to the article.
There is a Weenie Beenie Memorial Tournament occurring next month in Norfolk. I am going to try to attend in hopes that I can get some data. He is a legend in American pool and worthy of an article, IMHO.
RailbirdJAM 08:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the great suggestion. I was hoping that a video of Keith relaying the incident from his own mouth could take care of the dubious distinction. "According to McCready" may sound a little like hearsay.
I do want to contribute to the legends of cuesports. There is not a lot of references/sources in the American pool media about its legendary players, but anybody who played pool in America in the '60s through '80s knows about Ronnie Allen and Weenie Beenie, for example. Weenie Beenie is a really great story, too, his origin of having those hot dog stands throughout Northern Virginia and, of course, the gambling mecca on the East Coast in the '60s and '70s was Weenie Beenie's pool room, Jack and Jill's. Wikipedia is a great vehicle to preserve these pool legacies. It is quite exciting and involves some intensive work, but I am learning and hope to make worthy contributions as I get more experienced with the Wikipedia guidelines.
RailbirdJAM 15:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
As a Wikipedia newbie, I do not know how to contribute to WP:DYK. A suggestion, "Did you know Keith McCready was suspended from school for 'having too much money'?" RailbirdJAM 13:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I read the WP:DYK page, and it is my understanding that I can self-nominate the Keith McCready article, but I do not understand how to, even though I have read through the WP:DYK page several times. Would you be so kind as to advise how I can self-nominate? I do not want to do something that would be against the Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks in advance. RailbirdJAM 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that Mike Selinker removed the AMERICAN SPORTSPEOPLE category on the bottom of the article. I inserted it back.
I do not understand why a professional cuesports player would not be included in this category.
Pocket billiards is a sport, and as such, I believe Keith McCready's name belongs there.
I tried to go onto Mike Selinker's TALK PAGE to ask why he thought it prudent to remove this category from this article, but every time I tried to post a question on Mike Selinker's TALK PAGE, in an effort to ask him his reasoning, it would automatically log me out of Wikipedia. There was no way I could ask him this question.
As such, I am posting my inquiry on this talk about of the article. Please advise. RailbirdJAM 19:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello: don't know right way to format this or if this is the right place, but:
Was just wondering how and WHY the "inspired the name of one of the top amateur eight-ball teams in the US, Like a Nightmare." is in this otherwise EXCELLENT article?
The naming lore of an obscure amateur team has nothing to do with Keith or this bio amd doesn't belong here. Can someone look into this?
Otherwise a VERY well written and, dare I say, entertaining short bio! Wiki needs more of these! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.153.248 ( talk) 04:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
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I selected five references for spot checks: 2, 5, 11, 16, 23.
However, it is [sic] was his high stakes gambling that earned him the lion’s share of his reputation as one of the most feared 9-ball players.. I assume Capelle is a subject matter expert.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammi Brie ( talk • contribs) 04:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I did a minor-editing pass on it (fixed a chronological-order problem, a grammar error, some punctuation pecadilloes, etc.). I think it looks pretty good (maybe biased opinion, as I worked on this article years ago when it was in a rough state :-). In answer to a question above, yes Capelle is a subject-matter expert; probably the best-selling pool instructional author after Robert Byrne (author). To answer the question about the blog source [28]: R.A. Dyer is also a subject-matter expert with multiple relevant non-self-published books under his belt [7]; but regardless, the material is based on the book Pool Wars by Jay Helfert, which someone could buy and read and cite instead. But Dyer is actually good enough. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
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Please provide some advice and instructions on what I can do to improve this article so that it is written as an article suitable for the Wikipedia encyclopedia
RailbirdJAM 00:01, 13 May 2007 (UTC)
I have added references and cleaned up the tone.
If there is any advice or suggestions, I would very much appreciate it.
It is my hope to contribute articles, references, and bios of MANY American Pool Players that are missing on Wikipedia. The Filipino and European pool players are better documented than the American pool players, and it is my desire to contribute to the American pool players category.
Thanks in advance to all! RailbirdJAM
Thanks for your helpful input. I do not know what I can do to reference the $14,000 to make it more plausible for you, other than create a short 2- or 3-minute video of Keith McCready telling the story himself. I did reference it with Diliberto stating that he was in California during this time period when the incident happened. I have access to McCready and can produce this video, if a video in his words would help to ensure the credibility of this incident. Would this suffice? Please advise.
I agree that sometimes, like fishing stories, tales on the road can be "far-fetched" over time, but this incident is exactly the way I have written it.
Like most hustling stories, they are not documented in the public domain, for obvious reasons. There are well-known Keith McCready hustling stories that I cannot write about, though many pool folk who were there and saw it in person know that they are true. Like when McCready -- in front of 100-plus witnesses in Las Vegas -- won $380,000, defeating a high-stakes gambler named Rosey from Detroit. The next month, he was broke. There is no way to reference this, but it happened. There are living pool players today who saw the match and can confirm it, but as far as something in writing from a newspaper, magazine, or a book (reference/source), this is impossible.
I would really like to start a Ronnie Allen article. He is most definitely part of the fabric that makes up American pool. Finding references and sources is going to be difficult, but it will be a challenge that I would like to tackle. I have Ronnie Allen's phone number and will try to get some material to work with. He has a great story, his childhood growing up in a carnival.
Also, I am currently trying to get in contact with Jimmy Mataya, so that I can obtain some more data, pictures, et cetera. Hopefully, Jimmy may have some materials that will be helpful in documenting and referencing his bio.
There are many American players from yesteryear who I think may be worthy of an article, like St. Louis Louie Roberts (great story there), Weenie Beanie (the late Dick Staton), the late Cornbread Red, just to name a few. These guys are American legendary pool players.
BTW, thank you for letting me know what the Wikipedia punctuation standards are. I am trying to learn, and you have been very helpful to me. ` RailbirdJAM 07:41, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
I am going to create a video of Keith McCready stating that this, in fact, did happen. I do not think that I can get any records from Trident School in Anaheim, but I will attempt to do so. I respectfully disagree that this is an anecdote. Keith McCready himself, IMHO, is a "reliable source," and as such, the words coming out of his mouth in a short video will be an addition to the article.
There is a Weenie Beenie Memorial Tournament occurring next month in Norfolk. I am going to try to attend in hopes that I can get some data. He is a legend in American pool and worthy of an article, IMHO.
RailbirdJAM 08:14, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
Thanks for the great suggestion. I was hoping that a video of Keith relaying the incident from his own mouth could take care of the dubious distinction. "According to McCready" may sound a little like hearsay.
I do want to contribute to the legends of cuesports. There is not a lot of references/sources in the American pool media about its legendary players, but anybody who played pool in America in the '60s through '80s knows about Ronnie Allen and Weenie Beenie, for example. Weenie Beenie is a really great story, too, his origin of having those hot dog stands throughout Northern Virginia and, of course, the gambling mecca on the East Coast in the '60s and '70s was Weenie Beenie's pool room, Jack and Jill's. Wikipedia is a great vehicle to preserve these pool legacies. It is quite exciting and involves some intensive work, but I am learning and hope to make worthy contributions as I get more experienced with the Wikipedia guidelines.
RailbirdJAM 15:11, 16 May 2007 (UTC)
As a Wikipedia newbie, I do not know how to contribute to WP:DYK. A suggestion, "Did you know Keith McCready was suspended from school for 'having too much money'?" RailbirdJAM 13:35, 17 May 2007 (UTC)
I read the WP:DYK page, and it is my understanding that I can self-nominate the Keith McCready article, but I do not understand how to, even though I have read through the WP:DYK page several times. Would you be so kind as to advise how I can self-nominate? I do not want to do something that would be against the Wikipedia guidelines. Thanks in advance. RailbirdJAM 17:44, 18 May 2007 (UTC)
I noticed that Mike Selinker removed the AMERICAN SPORTSPEOPLE category on the bottom of the article. I inserted it back.
I do not understand why a professional cuesports player would not be included in this category.
Pocket billiards is a sport, and as such, I believe Keith McCready's name belongs there.
I tried to go onto Mike Selinker's TALK PAGE to ask why he thought it prudent to remove this category from this article, but every time I tried to post a question on Mike Selinker's TALK PAGE, in an effort to ask him his reasoning, it would automatically log me out of Wikipedia. There was no way I could ask him this question.
As such, I am posting my inquiry on this talk about of the article. Please advise. RailbirdJAM 19:56, 11 October 2007 (UTC)
Hello: don't know right way to format this or if this is the right place, but:
Was just wondering how and WHY the "inspired the name of one of the top amateur eight-ball teams in the US, Like a Nightmare." is in this otherwise EXCELLENT article?
The naming lore of an obscure amateur team has nothing to do with Keith or this bio amd doesn't belong here. Can someone look into this?
Otherwise a VERY well written and, dare I say, entertaining short bio! Wiki needs more of these! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.165.153.248 ( talk) 04:28, 9 June 2009 (UTC)
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Give this a fresh set of eyes. It needs it. 7-day hold to
Lee Vilenski.
Sammi Brie (she/her •
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04:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I selected five references for spot checks: 2, 5, 11, 16, 23.
However, it is [sic] was his high stakes gambling that earned him the lion’s share of his reputation as one of the most feared 9-ball players.. I assume Capelle is a subject matter expert.
— Preceding unsigned comment added by Sammi Brie ( talk • contribs) 04:59, 16 October 2022 (UTC)
I did a minor-editing pass on it (fixed a chronological-order problem, a grammar error, some punctuation pecadilloes, etc.). I think it looks pretty good (maybe biased opinion, as I worked on this article years ago when it was in a rough state :-). In answer to a question above, yes Capelle is a subject-matter expert; probably the best-selling pool instructional author after Robert Byrne (author). To answer the question about the blog source [28]: R.A. Dyer is also a subject-matter expert with multiple relevant non-self-published books under his belt [7]; but regardless, the material is based on the book Pool Wars by Jay Helfert, which someone could buy and read and cite instead. But Dyer is actually good enough. — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼 09:51, 16 October 2022 (UTC)