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Keith admitted to being the second spitter years after Seinfeld show ended
Can someone more wiki-proficient than I change that career stats box to a horizontal format, rather than the current white-void-producing vertical one? -- 66.185.85.70 15:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC) me
I can't find any supporting evidence that hernandez actually appeared in the film "The Fugitive". — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.84.105.161 (
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02:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
This article states: "During his childhood, Hernandez's brother bought a book on Civil War history, which ignited Hernandez's passion for the subject. His interest in the Civil War landed Hernandez guest spots on KMOX radio when he was with the Cardinals, was featured in the New York Times when he was with the Mets, and appeared in episodes of the television series Seinfeld." Not sure why having an interest in Civil War history would lead to a guest spot on Seinfeld. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:300:7520:5422:A1B8:29D3:BC93 ( talk) 14:30, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
I think that this should be mentioned in the article. When Keith Hernandez was traded to the New York Mets after the 1983 season, Hernandez I guess felt betrayed by the Cardinals. A vengeful Hernandez wanted to to get the Cardinals back so badly, that he went as far as to read books about the accult and black magic.
What happens next is that when the Cardinals went to the World Series in 1985, the speedy Vince Coleman couldn't play in series because of a freak tarpoline accident. Then there was of course, umpire Don Denkinger's bad call in Game 6, Jack Clark and Darrell Porter's sloppy defense, and the Cardinals losing the game on a bloop single from bench warmer Dane Iorg.
In Game 7 (in which the Cardinals lost 11-0), the Cardinals, still fuming over the Denkinger incident the night before, pretty much throw in the towel before early on. You have pitcher John Tudor punching an electrical fan (with his throwing hand) after getting slaugtered by the Royals in the first three innings. You have the manager Whitey Herzog (for whom I think should be blamed first and foremost for the Cardinals' meltdown in Game 7) still so angry at Don Denkinger's (who's now the home plate umpire) bad call in Game 6, that ABC's cameras catches Herzog screaming at Denkinger from the dugout in Game 7. By the time that the Royals were up on the Cardinals 5-0, Herzog sends the volatile Joaquín Andújar to the mound to further his grudge against Denkinger. So naturally, Denkinger kicks Andujar (as well as Whitey Herzog) out of the game for aruging balls and strikes. After the game, Andujar throws an even greater temper tantrum than John Tudor by smashing a toliet in the Cardinals' clubhouse with a baseball bat.
To add insult to injury, the year after the St. Louis Cardinals lost the World Series, Keith Hernandez and the New York Mets win the World Series. In 1987, the Cardinals came back to the World Series only to lose it in seven games (just like in 1985) to a vastly inferior Minnesota Twins team, who were nothing without the help of the Metrodome.
In 1996, the Cardinals blew a 3-1 deficit against the Atlanta Braves in the National League Championship Series. That same year, Joe Torre, for whom the Cardinals fired as their manager the year before, won the World Series as the manager of the New York Yankees. The Cardinals came back to the NLCS two years later, only to lose to the New York Mets (the team that Keith Hernandez was traded to from the Cardinals).
In 2004, the Cardinals went to the World Series for the first time since 1987 only to get swept by the Boston Red Sox. The 2004 St. Louis Cardinals thus, carry the distinction of being aiding in the breaking of the Curse of the Bambino. Perhaps the most embarrassing moment for the Cardinals in that World Series was Jeff Suppan's poor base running at third base in Game 3. Jeff Suppan's number, 37, was the same number that Keith Hernandez wore while with the Cardinals. User:TMC1982
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"Hernandez is known to frequent Elaine's, New York City's famed Upper East Side night spot. It is not known if this has anything to do with his appearance on Seinfeld, as the restaurant has nothing to do with the Elaine Benes character." You've got to be kidding me. What does one thing have to do with the other? I'm deleting the second reference. -- Chancemichaels 17:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels
I honestly don't understand what this section substantively adds to the article. The gist of it seems to be "because Hernandez lied about coke, he was called smarmy by this sportswriter." True enough, but so what? Hernandez' use of cocaine, his denials, his admission, his involvement in the 1985 trial and his subsequent kicking of the habit are all very important to a fully fleshed-out bio of him. But this section just seems like petty tabloid stuff, not a dispassionate, NPOV account in a trusted encyclopedia. The whole affair was well-documented. It shouldn't be too tough to put together a solid couple of paragraphs that present the facts with complete context. Veronique 00:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a terrible picture placed on this site and it does not appear in the history or the editing of this article.
After several disagreements with Cardinal management, Hernandez was traded to the Mets on June 15, 1983. The Cardinals received pitchers Neil Allen and Rick Ownbey in return. While this trade was possibly the best in Mets history (or, at least, before the acquisition of future Hall of Fame catcher Mike Piazza), it was a terrible one for the Cardinals, who did not win another World Series until 2006.
And that paragraph is so biased from a Mets fan's perspective that it isn't even funny. It's well-documented why the Cardinals made the trade, and they never regretted it, and weren't even really hurt by it, because they soon acquired Jack Clark to replace Hernandez, and Clark helped them win the pennant in 1985 and 1987--one more pennant than the Mets ever won with Keith Hernandez. In Whitey Herzog's autobiography, he said the team couldn't get anymore for Hernandez than they did, because everyone knew about his drug problems.
The fact is true, though, that the trade was perhaps the best trade in Mets history. Not only was Hernandez a great pickup on the field, but he would go on to become the team's first captain in its history. I understand why St. Louis made the deal, but it was clearly a win for New York there. Pascack 19:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this be? I know he played more years in St. Louis, but he has been broadly associated with the Mets for the past 25 years. He was the Mets' first team captain after he left St. Louis on very bad circumstances and has since been referred to as a Met on Seinfeld and is now the team's main announcer. He remains a Mets icon but has few ties to the Cardinals anymore. Any thoughts? Gmh224 19:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, he's a Met icon. Mghabmw 22:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The same thing can be said about Reggie Jackson, who is affiliated with the Yankees. Some people think the contrary, especially after leaving Oakland in bad terms. Mghabmw 22:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Reggie did not leave Oakland on bad terms. His bad terms stemmed from being fired as hitting coach in 1991 but he has since mended fences with the organization. Jjj222 23:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Googie, this is one where you are actually the vandal. I stopped screwing with debatable team colors some time ago (I even left your Gary Carter change to the Expos). However, this one is not debatable. Hernandez left St. Louis on awful terms and has more or less been affiliated with the Mets organization for the past 25 years. Hernandez was the key figure who led the Mets out of last place and to the 1986 title, and was named the first team captain in franchise history. He was immortalized as a Met on Seinfeld, he is a Mets Hall of Famer, and he currently works for the team as an announcer. Give me a break here, man. This is a no-brainer. Jjj222 17:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
If you are willing to call a truce, then I'd like to start over as well. Jjj222 20:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
In addition to his contributions on the field, his appearance on Seinfeld highlighted the fact that he was a Met and his current sportcasting further supports the use of orange and blue. Dissento ( talk) 19:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Just saw this article's introduction and compared it to what it once looked like. Nice to see the selfishness that's dumbing down this article. The Ink Daddy! ( talk) 11:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
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Years after Seinfeld ended its run , Keith admitted to Ron Darling that he indeed was the second spitter . 68.129.29.79 ( talk) 22:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)
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Keith admitted to being the second spitter years after Seinfeld show ended
Can someone more wiki-proficient than I change that career stats box to a horizontal format, rather than the current white-void-producing vertical one? -- 66.185.85.70 15:11, 12 January 2006 (UTC) me
I can't find any supporting evidence that hernandez actually appeared in the film "The Fugitive". — Preceding
unsigned comment added by
67.84.105.161 (
talk)
02:07, 27 August 2013 (UTC)
This article states: "During his childhood, Hernandez's brother bought a book on Civil War history, which ignited Hernandez's passion for the subject. His interest in the Civil War landed Hernandez guest spots on KMOX radio when he was with the Cardinals, was featured in the New York Times when he was with the Mets, and appeared in episodes of the television series Seinfeld." Not sure why having an interest in Civil War history would lead to a guest spot on Seinfeld. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2601:801:300:7520:5422:A1B8:29D3:BC93 ( talk) 14:30, 4 September 2023 (UTC)
I think that this should be mentioned in the article. When Keith Hernandez was traded to the New York Mets after the 1983 season, Hernandez I guess felt betrayed by the Cardinals. A vengeful Hernandez wanted to to get the Cardinals back so badly, that he went as far as to read books about the accult and black magic.
What happens next is that when the Cardinals went to the World Series in 1985, the speedy Vince Coleman couldn't play in series because of a freak tarpoline accident. Then there was of course, umpire Don Denkinger's bad call in Game 6, Jack Clark and Darrell Porter's sloppy defense, and the Cardinals losing the game on a bloop single from bench warmer Dane Iorg.
In Game 7 (in which the Cardinals lost 11-0), the Cardinals, still fuming over the Denkinger incident the night before, pretty much throw in the towel before early on. You have pitcher John Tudor punching an electrical fan (with his throwing hand) after getting slaugtered by the Royals in the first three innings. You have the manager Whitey Herzog (for whom I think should be blamed first and foremost for the Cardinals' meltdown in Game 7) still so angry at Don Denkinger's (who's now the home plate umpire) bad call in Game 6, that ABC's cameras catches Herzog screaming at Denkinger from the dugout in Game 7. By the time that the Royals were up on the Cardinals 5-0, Herzog sends the volatile Joaquín Andújar to the mound to further his grudge against Denkinger. So naturally, Denkinger kicks Andujar (as well as Whitey Herzog) out of the game for aruging balls and strikes. After the game, Andujar throws an even greater temper tantrum than John Tudor by smashing a toliet in the Cardinals' clubhouse with a baseball bat.
To add insult to injury, the year after the St. Louis Cardinals lost the World Series, Keith Hernandez and the New York Mets win the World Series. In 1987, the Cardinals came back to the World Series only to lose it in seven games (just like in 1985) to a vastly inferior Minnesota Twins team, who were nothing without the help of the Metrodome.
In 1996, the Cardinals blew a 3-1 deficit against the Atlanta Braves in the National League Championship Series. That same year, Joe Torre, for whom the Cardinals fired as their manager the year before, won the World Series as the manager of the New York Yankees. The Cardinals came back to the NLCS two years later, only to lose to the New York Mets (the team that Keith Hernandez was traded to from the Cardinals).
In 2004, the Cardinals went to the World Series for the first time since 1987 only to get swept by the Boston Red Sox. The 2004 St. Louis Cardinals thus, carry the distinction of being aiding in the breaking of the Curse of the Bambino. Perhaps the most embarrassing moment for the Cardinals in that World Series was Jeff Suppan's poor base running at third base in Game 3. Jeff Suppan's number, 37, was the same number that Keith Hernandez wore while with the Cardinals. User:TMC1982
This article was marked for deletion back in June...it will be gone very soon
"Hernandez is known to frequent Elaine's, New York City's famed Upper East Side night spot. It is not known if this has anything to do with his appearance on Seinfeld, as the restaurant has nothing to do with the Elaine Benes character." You've got to be kidding me. What does one thing have to do with the other? I'm deleting the second reference. -- Chancemichaels 17:03, 25 April 2006 (UTC)Chancemichaels
I honestly don't understand what this section substantively adds to the article. The gist of it seems to be "because Hernandez lied about coke, he was called smarmy by this sportswriter." True enough, but so what? Hernandez' use of cocaine, his denials, his admission, his involvement in the 1985 trial and his subsequent kicking of the habit are all very important to a fully fleshed-out bio of him. But this section just seems like petty tabloid stuff, not a dispassionate, NPOV account in a trusted encyclopedia. The whole affair was well-documented. It shouldn't be too tough to put together a solid couple of paragraphs that present the facts with complete context. Veronique 00:10, 26 April 2006 (UTC)
There is a terrible picture placed on this site and it does not appear in the history or the editing of this article.
After several disagreements with Cardinal management, Hernandez was traded to the Mets on June 15, 1983. The Cardinals received pitchers Neil Allen and Rick Ownbey in return. While this trade was possibly the best in Mets history (or, at least, before the acquisition of future Hall of Fame catcher Mike Piazza), it was a terrible one for the Cardinals, who did not win another World Series until 2006.
And that paragraph is so biased from a Mets fan's perspective that it isn't even funny. It's well-documented why the Cardinals made the trade, and they never regretted it, and weren't even really hurt by it, because they soon acquired Jack Clark to replace Hernandez, and Clark helped them win the pennant in 1985 and 1987--one more pennant than the Mets ever won with Keith Hernandez. In Whitey Herzog's autobiography, he said the team couldn't get anymore for Hernandez than they did, because everyone knew about his drug problems.
The fact is true, though, that the trade was perhaps the best trade in Mets history. Not only was Hernandez a great pickup on the field, but he would go on to become the team's first captain in its history. I understand why St. Louis made the deal, but it was clearly a win for New York there. Pascack 19:14, 10 July 2007 (UTC)
Should this be? I know he played more years in St. Louis, but he has been broadly associated with the Mets for the past 25 years. He was the Mets' first team captain after he left St. Louis on very bad circumstances and has since been referred to as a Met on Seinfeld and is now the team's main announcer. He remains a Mets icon but has few ties to the Cardinals anymore. Any thoughts? Gmh224 19:34, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
I agree, he's a Met icon. Mghabmw 22:35, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
The same thing can be said about Reggie Jackson, who is affiliated with the Yankees. Some people think the contrary, especially after leaving Oakland in bad terms. Mghabmw 22:40, 21 July 2007 (UTC)
Reggie did not leave Oakland on bad terms. His bad terms stemmed from being fired as hitting coach in 1991 but he has since mended fences with the organization. Jjj222 23:08, 10 September 2007 (UTC)
Googie, this is one where you are actually the vandal. I stopped screwing with debatable team colors some time ago (I even left your Gary Carter change to the Expos). However, this one is not debatable. Hernandez left St. Louis on awful terms and has more or less been affiliated with the Mets organization for the past 25 years. Hernandez was the key figure who led the Mets out of last place and to the 1986 title, and was named the first team captain in franchise history. He was immortalized as a Met on Seinfeld, he is a Mets Hall of Famer, and he currently works for the team as an announcer. Give me a break here, man. This is a no-brainer. Jjj222 17:26, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
If you are willing to call a truce, then I'd like to start over as well. Jjj222 20:02, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
In addition to his contributions on the field, his appearance on Seinfeld highlighted the fact that he was a Met and his current sportcasting further supports the use of orange and blue. Dissento ( talk) 19:01, 8 July 2008 (UTC)
Just saw this article's introduction and compared it to what it once looked like. Nice to see the selfishness that's dumbing down this article. The Ink Daddy! ( talk) 11:07, 5 March 2016 (UTC)
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Now I know who on Wikipedia is the most selfish person who thinks he owns the entire website and in the process chases away much-needed additional contributors because of his dysfunctional behavior. It's the aptly-named Yankees10! The Ink Daddy! ( talk) 19:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)
Years after Seinfeld ended its run , Keith admitted to Ron Darling that he indeed was the second spitter . 68.129.29.79 ( talk) 22:22, 18 May 2024 (UTC)