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E kepalo e Mo'i Kepa pau kau kau e ona maka po eha noe ehemolele kau kau iha hanai lela po'e kui kui hauna kea pau eha Scared Ancient Hawaiian Language translated to English: " As our Legacy live long live our Queen Keopuolani madness only starts with those whom see things only with their eyes people cannot help but to bewilder the fact that holiness can be only giving to those of bloodline as we see the stars as our heavens we cannot for get our people whom truly was love by a great Queen Keopuolani.
King Kamehameha VII, Ni'i Loa Mo'i Kapu Wai wai lohea enei pau 2014
Why are people getting so attached to these titles? Only Kaahumanu was known as "Queen"wrong! while Keopuolani was known as Kamehameha's high ranking wife, or the high chiefess. There is no record of people actually referring to Keopuolani as Queen Keopuolani or Queen Consort. 66.215.18.34 ( talk) 01:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Apologies for probably correcting previous errors to new errors :b
The "Davida Malo" reference identifies Keopuolani's parents as Kiwala'o (father) and "Kiwala'o's cousin (Keku'iapoiwa) Liliha" (referred to as "Kekuipoiwa III" here, and adds in footnote 21 that Liliha was named for her own mother Keku'iapoiwa (II), who was also the mother of Kamehameha I?
OTOH, the same datatbase I just linked to has conflicting references that Keopuolani's mother is a.) "unknown" vs. b.) implicitly confirmed as Liliha (K3) -- who is then described as "the daughter of Kalaniopu'u, not Keaoua Kalanikupuapa'ikalaninui (Keaoua) as commonly taught", and thus as full sister of her husband Kiwala'o.
The database does list Kalola Nui as the mother of Liliha K3... and also adds a reference that calls Liliha's mother "Kalola Kekuipoiwa".
I am now hopelessly confused :| screw it, I'm just going to revert my edit of the main article if someone else hasn't already. -- Wombat1138 ( talk) 02:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
WRT "her family tree to six generations has 13 different people in the 64 possible different positions"-- are you sure about this? As the first generation in the tree, she's person #1; add to that 2 parents (in positions 2-3), 3 grandparents (in positions 4-7), and 5 great-grandparents (in positions 8-15), which is as far as I can map it out on paper so far-- that's a subtotal of 11 people so far, and that still leaves out two generations (16-31 and 32-63) which certainly have more than 2 people in them. I think you were right the first time in counting 13(?) ggg-grandparents in her fifth generation of ancestors (32-63), rather than 13 cumulative ancestors from all five generations. -- Wombat1138 ( talk) 17:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
|32= 32. High Chief Kanaloaikaiwilena Kapulehu, son of High Chief Uminuikukailani and Princess Kalani-o-'Umi of Hawaii
|33= 33.
Queen Keakealani of Hawaii, daughter of High Chief Iwikauikaua and Queen
Keakealaniwahine of Hawaii
|34= 34. Ahu-a-ʻI, High Chief of Hilo, son of ʻI, High Chief of Hilo and High Chiefess Kuwalu
|35= 35. Princess Piilaniwahine of Maui, daughter of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui and High Chiefess Kaneakauhi BOTH same as 40 and 41
|36= 36. High Chief Nu'uanu, son of ʻI, High Chief of Hilo (same as 34) and Princess Akahikameenoa of Kauai
|37= 37. High Chiefess Kealomako, unknown ancestry, arghhh!!!!
|38= 38. Mahiolole, High Chief of Kohala, son of Kanaloauoo, High Chief of Kohala and High Chiefess Hoolaaikaiwi
|39= 39. High Chiefess Kanekukaailani, daughter of ʻI, High Chief of Hilo (same as 34) and Princess Akahikameenoa of Kauai BOTH sames as 36
|40= 40. Lonohonuakini of Maui, son of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui and High Chiefess Kaneakauhi BOTH same as 35 and 41
|41= 41. High Chiefess Kalanikauanakinilani, daughter of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui and High Chiefess Kaneakauhi BOTH same as 40 and 35
|42= 42. High Chief Umi-a-Liloa II, son of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui (same as 35, 40, 41) and High Chiefess Makakuwahine
|43= 43. High Chiefess Kuihewamakawalu, daughter of High Chief Kauloaiwi and High Chiefess Kuihewakauaupena
|46= 46. High Chief Kaneikaiwilani, son of High Chief Iwikauikaua (repeat of 33) and High Chiefess Kauakahikuaanaauakane of Oahu
It seems that trying to attach English titles to the various ali'i is what causes these confusions. Unless you fully understand the rank, which by the way is also mentioned in David Malo's book as well as Samuel Kamakau's, you can understand who was higher ranking, ali'i 'aimoku, etc. To put "Supreme" or "High" next to "Chief" doesn't translate accurately. I say just name them by name if it causes confusion. Even if you look at some of the titles used with European (of which these particular titles originated from) royals, they werenʻt consistent with the titles, although it was probably due to multiple people editing the wiki pages. But I say remove these "prince/princess" titles, especially since those titles were never used until the time of Kamehameha III. Mamoahina ( talk) 01:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Another question: about a month ago an unregisered user took out all the kahakō over the "u" in her name. So it now does not match the article title. No sources nor edit comments were provided. I would revert, since Pukui (the source I use for spelling) put both kahakō on the word ōpū. Most sources I see use both, Keōpūolani. W Nowicki ( talk) 21:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently. it seems like Emma Alexandria Kalanikauikaalaneo Kilioulaninuiamamao Kanoa De Fries (1855–1923) is said to be a lineal descendant of Keopuolani and was called a princess in the territorial days. She was a noted Hawaiian cultural figure. This should probably be taken with a grain of salt though, although she seems to be an interesting person independent of her royal claims.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:20, 7 June 2014 (UTC)
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E kepalo e Mo'i Kepa pau kau kau e ona maka po eha noe ehemolele kau kau iha hanai lela po'e kui kui hauna kea pau eha Scared Ancient Hawaiian Language translated to English: " As our Legacy live long live our Queen Keopuolani madness only starts with those whom see things only with their eyes people cannot help but to bewilder the fact that holiness can be only giving to those of bloodline as we see the stars as our heavens we cannot for get our people whom truly was love by a great Queen Keopuolani.
King Kamehameha VII, Ni'i Loa Mo'i Kapu Wai wai lohea enei pau 2014
Why are people getting so attached to these titles? Only Kaahumanu was known as "Queen"wrong! while Keopuolani was known as Kamehameha's high ranking wife, or the high chiefess. There is no record of people actually referring to Keopuolani as Queen Keopuolani or Queen Consort. 66.215.18.34 ( talk) 01:15, 31 December 2007 (UTC)
Apologies for probably correcting previous errors to new errors :b
The "Davida Malo" reference identifies Keopuolani's parents as Kiwala'o (father) and "Kiwala'o's cousin (Keku'iapoiwa) Liliha" (referred to as "Kekuipoiwa III" here, and adds in footnote 21 that Liliha was named for her own mother Keku'iapoiwa (II), who was also the mother of Kamehameha I?
OTOH, the same datatbase I just linked to has conflicting references that Keopuolani's mother is a.) "unknown" vs. b.) implicitly confirmed as Liliha (K3) -- who is then described as "the daughter of Kalaniopu'u, not Keaoua Kalanikupuapa'ikalaninui (Keaoua) as commonly taught", and thus as full sister of her husband Kiwala'o.
The database does list Kalola Nui as the mother of Liliha K3... and also adds a reference that calls Liliha's mother "Kalola Kekuipoiwa".
I am now hopelessly confused :| screw it, I'm just going to revert my edit of the main article if someone else hasn't already. -- Wombat1138 ( talk) 02:13, 8 May 2010 (UTC)
WRT "her family tree to six generations has 13 different people in the 64 possible different positions"-- are you sure about this? As the first generation in the tree, she's person #1; add to that 2 parents (in positions 2-3), 3 grandparents (in positions 4-7), and 5 great-grandparents (in positions 8-15), which is as far as I can map it out on paper so far-- that's a subtotal of 11 people so far, and that still leaves out two generations (16-31 and 32-63) which certainly have more than 2 people in them. I think you were right the first time in counting 13(?) ggg-grandparents in her fifth generation of ancestors (32-63), rather than 13 cumulative ancestors from all five generations. -- Wombat1138 ( talk) 17:27, 11 May 2010 (UTC)
|32= 32. High Chief Kanaloaikaiwilena Kapulehu, son of High Chief Uminuikukailani and Princess Kalani-o-'Umi of Hawaii
|33= 33.
Queen Keakealani of Hawaii, daughter of High Chief Iwikauikaua and Queen
Keakealaniwahine of Hawaii
|34= 34. Ahu-a-ʻI, High Chief of Hilo, son of ʻI, High Chief of Hilo and High Chiefess Kuwalu
|35= 35. Princess Piilaniwahine of Maui, daughter of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui and High Chiefess Kaneakauhi BOTH same as 40 and 41
|36= 36. High Chief Nu'uanu, son of ʻI, High Chief of Hilo (same as 34) and Princess Akahikameenoa of Kauai
|37= 37. High Chiefess Kealomako, unknown ancestry, arghhh!!!!
|38= 38. Mahiolole, High Chief of Kohala, son of Kanaloauoo, High Chief of Kohala and High Chiefess Hoolaaikaiwi
|39= 39. High Chiefess Kanekukaailani, daughter of ʻI, High Chief of Hilo (same as 34) and Princess Akahikameenoa of Kauai BOTH sames as 36
|40= 40. Lonohonuakini of Maui, son of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui and High Chiefess Kaneakauhi BOTH same as 35 and 41
|41= 41. High Chiefess Kalanikauanakinilani, daughter of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui and High Chiefess Kaneakauhi BOTH same as 40 and 35
|42= 42. High Chief Umi-a-Liloa II, son of King Kalanikaumakaowakea of Maui (same as 35, 40, 41) and High Chiefess Makakuwahine
|43= 43. High Chiefess Kuihewamakawalu, daughter of High Chief Kauloaiwi and High Chiefess Kuihewakauaupena
|46= 46. High Chief Kaneikaiwilani, son of High Chief Iwikauikaua (repeat of 33) and High Chiefess Kauakahikuaanaauakane of Oahu
It seems that trying to attach English titles to the various ali'i is what causes these confusions. Unless you fully understand the rank, which by the way is also mentioned in David Malo's book as well as Samuel Kamakau's, you can understand who was higher ranking, ali'i 'aimoku, etc. To put "Supreme" or "High" next to "Chief" doesn't translate accurately. I say just name them by name if it causes confusion. Even if you look at some of the titles used with European (of which these particular titles originated from) royals, they werenʻt consistent with the titles, although it was probably due to multiple people editing the wiki pages. But I say remove these "prince/princess" titles, especially since those titles were never used until the time of Kamehameha III. Mamoahina ( talk) 01:50, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Another question: about a month ago an unregisered user took out all the kahakō over the "u" in her name. So it now does not match the article title. No sources nor edit comments were provided. I would revert, since Pukui (the source I use for spelling) put both kahakō on the word ōpū. Most sources I see use both, Keōpūolani. W Nowicki ( talk) 21:26, 21 December 2010 (UTC)
Apparently. it seems like Emma Alexandria Kalanikauikaalaneo Kilioulaninuiamamao Kanoa De Fries (1855–1923) is said to be a lineal descendant of Keopuolani and was called a princess in the territorial days. She was a noted Hawaiian cultural figure. This should probably be taken with a grain of salt though, although she seems to be an interesting person independent of her royal claims.-- KAVEBEAR ( talk) 05:20, 7 June 2014 (UTC)