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Update: I've downloaded a shop manual which states the oil capacity is 1.9 L. Having recently changed the oil on my 250 and using only 2qts - I decided to update the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjbiren ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Oil capacity listed here is 3.2 L, however many sites list 1.9L. Indeed ninja250.org oil change procedure page says:
"Fill w/ 1.5 qts of your favorite oil. Wait a minute, then add a very small amount of oil at a time until oil is halfway up the level-check window (aka "sight glass"). Replace the filler cap."
1.5 quarts is 1.41 Liters or so. This being my first writing of any kind on wikipedia, I figure I should ask first - should we change the capacity in the table?
Mjbiren ( talk) 02:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I had a 2009 ninja 250 I clearly hit 114mph plenty of times, I kept up with a 650cc bike on highway everyday. After I flipped my bike I topped out at 96mph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.64.173.74 ( talk) 04:56, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Top speed is higher than 100 mph... i had one... and could get to 110 easily... but not 120...
Comment: Sorry, but the little Ninja will not do 110 miles per hour stock. The speedometers on the 250s are wildly optimistic at high speed. The top speed with with an average weight rider is more like 95 to 100 MPH...just read any reviews with track speed testing. The stopwatch does not lie... LS650 ( talk) 13:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm a beginner but have been riding dirt bike for 10 years I know totally different but i like the light weight of the 250r but am concerned of the top speed does a 2002 really do 80 mph cruising no bullcrap?
Yes, the ninja 250 will do 80 pretty much all day long at 9k rpms (redlines at 14k). Some folks swap out the front sprocket to 15 tooth to get the rpms down...which may be good if you're doing lots of highway miles.
- Redline on the '06 and later 250R is 13000. At an indicated 60 mph, I run 7500 RPM. At an indicated 82 mph, I run 10,000 RPM. Comparing my actual speed to the indicated speed, I'm showing around a 4% high reading on the speedometer. It'll run at these speeds all day with no problem, though the sound from the engine at highway speeds can be a bit irritating; invest in earplugs.
Just for comparison purposes, the Ninja 250R (pre-'08) has similar crankshaft and rear tire HP output to a Honda Shadow VLX (a different torque curve mind you), but with about 150 lbs less weight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.112.217 ( talk) 18:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
"Capable of running the 1/4 mile in 14.6 seconds at 88mph," The reference to this, as well as the EX-250F 0-60 figures are referenced to a March 2007 online magazine article. However, the figures were first included on this page in a 2004 edit. Where is the original source for this data? It appears that the online magazine (BestBeginnerMotorcycles.com) quoted the figures from this Wikipedia entry, and was later added as a reference. 2008 figures as tested by both Motorcycle Consumer News and Motorcyclist Magazine are far removed from these supposed performance statistics.
Furthermore, these figures would put the Ninja EX250F in a similar performance bracket to the much more powerful Suzuki GS500F: 0-60: 6.05 sec 1/4 mile: 14.67@88.30 (Motorcycle Consumer News, July 2004, online version unavailable) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.112.217 ( talk) 02:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer_Error#Error
Based on the regulations the top speed should be closer to 100-105 mph.. 95.5 mph would put them quite far outside regulations surely. 86.43.170.48 ( talk) 11:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
You mention several competitors, but is there a reason the Aprilia RS125 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aprilia_RS125) was not mentioned in the beginner bike range? Or were you just going for the 250cc range?
Would be nice if the picture was a profile shot instead of the racing picture up there now. The current picture doesn't really show the bike. -- Stephane Charette 07:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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This bike is being updated and changed for the 2008 model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.213.209.2 ( talk) 00:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC) Updates for 2008 will be known after the Paris Motorcycle show over the next week. Right now there are way too many unknowns about the bike to just toss up something. Patience.... Caferace 02:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I would say the picture of the 2008 Ninja at the Paris Show does a much better job of representing the motorcycle than does the picture of two racing bikes seen head-on; however, a picture of the 250 sans-showgirl might be better. Would it be possible to upload a Kawasaki promo image ( http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Photos/2008_Ninja250R_Right.jpg) or is there no way to justify its inclusion in Wikipedia? I believe this would be an ideal image for the article. AniRaptor2001 ( talk) 17:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi people, I own one of the 2008 models and have a bunch of pictures:
http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-niiice.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-front01.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-front02.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-side.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-dash-close.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-dash-far.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-rear-close.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-rear-far.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-seat.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-tank-far.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-exhaust-close.jpg
I own the copyright to all these images, and Wikipedia can use them on this page (I just don't know how to add them!). Anyway, if anyone needs any clarification please direct them to wikipedia[at]yeahnah.org (Ryan Allen) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.44.228 ( talk) 22:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
This article has a picture of a Kawasaki ZXR-250 on the bottom. But that is a 4 cyl. 250cc bike. The Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-2R already has its own page. So the image may not be appropriate for this article Bluesleeper ( talk) 20:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Can we please somehow change the picture to just show what the bike looks like without the bimbo? I know if this were an advertisement you'd want to include female cleavage along with the bike you are selling. But this is an encyclopedia and the purpose is not to sell bikes for Kawasaki. I'm not going to change it myself because somebody will just change it back. A little help? Dbratland ( talk) 07:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Just to add to this info, as a rider i believe the performance stats further below may not be entirely correct as my bike (standard) has exceeded the top speed listed by at least 20km/hr—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.20.36.80 ( talk • contribs)
I don't know if this is too trivial to include, but I think it's interesting that the price has generally decreased in real dollars over the years. Even the after $500 price bump in 2008, it was cheaper in inflated dollars than ten and twenty years earlier. I have no idea why Kawasaki kept bouncing the MSRP up and down over the years, but they did.
Year | Model | Original MSRP | Inflated to 2008 dollars |
1987 | EX250-F1 | 2449 [1] | 4641 |
1988 | EX250-F2 | 2599 [2] | 4731 |
1990 | EX250-F4 | 3399 [3] | 5602 |
1992 | EX250-F6 | 2999 [3] | 4601 |
1995 | EX250-F9 | 3499 [4] | 4238 |
1999 | EX250-F13 | 2999 [5] | 3876 |
2006 | EX250-F6F | 2999 [6] | 3203 |
2008 | EX250-J | 3499 [7] | 3499 |
You can just leave the 2008 out of Template:Inflation, and it will inflate the price to whatever the most recent date is, depending on how often the Wiki gods update the database. The problem I have with that is that the reader can't really see what the most recent date is they are using. By experimenting, I discovered that at the moment, it is current only up to 2008 (fair enough) so I explicitly put that date in there. If someone wants to update it next year, they can do so, but either way the reader knows what they are looking it. -- Dbratland ( talk) 21:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The 250 Ninja is both a sharp sporting tool and easy to live with despite its (seemingly) high price for a 250.
The F2's gorgeous, flowing bodywork covers this motorcycle with a thrift-store price tag -- $2599 [...] While the F2 is well appointed and rich in detail, its price tag qualifies as pure midnight magic. The difference between last year's EX250 and the F2 looks like the gap between Republican cloth and royal silk-- all for $150 more.
After a one-year absence, the Ninja 250R returns to Kawasaki's lineup. The best news is that the price has been slashed from 1990's $3399 to just $2999
...the continuity of its design helps Kawasaki price it at $3499, the lowest U.S. tag for a new sportbike.
..but year after year, Kawasaki's Ninja 250 is still an incredible bargain. Even in '99 just $2999 buys you a full-access pass into the wonderful world of motorcycling -- warranty, new bike smell and all.
As mentioned before, the Ninja 250's MSRP of $2,999 makes it a thrifty option. A statement not confined to our four test bikes either, as the Ninja 250 is one of the most affordable production streetbikes available in the States. As one of the few small-displacement sportbikes in the U.S. newbie market, the low-budget sticker price is a serious economic incentive to potential buyers, no doubt one of the reasons why the Ninja 250 remains among the top-10 bestselling sportbikes in America.
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The specifications claim the old GPX250R (EX-250F) had fuel injection on Euro/Thai models. I'm under the impression that it is only the new Ninja 250R/EX-250J has fuel injection on the Euro/Thai models. Anyone care to provide a citation? Booksacool1 ( talk) 00:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
EX250-E1, E2 [...] Carburetion system: Carburetors, Keihin CVK32x2 [Footnotes A: Australian, Cal: California, C: Canadian not applied to fuel system]
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help)There are several errors with the stats of the 250F. I have attempted to correct the fuel economy to include "reported" MPG which is 55-75 mpg according to several reliable secondary sources (some of which were already being used by the article). However, every time I do, the edit nazis vandalize the correction and change it back to only 48 MPG. How do I report these libelous vandals?
Here are my sources:
From http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/kawasaki-ninja-250-review (Note this source has already been accepted by editors as being credible for other parts of the article) quote: "Specs: ... Fuel Efficiency 55-75 MPG"
From http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/MotorcycleFuelEconomyGuide/Kawasaki.htm Quote: "2005 Kawasaki Ninja EX250R ... 65/75 [mpg]"
From http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_kind_of_gas_mileage_can_I_expect%3F Quote: "Most riders report between 50 and 70 miles per gallon"
While the numbers do not match exactly, these numbers are presented and stated as "reported" values. Using reported values is not only correct, but using the 48 mpg value is blatantly false. The article is stating the ALL EX250F bikes will get 48 mpg regardless of driving conditions.
In addition to these online magazines and biker clubs, I also ride one and get about 65 mpg myself. I didn't use myself as a reference, but I seriously doubt that any of the people changing it to 48 mpg actually ride one or they would know that number is a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 01:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
First, nobody really cares if it gets 100 mpg or 1000 mpg. Really -- nobody cares one way or the other. I used to have a Ninja 250 and I certainly managed 80+ mpg from time to time, but so what?
All that matters is citing sources. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. If it meets those criteria, it's good. If not, leave it out.
I just deleted the Best Beginner Motorcycles citation: it's anonymous, which makes it very difficult to know if the author is a recognized authority. The web site itself is not particularly professional, and the Ninja 250 review contradicts itself, saying "about 50 miles per gallon" in one place and then "55-75 MPG" right below that. Totalmotorcyle.com I do not trust. They don't even test motorcycles, they just re-publish info and they don't even say where the get that info. Faq.ninja250.org is just a forum: they publish anonymous original research and discussion from non-experts. It might as well be an open Wiki.
I added one citation from Motorcycle USA saying 55 mpg for the 2006 model. Motorcycle USA is a professional journalistic operation, and the name of the author, Bart Madson, is signed to the article.
Again, take a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability -- it is one of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia. It says right at the top "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." This is not about what the "true" mpg is. It is about what can be verified in published sources that are recognized authorities. -- Dbratland ( talk) 02:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
In terms of gas mileage, no one can say that you will get EXACTLY a certain number as does the article. Even EPA estimates are always listed as "CITY/HWY". The only fair way to report this figure is in a range encompassing the standard deviation.
And yes, I stand by my claim that making false derogatory comments about the ninja 250 are libelous regardless of how well they are sourced. 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 11:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
The MotorcycleUSA article uses the words "...55 mpg and above, depending on the kind of riding we were doing." This statement, although more ambiguous, does not disagree with the ninja250.org FAQ. Because of this, the MotorcyvcleUSA reference edit should be changed to "At least 55 mpg." 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 11:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
It might be good to review the article Fuel economy-maximizing behaviors. Any vehicle -- any vehicle -- can get extraordinary mileage if you drive it a certain way. This is why official testing prescribes specific maneuvers and speeds, and why reputable publications test vehicles in "real world" conditions: a mix of different speeds, stopping, normal acceleration, and so on. I do not claim that the EX250 mileage is 80+ mpg. I only mentioned that for brief periods, under special circumstances, I hit 80 or so mpg. If I'd really tried I could have done 100 mpg. Long term average, putting 26,000 miles on my Ninja 250? A solid 50 mpg.
When anonymous users report what they think their mileage was, they usually report the farthest they ever managed to go on one tank, rather than follow rigorous testing procedures that let you compare two vehicles fairly. There is really no way to be sure how they tested-- no verifiability.
This is all a roundabout way of coming back to the policies at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. Open forums, sites that report user performance claims, opinions -- all of these things have their place. People are smart enough to find these sites for themselves, and Google leads you right there. Wikipedia does not block their web sites or delete content from there. Wikipedia just plays a different role than sites less strict polices. -- Dbratland ( talk) 15:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I am not making legal threats and I don't think I am in a position to do so even if I wanted to. But its still very poor form to write that a product has significantly worse performance than is readily observed whether you call it "libel" or not.
In my case, I am a real world rider. I don't ride on a controlled track at 5mph in order to get 100mpg. I ride on real streets and in real traffic. The last several fill ups have been 68, 62, 65, and this morning, 69 mpg. Because of varying conditions, there is no way to get exactly a certain number every time. My experiences are not outside the "reported" standard deviation for this bike.
Because the EX250F is not the current model, it is hard to find perfect sources. In fact, there is NO source on Wikipedia that doesn't have *something* wrong with it according to WP guidelines. For example, if Thomas Edison were around today and made a change to the Light Bulb article, he would immediately have his edits reverted because he would be a first source and unacceptable.
So basically, there must be some way around these sourcing rules to make the sources I specified acceptable. Such as wording the edit to say "50-70 mpg user reported" or something like that.
The ninja250.org faq should be allowed. I'm sure the editorial board there ARE fans, but its hard to find someone who has had any experience with the Ninja 250 who isn't a fan. While I admit that their low budget website doesn't look like much, that isn't justification to say that they aren't a reliable source.
I will continue to search for other sources, such as from articles in printed magazines, but such a search tends to be tedious at best. Even then, if you pick at it hard enough, no source is acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 20:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
The point being that Edison himself would not be allowed to use himself as a reference here.
Ok, I found another possible. Is this one acceptable?
"Petrol pinchers: Squeezing all you can from dead dinosaurs." Cycle World Vol 45 Issue 2 (Feb 2006): p44(10 pgs), Allan Girdler. 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 21:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I put it in. I have my stopwatch going to see how long it stays there. 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
The existing motorsports section which was removed by both Tedder ( talk · contribs) and me was badly written and mostly dealt with minor non-notable racing events. I can't see any reason to keep it but would be interested in the opinions of others - especially if there are ways the section could be rescued. -- Biker Biker ( talk) 01:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't support bringing this back as it was, but with some effort it could definitely be brought up to snuff, with regard to both notability and verifiability. -- Dbratland ( talk) 02:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
This is mostly a note to self, but here goes this. -- uKER ( talk) 06:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
There is photos on the 5th generation bike that Wikipedia can use here. I am sorry I am new so I dont know to edit Wikipedia properly. Firmanazis ( talk) 15:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Re: Kawasaki Ninja 300. This happens every year: for months there is confusion about which bikes will be imported to which markets around the globe. Every time a model leaves a market, car and bike articles get changed to say the model has been "discontinued". Often the only source cited is a local market website that fails to list a model for the coming year. Half the time the model turns up after a while. Most of the time, the manufacturer hasn't made up their mind yet.
Changes in global distribution need to be stated more explicitly: cite a source which actually says the model is leaving X market and is staying in Y market. If your source doesn't spell that out, then you're only guessing and so leave it alone until you know. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 16:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Please add and cite quote from Cycle World [26] "Prior to the debut of the 2011 Honda CBR250R, Kawasaki enjoyed uncontested ownership of the lightweight sportbike category in the US." This has been asserted before but we have lacked good attribution to a reliable source. It's still an opinion but that's OK as long as we cite. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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Update: I've downloaded a shop manual which states the oil capacity is 1.9 L. Having recently changed the oil on my 250 and using only 2qts - I decided to update the table. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Mjbiren ( talk • contribs) 12:41, 5 February 2009 (UTC)
Oil capacity listed here is 3.2 L, however many sites list 1.9L. Indeed ninja250.org oil change procedure page says:
"Fill w/ 1.5 qts of your favorite oil. Wait a minute, then add a very small amount of oil at a time until oil is halfway up the level-check window (aka "sight glass"). Replace the filler cap."
1.5 quarts is 1.41 Liters or so. This being my first writing of any kind on wikipedia, I figure I should ask first - should we change the capacity in the table?
Mjbiren ( talk) 02:26, 1 February 2009 (UTC)
I had a 2009 ninja 250 I clearly hit 114mph plenty of times, I kept up with a 650cc bike on highway everyday. After I flipped my bike I topped out at 96mph. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.64.173.74 ( talk) 04:56, 19 July 2014 (UTC)
Top speed is higher than 100 mph... i had one... and could get to 110 easily... but not 120...
Comment: Sorry, but the little Ninja will not do 110 miles per hour stock. The speedometers on the 250s are wildly optimistic at high speed. The top speed with with an average weight rider is more like 95 to 100 MPH...just read any reviews with track speed testing. The stopwatch does not lie... LS650 ( talk) 13:42, 25 June 2008 (UTC)
I'm a beginner but have been riding dirt bike for 10 years I know totally different but i like the light weight of the 250r but am concerned of the top speed does a 2002 really do 80 mph cruising no bullcrap?
Yes, the ninja 250 will do 80 pretty much all day long at 9k rpms (redlines at 14k). Some folks swap out the front sprocket to 15 tooth to get the rpms down...which may be good if you're doing lots of highway miles.
- Redline on the '06 and later 250R is 13000. At an indicated 60 mph, I run 7500 RPM. At an indicated 82 mph, I run 10,000 RPM. Comparing my actual speed to the indicated speed, I'm showing around a 4% high reading on the speedometer. It'll run at these speeds all day with no problem, though the sound from the engine at highway speeds can be a bit irritating; invest in earplugs.
Just for comparison purposes, the Ninja 250R (pre-'08) has similar crankshaft and rear tire HP output to a Honda Shadow VLX (a different torque curve mind you), but with about 150 lbs less weight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.112.217 ( talk) 18:37, 7 September 2008 (UTC)
"Capable of running the 1/4 mile in 14.6 seconds at 88mph," The reference to this, as well as the EX-250F 0-60 figures are referenced to a March 2007 online magazine article. However, the figures were first included on this page in a 2004 edit. Where is the original source for this data? It appears that the online magazine (BestBeginnerMotorcycles.com) quoted the figures from this Wikipedia entry, and was later added as a reference. 2008 figures as tested by both Motorcycle Consumer News and Motorcyclist Magazine are far removed from these supposed performance statistics.
Furthermore, these figures would put the Ninja EX250F in a similar performance bracket to the much more powerful Suzuki GS500F: 0-60: 6.05 sec 1/4 mile: 14.67@88.30 (Motorcycle Consumer News, July 2004, online version unavailable) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 66.171.112.217 ( talk) 02:46, 8 February 2009 (UTC)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speedometer_Error#Error
Based on the regulations the top speed should be closer to 100-105 mph.. 95.5 mph would put them quite far outside regulations surely. 86.43.170.48 ( talk) 11:45, 11 June 2012 (UTC)
You mention several competitors, but is there a reason the Aprilia RS125 ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aprilia_RS125) was not mentioned in the beginner bike range? Or were you just going for the 250cc range?
Would be nice if the picture was a profile shot instead of the racing picture up there now. The current picture doesn't really show the bike. -- Stephane Charette 07:12, 7 May 2006 (UTC)
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This bike is being updated and changed for the 2008 model. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 207.213.209.2 ( talk) 00:05, 14 September 2007 (UTC) Updates for 2008 will be known after the Paris Motorcycle show over the next week. Right now there are way too many unknowns about the bike to just toss up something. Patience.... Caferace 02:03, 27 September 2007 (UTC)
I would say the picture of the 2008 Ninja at the Paris Show does a much better job of representing the motorcycle than does the picture of two racing bikes seen head-on; however, a picture of the 250 sans-showgirl might be better. Would it be possible to upload a Kawasaki promo image ( http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/Photos/2008_Ninja250R_Right.jpg) or is there no way to justify its inclusion in Wikipedia? I believe this would be an ideal image for the article. AniRaptor2001 ( talk) 17:57, 21 January 2008 (UTC)
Hi people, I own one of the 2008 models and have a bunch of pictures:
http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-niiice.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-front01.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-front02.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-side.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-dash-close.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-dash-far.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-rear-close.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-rear-far.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-seat.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-tank-far.jpg http://yeahnah.org/i/bike/2008-ninja-250r-exhaust-close.jpg
I own the copyright to all these images, and Wikipedia can use them on this page (I just don't know how to add them!). Anyway, if anyone needs any clarification please direct them to wikipedia[at]yeahnah.org (Ryan Allen) —Preceding unsigned comment added by 58.108.44.228 ( talk) 22:41, 8 April 2008 (UTC)
This article has a picture of a Kawasaki ZXR-250 on the bottom. But that is a 4 cyl. 250cc bike. The Kawasaki_Ninja_ZX-2R already has its own page. So the image may not be appropriate for this article Bluesleeper ( talk) 20:33, 25 May 2008 (UTC)
Can we please somehow change the picture to just show what the bike looks like without the bimbo? I know if this were an advertisement you'd want to include female cleavage along with the bike you are selling. But this is an encyclopedia and the purpose is not to sell bikes for Kawasaki. I'm not going to change it myself because somebody will just change it back. A little help? Dbratland ( talk) 07:00, 28 December 2008 (UTC)
Just to add to this info, as a rider i believe the performance stats further below may not be entirely correct as my bike (standard) has exceeded the top speed listed by at least 20km/hr—Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.20.36.80 ( talk • contribs)
I don't know if this is too trivial to include, but I think it's interesting that the price has generally decreased in real dollars over the years. Even the after $500 price bump in 2008, it was cheaper in inflated dollars than ten and twenty years earlier. I have no idea why Kawasaki kept bouncing the MSRP up and down over the years, but they did.
Year | Model | Original MSRP | Inflated to 2008 dollars |
1987 | EX250-F1 | 2449 [1] | 4641 |
1988 | EX250-F2 | 2599 [2] | 4731 |
1990 | EX250-F4 | 3399 [3] | 5602 |
1992 | EX250-F6 | 2999 [3] | 4601 |
1995 | EX250-F9 | 3499 [4] | 4238 |
1999 | EX250-F13 | 2999 [5] | 3876 |
2006 | EX250-F6F | 2999 [6] | 3203 |
2008 | EX250-J | 3499 [7] | 3499 |
You can just leave the 2008 out of Template:Inflation, and it will inflate the price to whatever the most recent date is, depending on how often the Wiki gods update the database. The problem I have with that is that the reader can't really see what the most recent date is they are using. By experimenting, I discovered that at the moment, it is current only up to 2008 (fair enough) so I explicitly put that date in there. If someone wants to update it next year, they can do so, but either way the reader knows what they are looking it. -- Dbratland ( talk) 21:36, 6 May 2009 (UTC)
The 250 Ninja is both a sharp sporting tool and easy to live with despite its (seemingly) high price for a 250.
The F2's gorgeous, flowing bodywork covers this motorcycle with a thrift-store price tag -- $2599 [...] While the F2 is well appointed and rich in detail, its price tag qualifies as pure midnight magic. The difference between last year's EX250 and the F2 looks like the gap between Republican cloth and royal silk-- all for $150 more.
After a one-year absence, the Ninja 250R returns to Kawasaki's lineup. The best news is that the price has been slashed from 1990's $3399 to just $2999
...the continuity of its design helps Kawasaki price it at $3499, the lowest U.S. tag for a new sportbike.
..but year after year, Kawasaki's Ninja 250 is still an incredible bargain. Even in '99 just $2999 buys you a full-access pass into the wonderful world of motorcycling -- warranty, new bike smell and all.
As mentioned before, the Ninja 250's MSRP of $2,999 makes it a thrifty option. A statement not confined to our four test bikes either, as the Ninja 250 is one of the most affordable production streetbikes available in the States. As one of the few small-displacement sportbikes in the U.S. newbie market, the low-budget sticker price is a serious economic incentive to potential buyers, no doubt one of the reasons why the Ninja 250 remains among the top-10 bestselling sportbikes in America.
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The specifications claim the old GPX250R (EX-250F) had fuel injection on Euro/Thai models. I'm under the impression that it is only the new Ninja 250R/EX-250J has fuel injection on the Euro/Thai models. Anyone care to provide a citation? Booksacool1 ( talk) 00:20, 30 July 2009 (UTC)
EX250-E1, E2 [...] Carburetion system: Carburetors, Keihin CVK32x2 [Footnotes A: Australian, Cal: California, C: Canadian not applied to fuel system]
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help)There are several errors with the stats of the 250F. I have attempted to correct the fuel economy to include "reported" MPG which is 55-75 mpg according to several reliable secondary sources (some of which were already being used by the article). However, every time I do, the edit nazis vandalize the correction and change it back to only 48 MPG. How do I report these libelous vandals?
Here are my sources:
From http://www.bestbeginnermotorcycles.com/kawasaki-ninja-250-review (Note this source has already been accepted by editors as being credible for other parts of the article) quote: "Specs: ... Fuel Efficiency 55-75 MPG"
From http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/MotorcycleFuelEconomyGuide/Kawasaki.htm Quote: "2005 Kawasaki Ninja EX250R ... 65/75 [mpg]"
From http://faq.ninja250.org/wiki/What_kind_of_gas_mileage_can_I_expect%3F Quote: "Most riders report between 50 and 70 miles per gallon"
While the numbers do not match exactly, these numbers are presented and stated as "reported" values. Using reported values is not only correct, but using the 48 mpg value is blatantly false. The article is stating the ALL EX250F bikes will get 48 mpg regardless of driving conditions.
In addition to these online magazines and biker clubs, I also ride one and get about 65 mpg myself. I didn't use myself as a reference, but I seriously doubt that any of the people changing it to 48 mpg actually ride one or they would know that number is a lie. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 01:51, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
First, nobody really cares if it gets 100 mpg or 1000 mpg. Really -- nobody cares one way or the other. I used to have a Ninja 250 and I certainly managed 80+ mpg from time to time, but so what?
All that matters is citing sources. Please take a look at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. If it meets those criteria, it's good. If not, leave it out.
I just deleted the Best Beginner Motorcycles citation: it's anonymous, which makes it very difficult to know if the author is a recognized authority. The web site itself is not particularly professional, and the Ninja 250 review contradicts itself, saying "about 50 miles per gallon" in one place and then "55-75 MPG" right below that. Totalmotorcyle.com I do not trust. They don't even test motorcycles, they just re-publish info and they don't even say where the get that info. Faq.ninja250.org is just a forum: they publish anonymous original research and discussion from non-experts. It might as well be an open Wiki.
I added one citation from Motorcycle USA saying 55 mpg for the 2006 model. Motorcycle USA is a professional journalistic operation, and the name of the author, Bart Madson, is signed to the article.
Again, take a look at Wikipedia:Verifiability -- it is one of the 5 pillars of Wikipedia. It says right at the top "The threshold for inclusion in Wikipedia is verifiability, not truth." This is not about what the "true" mpg is. It is about what can be verified in published sources that are recognized authorities. -- Dbratland ( talk) 02:37, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
In terms of gas mileage, no one can say that you will get EXACTLY a certain number as does the article. Even EPA estimates are always listed as "CITY/HWY". The only fair way to report this figure is in a range encompassing the standard deviation.
And yes, I stand by my claim that making false derogatory comments about the ninja 250 are libelous regardless of how well they are sourced. 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 11:00, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
The MotorcycleUSA article uses the words "...55 mpg and above, depending on the kind of riding we were doing." This statement, although more ambiguous, does not disagree with the ninja250.org FAQ. Because of this, the MotorcyvcleUSA reference edit should be changed to "At least 55 mpg." 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 11:35, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
It might be good to review the article Fuel economy-maximizing behaviors. Any vehicle -- any vehicle -- can get extraordinary mileage if you drive it a certain way. This is why official testing prescribes specific maneuvers and speeds, and why reputable publications test vehicles in "real world" conditions: a mix of different speeds, stopping, normal acceleration, and so on. I do not claim that the EX250 mileage is 80+ mpg. I only mentioned that for brief periods, under special circumstances, I hit 80 or so mpg. If I'd really tried I could have done 100 mpg. Long term average, putting 26,000 miles on my Ninja 250? A solid 50 mpg.
When anonymous users report what they think their mileage was, they usually report the farthest they ever managed to go on one tank, rather than follow rigorous testing procedures that let you compare two vehicles fairly. There is really no way to be sure how they tested-- no verifiability.
This is all a roundabout way of coming back to the policies at Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources and Wikipedia:Verifiability. Open forums, sites that report user performance claims, opinions -- all of these things have their place. People are smart enough to find these sites for themselves, and Google leads you right there. Wikipedia does not block their web sites or delete content from there. Wikipedia just plays a different role than sites less strict polices. -- Dbratland ( talk) 15:08, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
I am not making legal threats and I don't think I am in a position to do so even if I wanted to. But its still very poor form to write that a product has significantly worse performance than is readily observed whether you call it "libel" or not.
In my case, I am a real world rider. I don't ride on a controlled track at 5mph in order to get 100mpg. I ride on real streets and in real traffic. The last several fill ups have been 68, 62, 65, and this morning, 69 mpg. Because of varying conditions, there is no way to get exactly a certain number every time. My experiences are not outside the "reported" standard deviation for this bike.
Because the EX250F is not the current model, it is hard to find perfect sources. In fact, there is NO source on Wikipedia that doesn't have *something* wrong with it according to WP guidelines. For example, if Thomas Edison were around today and made a change to the Light Bulb article, he would immediately have his edits reverted because he would be a first source and unacceptable.
So basically, there must be some way around these sourcing rules to make the sources I specified acceptable. Such as wording the edit to say "50-70 mpg user reported" or something like that.
The ninja250.org faq should be allowed. I'm sure the editorial board there ARE fans, but its hard to find someone who has had any experience with the Ninja 250 who isn't a fan. While I admit that their low budget website doesn't look like much, that isn't justification to say that they aren't a reliable source.
I will continue to search for other sources, such as from articles in printed magazines, but such a search tends to be tedious at best. Even then, if you pick at it hard enough, no source is acceptable. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 20:40, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
The point being that Edison himself would not be allowed to use himself as a reference here.
Ok, I found another possible. Is this one acceptable?
"Petrol pinchers: Squeezing all you can from dead dinosaurs." Cycle World Vol 45 Issue 2 (Feb 2006): p44(10 pgs), Allan Girdler. 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 21:55, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
OK, I put it in. I have my stopwatch going to see how long it stays there. 65.12.192.254 ( talk) 22:54, 5 November 2010 (UTC)
The existing motorsports section which was removed by both Tedder ( talk · contribs) and me was badly written and mostly dealt with minor non-notable racing events. I can't see any reason to keep it but would be interested in the opinions of others - especially if there are ways the section could be rescued. -- Biker Biker ( talk) 01:16, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
I don't support bringing this back as it was, but with some effort it could definitely be brought up to snuff, with regard to both notability and verifiability. -- Dbratland ( talk) 02:28, 17 January 2011 (UTC)
This is mostly a note to self, but here goes this. -- uKER ( talk) 06:10, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
There is photos on the 5th generation bike that Wikipedia can use here. I am sorry I am new so I dont know to edit Wikipedia properly. Firmanazis ( talk) 15:15, 3 August 2012 (UTC)
Re: Kawasaki Ninja 300. This happens every year: for months there is confusion about which bikes will be imported to which markets around the globe. Every time a model leaves a market, car and bike articles get changed to say the model has been "discontinued". Often the only source cited is a local market website that fails to list a model for the coming year. Half the time the model turns up after a while. Most of the time, the manufacturer hasn't made up their mind yet.
Changes in global distribution need to be stated more explicitly: cite a source which actually says the model is leaving X market and is staying in Y market. If your source doesn't spell that out, then you're only guessing and so leave it alone until you know. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 16:49, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Please add and cite quote from Cycle World [26] "Prior to the debut of the 2011 Honda CBR250R, Kawasaki enjoyed uncontested ownership of the lightweight sportbike category in the US." This has been asserted before but we have lacked good attribution to a reliable source. It's still an opinion but that's OK as long as we cite. -- Dennis Bratland ( talk) 18:35, 21 May 2015 (UTC)
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