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the large number of incoming links here are significant as to what is the primary topic of " Kavango". View stats, incoming links and google states were not done before this disambiguation page was made; that Kavango Region probably outranks Kavango language is a given, as in other similar cases; though the Kavango people are the primary usage of Kavango as the context of the mass of incoming links no doubt demonstrate, as is so often the case; imposing an intermediary disambiguation page upon the reader when a simple hatnote would do is a pattern repeated across hundreds or similar titles..... this page may suit a certain particular editor's preference/agenda about "forced [mandatory) disambiguation" but it is an extra, completely unneeded, step for readers, and not called for by TITLE and PRIMARYTOPIC and more. How many people upon hearing "Kavango" are going to want to look up the language, rather than the people or the region? Not that the reader or policy is the concern of the person who has made all these dab pages, and vociferously defends them against change, whether by speedy-in-application-of-standing-policy or by RM. I tire of the game, it will go on long after I die i.e. that Wikipedians with their own agendas will ignore both policy and the real world. The use of a redirect on this page to create it in the first place was typically misleading and seen before; non-legitimate dabs on other pages include words in foreign languages and things that actually have different spellings and pronunciations......and to my knowledge, in this case or the Bantu issue, not once as WP:Africa been notified, and the expertise available there as to what is used in African English, as opposed to a North American amateur linguist's insistent preferences, not consulted - in the same way that view stats and googles and incoming links were not analyzed to determine primary topic before the creation of these dab pages; but when TITLE and PRIMARYTOPIC are consistently ignored, why expect anything else to be paid attention to? Skookum1 ( talk) 05:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
An analysis of the incoming links may show contexts re the regions of the rivers, but the standalone link in most cases is, as elsewhere, most likely to do with the people whom the regions and the language group are named for. On that note, people looking up the standalone name Kavango did so 464 times this month so far, and 1477 times in the last 90 days. The former name of the Kavango Region, Okavango, likewise got more views than the language article did, at 200 times this month and 984 times in the last 90 days. Skookum1 ( talk) 06:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
The typically snide commentary from Kwami notwithstanding, determination of the PRIMARYTOPIC not being something he likes to address per his claim that languages are equally primary topics to people, I agree with the point that the Kavango Region/Okavango Region, being defunct, is not a valid PRIMARYTOPIC; and if you read that guideline carefully, and WP:NCDAB also, two-word already-disambiguated titles are not main dabs for the standalone term, and "Kavango" as a root has one meaning...whether the people's name derives from that of the river (the Okavango, not the Kavango as was first put here, among other redirects) or vice versa is pertinent to deciding that. And as noted by Pgallert, there is no language called "Kavango" despite ongoing re-instatements of "Kavango languages" in place of its target; so really it shouldn't be here at all except as a "See also". Muddling of terms by the method being applied here this way is typical of the games being played to prevent standalone titles being for what they mean; the name of a people. Determining PRIMARYTOPIC is about more than view stats, of course, I haven't had time to run google searches and study incoming links as to the context of those links. "Ask 'Skookum' what the primary topic is" entails having me do all the work that he doesn't want to do, for fear of having to admit he's wrong about languages being "equally primary topics" to the peoples they are named for. (he always gets my name wrong, to the point where he hostile-edited the Skookum article thinking it was my userpage).
NB A large series of TWODABS pages created from redirects-to-primary topic have been placed with {{ only-two-dabs}} templates, per TWODABS, were removed by Kwami since I placed them, claiming in his edit comment "per TWODABS", even though it was TWODABS which mandated placing them. In this case, Kavango, he came up with the river and more to "force" the disambiguation page; even though the river is the Okavango. Not the first time valid templates have been removed by Kwami, and not the first time he's claimed a guideline mandates the opposite of what it does. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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the large number of incoming links here are significant as to what is the primary topic of " Kavango". View stats, incoming links and google states were not done before this disambiguation page was made; that Kavango Region probably outranks Kavango language is a given, as in other similar cases; though the Kavango people are the primary usage of Kavango as the context of the mass of incoming links no doubt demonstrate, as is so often the case; imposing an intermediary disambiguation page upon the reader when a simple hatnote would do is a pattern repeated across hundreds or similar titles..... this page may suit a certain particular editor's preference/agenda about "forced [mandatory) disambiguation" but it is an extra, completely unneeded, step for readers, and not called for by TITLE and PRIMARYTOPIC and more. How many people upon hearing "Kavango" are going to want to look up the language, rather than the people or the region? Not that the reader or policy is the concern of the person who has made all these dab pages, and vociferously defends them against change, whether by speedy-in-application-of-standing-policy or by RM. I tire of the game, it will go on long after I die i.e. that Wikipedians with their own agendas will ignore both policy and the real world. The use of a redirect on this page to create it in the first place was typically misleading and seen before; non-legitimate dabs on other pages include words in foreign languages and things that actually have different spellings and pronunciations......and to my knowledge, in this case or the Bantu issue, not once as WP:Africa been notified, and the expertise available there as to what is used in African English, as opposed to a North American amateur linguist's insistent preferences, not consulted - in the same way that view stats and googles and incoming links were not analyzed to determine primary topic before the creation of these dab pages; but when TITLE and PRIMARYTOPIC are consistently ignored, why expect anything else to be paid attention to? Skookum1 ( talk) 05:48, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
An analysis of the incoming links may show contexts re the regions of the rivers, but the standalone link in most cases is, as elsewhere, most likely to do with the people whom the regions and the language group are named for. On that note, people looking up the standalone name Kavango did so 464 times this month so far, and 1477 times in the last 90 days. The former name of the Kavango Region, Okavango, likewise got more views than the language article did, at 200 times this month and 984 times in the last 90 days. Skookum1 ( talk) 06:12, 26 May 2014 (UTC)
The typically snide commentary from Kwami notwithstanding, determination of the PRIMARYTOPIC not being something he likes to address per his claim that languages are equally primary topics to people, I agree with the point that the Kavango Region/Okavango Region, being defunct, is not a valid PRIMARYTOPIC; and if you read that guideline carefully, and WP:NCDAB also, two-word already-disambiguated titles are not main dabs for the standalone term, and "Kavango" as a root has one meaning...whether the people's name derives from that of the river (the Okavango, not the Kavango as was first put here, among other redirects) or vice versa is pertinent to deciding that. And as noted by Pgallert, there is no language called "Kavango" despite ongoing re-instatements of "Kavango languages" in place of its target; so really it shouldn't be here at all except as a "See also". Muddling of terms by the method being applied here this way is typical of the games being played to prevent standalone titles being for what they mean; the name of a people. Determining PRIMARYTOPIC is about more than view stats, of course, I haven't had time to run google searches and study incoming links as to the context of those links. "Ask 'Skookum' what the primary topic is" entails having me do all the work that he doesn't want to do, for fear of having to admit he's wrong about languages being "equally primary topics" to the peoples they are named for. (he always gets my name wrong, to the point where he hostile-edited the Skookum article thinking it was my userpage).
NB A large series of TWODABS pages created from redirects-to-primary topic have been placed with {{ only-two-dabs}} templates, per TWODABS, were removed by Kwami since I placed them, claiming in his edit comment "per TWODABS", even though it was TWODABS which mandated placing them. In this case, Kavango, he came up with the river and more to "force" the disambiguation page; even though the river is the Okavango. Not the first time valid templates have been removed by Kwami, and not the first time he's claimed a guideline mandates the opposite of what it does. Skookum1 ( talk) 01:08, 27 May 2014 (UTC)
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