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A fact from Kathy Karpan appeared on Wikipedia's
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The result was: promoted by
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5x expanded by Jon698 ( talk). Self-nominated at 15:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC).
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Overall: Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Reviewer: Edge3 ( talk · contribs) 21:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi! I'm happy to review the article. My feedback will be posted shortly. Edge3 ( talk) 21:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
I have an extra comment. It might be helpful to add extra content about her early life and also her legal career post-politics. I found this source that is quite detailed: https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/kathy-karpan-life-law-and-politics Edge3 ( talk) 23:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
My first reaction after reading the article is I think it is lacking with respect to a couple of items re 3a broad coverage. In particular, while there is a description of her two campaigns for the secretary of state position, there is nothing said at all about what she did in that position for the eight years she held it. What actions did she take, what achievements did she have, what disputes did she get embroiled in, etc. Similarly, she was director of the Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement for almost three years. What happened during her tenure there? That's an inherently controversial area that involves competing interests of mining companies, laborers, environmentalists, westerners versus federal bureaucrats, etc etc. Surely something went on during her time in that position. The article has a lot of coverage of whom she endorsed for what, but far more important is what she did when she herself held office. Wasted Time R ( talk) 13:11, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Edge3: The article is definitely getting there, but I think the sectioning now needs some attention. The "Early life" section is now too long compared to the others and takes her to age 44, which is not exactly 'early'. I would break it after she gets her undergraduate degree in 1964. The new section could be called "Early career" or something like that. Next, having a section called "Political career" that just includes her statewide campaigns and elected office held doesn't make sense to me, because was heavily involved in politics both before that and after that. You could simply make "Secretary of State" and "Gubernatorial and senatorial campaigns" top-level sections and dispense with "Political career". Next, her time as Director of the Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement should be its own section, not folded into "Later life", since it's a major position with its own spot in the infobox. I think her time as Principal Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Lands and Minerals Management can be included in that new section as well, since it was still in the Department of the Interior. Then after that, you can begin the "Later life" section.
My other immediate comment is that all of the material you have added about her time in office as Secretary of State and as Director of OSMRE is from one source, the Wyoming Historical Society bio that you mention. There's nothing wrong with that source, but it's always a good idea to bring some other sources in as well. Wasted Time R ( talk) 13:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
So for example:
That's just one area that I looked at, but it shows the value of looking for additional sources. Wasted Time R ( talk) 15:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Okay, here are points about the article as a whole:
The lede needs to be reworked a bit. A mention that she was Director of the Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement should be in first sentence or paragraph, while the current first paragraph's mentions that she served as a congressional staffer, campaign manager, and assistant attorney general can be moved into (and coalesced with) what's in the second paragraph.
a Democratic presidential candidate – I think "a" should be "the", since Adlai was not just any candidate but the party's two-time nominee.
Thomas, a coal miner, worked for the Union Pacific Railroad on a nearby mine from Rock Springs to Superior. – Did the mine stretch from Rock Springs to Superior? Or that branch of the railroad? Not clear to me.
It might be worth saying that Rock Springs and Rawlins are about 100 miles apart, to give readers an idea of what these moves back and forth entailed.
Rawlins High School should be linked, but the partial link inside Rawlins Daily Times should be removed.
One month later, she protested the Vietnam War at a march in Washington, D.C., – a more specific link for this is Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam#Second Moratorium.
During the 1988 presidential election, Karpan endorsed Tennessee Senator Al Gore for the Democratic presidential nomination. – This would be better as one link to 1988 Democratic Party presidential primaries, as is done for 1992 in the next sentence, rather than two split links as done now.
Karpan accused staffers for her Republican opponent ... – I saw that you trimmed this somewhat, but I still have the feeling that this rumors/apology matter is given too much weight here. If you look for Wyoming and Montana newspapers writing recap stories in the days following the election, do any of them mention this as a factor in the outcome?
She battled Republican efforts to label her as a "national Democrat" or "Clinton Democrat" in favor of gun control – I think the "in favor of gun control" portion of this can be dropped. This was a labeling battle being fought over all issues, not just this one.
The poll also showed that she had name recognition among 92% of people and was viewed by 81% of people – these are better written out as "percent", per MOS:PERCENT.
Based on her early career, some categories could be added: Category:American women journalists, Category:Journalists from Wyoming, Category:United States congressional aides. Maybe also Category:American campaign managers.
Regarding cite formatting, fn 51 and 52 are missing the 'via Newspapers.com' credit and fn 30 has an error in the publisher link.
Anyway, those are my review comments, nothing really major at this point. Wasted Time R ( talk) 15:24, 6 March 2021 (UTC)
Kathy Karpan has been listed as one of the
Social sciences and society good articles under the
good article criteria. If you can improve it further,
please do so. If it no longer meets these criteria, you can
reassess it. Review: March 7, 2021. ( Reviewed version). |
This article must adhere to the biographies of living persons (BLP) policy, even if it is not a biography, because it contains material about living persons. Contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced must be removed immediately from the article and its talk page, especially if potentially libellous. If such material is repeatedly inserted, or if you have other concerns, please report the issue to this noticeboard.If you are a subject of this article, or acting on behalf of one, and you need help, please see this help page. |
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A fact from Kathy Karpan appeared on Wikipedia's
Main Page in the
Did you know column on 20 October 2020 (
check views). The text of the entry was as follows:
|
The result was: promoted by
Cwmhiraeth (
talk)
06:12, 11 October 2020 (UTC)
5x expanded by Jon698 ( talk). Self-nominated at 15:25, 27 September 2020 (UTC).
General: Article is new enough and long enough |
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Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems |
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Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation |
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QPQ: Done. |
Overall: Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:30, 28 September 2020 (UTC)
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Reviewing |
Reviewer: Edge3 ( talk · contribs) 21:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
Hi! I'm happy to review the article. My feedback will be posted shortly. Edge3 ( talk) 21:30, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
I have an extra comment. It might be helpful to add extra content about her early life and also her legal career post-politics. I found this source that is quite detailed: https://www.wyohistory.org/encyclopedia/kathy-karpan-life-law-and-politics Edge3 ( talk) 23:16, 17 January 2021 (UTC)
My first reaction after reading the article is I think it is lacking with respect to a couple of items re 3a broad coverage. In particular, while there is a description of her two campaigns for the secretary of state position, there is nothing said at all about what she did in that position for the eight years she held it. What actions did she take, what achievements did she have, what disputes did she get embroiled in, etc. Similarly, she was director of the Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement for almost three years. What happened during her tenure there? That's an inherently controversial area that involves competing interests of mining companies, laborers, environmentalists, westerners versus federal bureaucrats, etc etc. Surely something went on during her time in that position. The article has a lot of coverage of whom she endorsed for what, but far more important is what she did when she herself held office. Wasted Time R ( talk) 13:11, 19 February 2021 (UTC)
@ Edge3: The article is definitely getting there, but I think the sectioning now needs some attention. The "Early life" section is now too long compared to the others and takes her to age 44, which is not exactly 'early'. I would break it after she gets her undergraduate degree in 1964. The new section could be called "Early career" or something like that. Next, having a section called "Political career" that just includes her statewide campaigns and elected office held doesn't make sense to me, because was heavily involved in politics both before that and after that. You could simply make "Secretary of State" and "Gubernatorial and senatorial campaigns" top-level sections and dispense with "Political career". Next, her time as Director of the Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement should be its own section, not folded into "Later life", since it's a major position with its own spot in the infobox. I think her time as Principal Assistant Secretary of the Interior for Lands and Minerals Management can be included in that new section as well, since it was still in the Department of the Interior. Then after that, you can begin the "Later life" section.
My other immediate comment is that all of the material you have added about her time in office as Secretary of State and as Director of OSMRE is from one source, the Wyoming Historical Society bio that you mention. There's nothing wrong with that source, but it's always a good idea to bring some other sources in as well. Wasted Time R ( talk) 13:22, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
So for example:
That's just one area that I looked at, but it shows the value of looking for additional sources. Wasted Time R ( talk) 15:16, 28 February 2021 (UTC)
Okay, here are points about the article as a whole:
The lede needs to be reworked a bit. A mention that she was Director of the Office of Surface Mining Reclamation and Enforcement should be in first sentence or paragraph, while the current first paragraph's mentions that she served as a congressional staffer, campaign manager, and assistant attorney general can be moved into (and coalesced with) what's in the second paragraph.
a Democratic presidential candidate – I think "a" should be "the", since Adlai was not just any candidate but the party's two-time nominee.
Thomas, a coal miner, worked for the Union Pacific Railroad on a nearby mine from Rock Springs to Superior. – Did the mine stretch from Rock Springs to Superior? Or that branch of the railroad? Not clear to me.
It might be worth saying that Rock Springs and Rawlins are about 100 miles apart, to give readers an idea of what these moves back and forth entailed.
Rawlins High School should be linked, but the partial link inside Rawlins Daily Times should be removed.
One month later, she protested the Vietnam War at a march in Washington, D.C., – a more specific link for this is Moratorium to End the War in Vietnam#Second Moratorium.
During the 1988 presidential election, Karpan endorsed Tennessee Senator Al Gore for the Democratic presidential nomination. – This would be better as one link to 1988 Democratic Party presidential primaries, as is done for 1992 in the next sentence, rather than two split links as done now.
Karpan accused staffers for her Republican opponent ... – I saw that you trimmed this somewhat, but I still have the feeling that this rumors/apology matter is given too much weight here. If you look for Wyoming and Montana newspapers writing recap stories in the days following the election, do any of them mention this as a factor in the outcome?
She battled Republican efforts to label her as a "national Democrat" or "Clinton Democrat" in favor of gun control – I think the "in favor of gun control" portion of this can be dropped. This was a labeling battle being fought over all issues, not just this one.
The poll also showed that she had name recognition among 92% of people and was viewed by 81% of people – these are better written out as "percent", per MOS:PERCENT.
Based on her early career, some categories could be added: Category:American women journalists, Category:Journalists from Wyoming, Category:United States congressional aides. Maybe also Category:American campaign managers.
Regarding cite formatting, fn 51 and 52 are missing the 'via Newspapers.com' credit and fn 30 has an error in the publisher link.
Anyway, those are my review comments, nothing really major at this point. Wasted Time R ( talk) 15:24, 6 March 2021 (UTC)